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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:26:33 PM EDT
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Nice, any examples of work done so far?
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:42:48 PM EDT
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Would potentially be interested if they do good work for a reasonable fee.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:45:01 PM EDT
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I have so black hardcoat anodize for now, I will work on the grey, I will try to get cost very very decent compaired to some price I have seen.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:56:31 PM EDT
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I'm confused. You are getting an FFL and you are going to start doing anodizing?.....or you are trying to get a local place to do it? Do they have an FFL, otherwise I don't think they can do lowers, unless they allowed you to stay on the premises the whole time the lowers were being anodized.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:15:23 PM EDT
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I'm confused. You are getting an FFL and you are going to start doing anodizing?.....or you are trying to get a local place to do it? Do they have an FFL, otherwise I don't think they can do lowers, unless they allowed you to stay on the premises the whole time the lowers were being anodized. Also, is this type II or type III anodizing? Stoner25mkiv is correct... the person/company actually performing the finish work (on lower receivers or firearms) does not have to have a manufacturer's license (07 FFL), but they must be a type 01 FFL holder (dealer/gunsmith). BATF reference: https://www.atf.gov/file/55461/download John Thomas |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:26:44 PM EDT
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im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:15:28 AM EDT
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im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option So you are doing the anodizing? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 1:56:55 AM EDT
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im working on getting a local place getting parts anodized in colt early grey, I would like to see if there is enough interest, im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option.im am going to concentrate on the early grey for the retro community. I remember talking to you on the phone about this over a month ago, what are you waiting for on your FFL? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:01:41 AM EDT
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I remember talking to you on the phone about this over a month ago, what are you waiting for on your FFL? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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im working on getting a local place getting parts anodized in colt early grey, I would like to see if there is enough interest, im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option.im am going to concentrate on the early grey for the retro community. I remember talking to you on the phone about this over a month ago, what are you waiting for on your FFL? Location and $ |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:10:14 AM EDT
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Stoner25mkiv is correct... the person/company actually performing the finish work (on lower receivers or firearms) does not have to have a manufacturer's license (07 FFL), but they must be a type 01 FFL holder (dealer/gunsmith). BATF reference: https://www.atf.gov/file/55461/download John Thomas Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm confused. You are getting an FFL and you are going to start doing anodizing?.....or you are trying to get a local place to do it? Do they have an FFL, otherwise I don't think they can do lowers, unless they allowed you to stay on the premises the whole time the lowers were being anodized. Also, is this type II or type III anodizing? Stoner25mkiv is correct... the person/company actually performing the finish work (on lower receivers or firearms) does not have to have a manufacturer's license (07 FFL), but they must be a type 01 FFL holder (dealer/gunsmith). BATF reference: https://www.atf.gov/file/55461/download John Thomas They changed it back to an 01 license in 2009 after the industry yelled at them. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:22:07 AM EDT
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I want new anodizer I'm up for it
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:26:19 AM EDT
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Killer... I don't have any current projects but I'm interested. Once I get this move done I can start working on conning JT into helping me with my 703 clone and I can use you for the anodizing!
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:37:15 AM EDT
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im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option I'm still confused. Are you suggesting that YOU are going to do anodizing, OR, are you trying to get a local business to do anodizing FOR you? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:45:50 AM EDT
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I'm still confused. Are you suggesting that YOU are going to do anodizing, OR, are you trying to get a local business to do anodizing FOR you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option I'm still confused. Are you suggesting that YOU are going to do anodizing, OR, are you trying to get a local business to do anodizing FOR you? Non ffl yeah then I'm gonna give it a shot when I get everything lined up. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 8:48:32 AM EDT
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Killer... I don't have any current projects but I'm interested. Once I get this move done I can start working on conning JT into helping me with my 703 clone and I can use you for the anodizing! Does jt anodize? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 9:10:47 AM EDT
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Killer... I don't have any current projects but I'm interested. Once I get this move done I can start working on conning JT into helping me with my 703 clone and I can use you for the anodizing! Does jt anodize? He doesn't anymore but used to when he lived in the Big Easy and he had an XM Gray down pat in my opinion. I used to send him black mag buttons and trigger gaurds to anodize so I could resell them and nobody ever complained. Your gonna have to talk to him about the whole ordeal. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 9:23:11 AM EDT
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He doesn't anymore but used to when he lived in the Big Easy and he had an XM Gray down pat in my opinion. I used to send him black mag buttons and trigger gaurds to anodize so I could resell them and nobody ever complained. Your gonna have to talk to him about the whole ordeal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Killer... I don't have any current projects but I'm interested. Once I get this move done I can start working on conning JT into helping me with my 703 clone and I can use you for the anodizing! Does jt anodize? He doesn't anymore but used to when he lived in the Big Easy and he had an XM Gray down pat in my opinion. I used to send him black mag buttons and trigger gaurds to anodize so I could resell them and nobody ever complained. Your gonna have to talk to him about the whole ordeal. yeah I heard its a tough color to dye in. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 2:44:02 PM EDT
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I have a few uppers & lowers that's ready for anodizing. But price MUST be reasonable.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 4:27:38 PM EDT
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I believe that Jt used to do type II anodizing. US Ano does both type II and III. I'm not sure what it would take, money-wise, to get set up for type III..........but I for one would gladly pay a premium to get type III
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Posted: 5/23/2015 11:42:47 PM EDT
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im working on getting a local place getting parts anodized in colt early grey, I would like to see if there is enough interest, im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option.im am going to concentrate on the early grey for the retro community. I remember talking to you on the phone about this over a month ago, what are you waiting for on your FFL? Location and $ so this is just a dream right now ?? seeing how you have to have a location address before you can even apply ask me how I know..... 10 weeks start to finish to get my 07...paying rent for a place and not using it for almost 3 months sucks |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 12:16:24 AM EDT
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I am still confused.
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Posted: 5/24/2015 4:42:38 PM EDT
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so this is just a dream right now ?? seeing how you have to have a location address before you can even apply ask me how I know..... 10 weeks start to finish to get my 07...paying rent for a place and not using it for almost 3 months sucks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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im working on getting a local place getting parts anodized in colt early grey, I would like to see if there is enough interest, im working on getting my ffl, so lowers may be an option.im am going to concentrate on the early grey for the retro community. I remember talking to you on the phone about this over a month ago, what are you waiting for on your FFL? Location and $ so this is just a dream right now ?? seeing how you have to have a location address before you can even apply ask me how I know..... 10 weeks start to finish to get my 07...paying rent for a place and not using it for almost 3 months sucks You used to be able to get a 01 FFL and do business from your house. I know a few older local guys with 01 FFLs that sell from their house.. Or at least used to, I haven't done business with them in over 5-6 years. |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 5:59:43 PM EDT
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You used to be able to get a 01 FFL and do business from your house. I know a few older local guys with 01 FFLs that sell from their house.. Or at least used to, I haven't done business with them in over 5-6 years. Your FFL location (now) has to be zoned for conducting business. It didn't used to be that way (maybe back in the late 90s... I can't remember exactly when they cracked down). The ATF agent who performed my inspection checked with my City Hall, to confirm that my location was properly zoned. So, they do check that. John Thomas |
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Posted: 5/24/2015 11:49:09 PM EDT
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Your FFL location (now) has to be zoned for conducting business. It didn't used to be that way (maybe back in the late 90s... I can't remember exactly when they cracked down). The ATF agent who performed my inspection checked with my City Hall, to confirm that my location was properly zoned. So, they do check that. John Thomas Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You used to be able to get a 01 FFL and do business from your house. I know a few older local guys with 01 FFLs that sell from their house.. Or at least used to, I haven't done business with them in over 5-6 years. Your FFL location (now) has to be zoned for conducting business. It didn't used to be that way (maybe back in the late 90s... I can't remember exactly when they cracked down). The ATF agent who performed my inspection checked with my City Hall, to confirm that my location was properly zoned. So, they do check that. John Thomas they also check with the HOA to see if they allow that type of business. some guy raised a stink b/c HOA did not allow him to operate a firearm business out of his home so that killed the FFL application before it even started. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 12:53:29 AM EDT
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I asked the Investigator who did my FFL interview, for an 07 you should be zoned commercial or industrial, if your zoned rural or agricultural area, it will probably pass .
Now for an 01 the key words being....as long as " foot traffic is minimal " and it doesn't violate any HOA, City or County ordinances about running a home based business, but he said they really look into home based FFL's , meaning , more scrutiny ....he doubted if you're zoned residential it would go, but he said he'd seen some that were zoned low density residential ( homes with acreage ) make it. so if your neighbors are within a baseball toss, it's probably not gonna fly, and if you think a detached garage will cut it, your a gambling man......personally I wouldn't wast the $ 150 app fee to find out, they cash you check before starting the background check and its non refundable. its really a double edged sword you have to have the location before you can apply, because one of the first question is location address, don't think you can use a warehouse address then move it to your home, because a move means the app process starts all over again and includes another interview. good luck so back to the grey anodize question ...is this a pipe dream or is this gonna happen |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 5:22:48 AM EDT
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I asked the Investigator who did my FFL interview, for an 07 you should be zoned commercial or industrial, if your zoned rural or agricultural area, it will probably pass . Now for an 01 the key words being....as long as " foot traffic is minimal " and it doesn't violate any HOA, City or County ordinances about running a home based business, but he said they really look into home based FFL's , meaning , more scrutiny ....he doubted if you're zoned residential it would go, but he said he'd seen some that were zoned low density residential ( homes with acreage ) make it. so if your neighbors are within a baseball toss, it's probably not gonna fly, and if you think a detached garage will cut it, your a gambling man......personally I wouldn't wast the $ 150 app fee to find out, they cash you check before starting the background check and its non refundable. its really a double edged sword you have to have the location before you can apply, because one of the first question is location address, don't think you can use a warehouse address then move it to your home, because a move means the app process starts all over again and includes another interview. good luck so back to the grey anodize question ...is this a pipe dream or is this gonna happen He has an anodizing source, it's type II but it's cheap. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 9:47:29 AM EDT
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they also check with the HOA to see if they allow that type of business. some guy raised a stink b/c HOA did not allow him to operate a firearm business out of his home so that killed the FFL application before it even started. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You used to be able to get a 01 FFL and do business from your house. I know a few older local guys with 01 FFLs that sell from their house.. Or at least used to, I haven't done business with them in over 5-6 years. Your FFL location (now) has to be zoned for conducting business. It didn't used to be that way (maybe back in the late 90s... I can't remember exactly when they cracked down). The ATF agent who performed my inspection checked with my City Hall, to confirm that my location was properly zoned. So, they do check that. John Thomas they also check with the HOA to see if they allow that type of business. some guy raised a stink b/c HOA did not allow him to operate a firearm business out of his home so that killed the FFL application before it even started. I had to give up my 01 when I moved into a HOA..it is California so take that into account. No problem with a 03 tho... |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:22:43 AM EDT
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He has an anodizing source, it's type II but it's cheap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I asked the Investigator who did my FFL interview, for an 07 you should be zoned commercial or industrial, if your zoned rural or agricultural area, it will probably pass . Now for an 01 the key words being....as long as " foot traffic is minimal " and it doesn't violate any HOA, City or County ordinances about running a home based business, but he said they really look into home based FFL's , meaning , more scrutiny ....he doubted if you're zoned residential it would go, but he said he'd seen some that were zoned low density residential ( homes with acreage ) make it. so if your neighbors are within a baseball toss, it's probably not gonna fly, and if you think a detached garage will cut it, your a gambling man......personally I wouldn't wast the $ 150 app fee to find out, they cash you check before starting the background check and its non refundable. its really a double edged sword you have to have the location before you can apply, because one of the first question is location address, don't think you can use a warehouse address then move it to your home, because a move means the app process starts all over again and includes another interview. good luck so back to the grey anodize question ...is this a pipe dream or is this gonna happen He has an anodizing source, it's type II but it's cheap. I'm still confused. You're saying he has a source to do anodizing. At least that is what I'm hearing based on what you just said. Hkiller getting an FFL doesn't have much to do with another company doing anodizing. He can't receive a lower, from let's say, you, and then pass it on to this "source" to be anodized.......unless they have an FFL.........or am I more confused than what I think I am? |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:38:05 AM EDT
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i'm fairly sure if a ffl drops it off and picks it up the ffl doesn't have to be there,and the worker doesn't need a license (except NFA items).
that's the way it is here, i drop a lower off for engrave or ano, they call me, i go get it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 10:53:32 AM EDT
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i'm fairly sure if a ffl drops it off and picks it up the ffl doesn't have to be there,and the worker doesn't need a license (except NFA items). that's the way it is here, i drop a lower off for engrave or ano, they call me, i go get it. I'm just trying to avoid confusion/misinformation. Please look at the BATF's link below. Read the last sentence of the first paragraph. https://www.atf.gov/file/55461/download "Any person who is engaged in the business of camouflaging or engraving firearms as described in this ruling must be licensed as a dealer, which includes a gunsmith, under the Gun Control Act." John Thomas |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 11:02:36 AM EDT
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I'm still confused. You're saying he has a source to do anodizing. At least that is what I'm hearing based on what you just said. Hkiller getting an FFL doesn't have much to do with another company doing anodizing. He can't receive a lower, from let's say, you, and then pass it on to this "source" to be anodized.......unless they have an FFL.........or am I more confused than what I think I am? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I asked the Investigator who did my FFL interview, for an 07 you should be zoned commercial or industrial, if your zoned rural or agricultural area, it will probably pass . Now for an 01 the key words being....as long as " foot traffic is minimal " and it doesn't violate any HOA, City or County ordinances about running a home based business, but he said they really look into home based FFL's , meaning , more scrutiny ....he doubted if you're zoned residential it would go, but he said he'd seen some that were zoned low density residential ( homes with acreage ) make it. so if your neighbors are within a baseball toss, it's probably not gonna fly, and if you think a detached garage will cut it, your a gambling man......personally I wouldn't wast the $ 150 app fee to find out, they cash you check before starting the background check and its non refundable. its really a double edged sword you have to have the location before you can apply, because one of the first question is location address, don't think you can use a warehouse address then move it to your home, because a move means the app process starts all over again and includes another interview. good luck so back to the grey anodize question ...is this a pipe dream or is this gonna happen He has an anodizing source, it's type II but it's cheap. I'm still confused. You're saying he has a source to do anodizing. At least that is what I'm hearing based on what you just said. Hkiller getting an FFL doesn't have much to do with another company doing anodizing. He can't receive a lower, from let's say, you, and then pass it on to this "source" to be anodized.......unless they have an FFL.........or am I more confused than what I think I am? No, your not confused. Your right on the money... |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 11:44:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just trying to avoid confusion/misinformation. Please look at the BATF's link below. Read the last sentence of the first paragraph. https://www.atf.gov/file/55461/download "Any person who is engaged in the business of camouflaging or engraving firearms as described in this ruling must be licensed as a dealer, which includes a gunsmith, under the Gun Control Act." John Thomas Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i'm fairly sure if a ffl drops it off and picks it up the ffl doesn't have to be there,and the worker doesn't need a license (except NFA items). that's the way it is here, i drop a lower off for engrave or ano, they call me, i go get it. I'm just trying to avoid confusion/misinformation. Please look at the BATF's link below. Read the last sentence of the first paragraph. https://www.atf.gov/file/55461/download "Any person who is engaged in the business of camouflaging or engraving firearms as described in this ruling must be licensed as a dealer, which includes a gunsmith, under the Gun Control Act." John Thomas my locals just don't know any better, neither did I. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 12:52:24 PM EDT
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It is hard coat anodize 3, Im working on getting my ffl. But being I may move to the country I my set up shop out there. Still in the very early stages. Like I said in my first post lowers may be a possible. All other parts are fair game.m
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Posted: 5/26/2015 5:49:13 PM EDT
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OK boys and girls, time for an Industry history lesson.
Prior to 2007 many big firearms companies were using non-FFL companies for subcontract work. This included machining, heat treat, and finishing. ATF got wind of it and passed a ruling that EVERYONE involved in this type of work had to have an 07 Manufacturing license. AND, everyone had to get a "shall not mark" variance in order to get the subcontractor exempted from adding their manufacturing info to the parts. If you didn't get the variances everyone that participated in the manufacturing process had to add their companies info to the part. (think tattooed lady) 
Or you had to stay with the parts and maintain "possession and control". What ATF didn't understand is that they were exponentially increasing their workload because now everyone was sending in Variance requests in order to become "compliant" with the regulations. I went to the conference in DC in May of 2009 that ATF hosted in order to get input from the industry on how to alleviate the log jam. (there was only one gal processing the requests) 
The rule change in 2009 made it a requirement that all subcontractors had to have at least an 01 to finish parts or do heat treat, etc. The nice thing now is we only have to send in a "notification" to ATF of an additional manufacturing process for finishing, heat treat, etc. Not ask permission. If you do actual machining for another company you still have to get a primary manufacturing variance and have an 07 license. |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 7:37:12 PM EDT
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Posts like this ^ are a big reason why I love Nodak, outside of their work being top notch they actually participate!
Thanks for the info Mike 
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Posted: 5/26/2015 10:35:26 PM EDT
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i got sidetracked at tattooed lady and couldn't focus.
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Posted: 5/27/2015 11:29:17 PM EDT
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so would you mind passing on the source, or seeing if they have an FFL, and reply back, since this would be 3-4 months before anything happens waiting on you to obtain an FFL ??
to me sounds like a huge hassle to get in the position of middle man unless you are getting the anodizing done cheap enough to make sense ?? |
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