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Posted: 5/16/2015 5:39:26 PM EDT
Ok not that AAA but Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol.

From what I have read, AAA bought the rights to build the Leader Dynamics T2 MkV and moved production to Tasmania.

It would appear that not to many of these made it to the states before production was stopped.

I think I might SBR this one as a complement to my AR-180B Shorty.

What do you guys know about these and please feel free to post pictures of your Leader/AAA guns.















Looks like AR15 fire control group unlike the Leader. I'll look into that later.



No carry handle like the Leader.







The dovetail where I butt stock would reside is missing so an adapter of some sort would have to be fasioned to SBR it.



The only problem with the whole gun.

Link Posted: 5/16/2015 5:46:14 PM EDT
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Awesome, thanks for posting this.

How does it shoot?
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 5:52:38 PM EDT
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Reminds me of the AR16 rear sight

Awesome find Rix!
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 5:54:13 PM EDT
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That's hot rix! I almost picked up a leader dynamics today... $1800 but wasn't sure if it was a good price
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 6:01:08 PM EDT
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Be careful shooting it they eat extractors probably not many parts left for them if any at all...
I had to have the mfg send me a few extra when I had mine years ago...
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 6:23:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/16/2015 6:40:55 PM EDT
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Very nice.  
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 6:43:30 PM EDT
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What vintage are these? AAA that is. Guessing 80's ?

Forgot to add, Rix, you post some of the best non AR15 retros. Awesome.
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 7:33:30 PM EDT
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What vintage are these? AAA that is. Guessing 80's ?

Forgot to add, Rix, you post some of the best non AR15 retros. Awesome.
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According to this link

http://id.gun.fm/firearms.php?id=273

1986 to 1993 when the Assault Weapons Ban went into affect.

700 imported

They call it the "Tasmanian Devil"
Link Posted: 5/16/2015 7:47:58 PM EDT
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Now I just need to find a butt stock.

Link Posted: 5/16/2015 11:46:48 PM EDT
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Wait......Austrailia can haz gunz again??









<sighs> yeah yeah, I know ....it's just wishful thinking.


ETA: though it looks like you might be missing a C-clip on that bolt assembly? I Don't know...
Link Posted: 5/17/2015 12:06:13 AM EDT
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They only use one c clip because the charging handle surrounds the other guide rod.

I really like the fact that the entire bcg/guide rod/return spring system is self contained.

Makes it much easier to field strip.
Link Posted: 5/17/2015 12:33:13 AM EDT
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Rick - thanks for posting these pics - I've never seen the pistol version except in pics, just the carbine version. Frankly, I haven't heard much good about them, but they were never developed the way the AR15 was, which as we know had it's share of teething problems. It's a fascinating design, and the dual recoil bars always seemed like genius to me. A beautifully compact package. You lucky bastard - great find!
Link Posted: 5/17/2015 7:08:09 AM EDT
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Now I just need to find a butt stock.

http://pics.usedguns.com.au/pics/050571-2013-09-23_09-02-35-AM.jpg
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A piece of delrin some time on the band saw and mill you could make one up or a VZ58 folder...
Or make up a wood folder and a set of wood hand guards that would look cool...
AAA pistols beg to be turned into a SBR...
Have fun with your project...
Link Posted: 5/17/2015 7:38:23 AM EDT
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Love the importer roll mark. California Armory, San Bruno California. Oh the irony.
Link Posted: 5/17/2015 8:45:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/21/2015 3:09:58 PM EDT
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Just saw one in the EE (not mine).

Pretty cool OP; thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 5/21/2015 5:58:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/21/2015 9:32:28 PM EDT
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+1
Link Posted: 5/21/2015 9:41:09 PM EDT
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Just saw one in the EE (not mine).

Pretty cool OP; thanks for sharing.
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Where, i can't find it?
Link Posted: 5/22/2015 1:49:06 AM EDT
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Just saw one in the EE (not mine).

Pretty cool OP; thanks for sharing.


Where, i can't find it?


Totally bitchin' and about as complete a package as you will find.

Somebody buy it quick before I do.

Hot
Link Posted: 5/24/2015 11:34:31 AM EDT
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Daydreaming while surrounded by gun parts can sometimes lead to unexpected results.

This time i noticed the lower off my Vulcan V18 sitting on the shelf and an idea popped into my head.





If I make a new part to attach to the receiver I think I can make this work.

Only hitch in my plan is the locking mechanism was missing when I bought it. I have no idea what pos buttstock Vulcan used and adapted to that gun.

Any idea what this was originally made to fit?







Link Posted: 5/24/2015 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Very nice addition to your collection.

Thanks for sharing the pics.


Link Posted: 5/24/2015 12:10:11 PM EDT
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Daydreaming while surrounded by gun parts can sometimes lead to unexpected results.

This time i noticed the lower off my Vulcan V18 sitting on the shelf and an idea popped into my head.

<a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/67F7BC8F-D49F-411F-BCBA-045ABBFA0BDE_zpsc4w4ap3p.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/67F7BC8F-D49F-411F-BCBA-045ABBFA0BDE_zpsc4w4ap3p.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/0004E447-2477-4FDD-A7A8-3097A6CB82C1_zps7glxldea.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/0004E447-2477-4FDD-A7A8-3097A6CB82C1_zps7glxldea.jpg</a>

If I make a new part to attach to the receiver I think I can make this work.

Only hitch in my plan is the locking mechanism was missing when I bought it. I have no idea what pos buttstock Vulcan used and adapted to that gun.

Any idea what this was originally made to fit?

<a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/DCEFECD5-01B9-4620-8DE0-19D994755030_zpsagn1wlfa.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/DCEFECD5-01B9-4620-8DE0-19D994755030_zpsagn1wlfa.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s576.photobucket.com/user/BigRix/media/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/63F565EF-5779-4787-A469-8189A5EDE6A1_zpsyjxvyqac.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss208/BigRix/Leader%20Dynamics%20Pistol/63F565EF-5779-4787-A469-8189A5EDE6A1_zpsyjxvyqac.jpg</a>



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Looks like G36 to me. The Pakistani clones are much cheaper than real HK parts and not bad from what I understand.
Link Posted: 5/24/2015 2:34:01 PM EDT
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Thanks Morg, that was enough to put some more pieces of the puzzle in place.

It is a Blackthorne folder that they made for different HK models. It folds to the left instead of the right like the originals.

Makes sense since Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne are all the same company.

It doesn't look like they sell them separately but I will call next week and find out for sure.

HK locking parts are available I just need to get some measurements from them to see if the sizes match or if Blackthorne did not make it to spec.



Anyone got an HK folder and can measure the hole where the lock button goes?

Mine measures about 1.150"

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