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Posted: 5/6/2015 11:40:57 PM EDT
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Yep, you are on the right track. Nice early barrel and early bend gas tube! NDS partial fence is perfect. You need a chrome BCG with forward assist notches. Originals are VERY scarce and VERY expensive. You can use a chrome BCG from Fulton Armory, I got an AIM NiB (Nickel Boron) BCG that is hard to tell from chrome, for $100 for the complete BCG.
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Posted: 5/7/2015 1:00:40 AM EDT
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Yep, you are on the right track. Nice early barrel and early bend gas tube! NDS partial fence is perfect. You need a chrome BCG with forward assist notches. Originals are VERY scarce and VERY expensive. You can use a chrome BCG from Fulton Armory, I got an AIM NiB (Nickel Boron) BCG that is hard to tell from chrome, for $100 for the complete BCG. In 1966 the Army would have been in transition to the MP parked BCG, so if he can get a MP Parked BCG and use a chrome bolt, and 3/4 gas key, it would be perfect. Reason the Chrome XM16E1 Chrome BCG's are very hard to find is because they litterally were used for 18 months give or take. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 1:08:04 AM EDT
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To me, one of the coolest things about the XM16E1, and what sets it apart, is the chrome BCG, so I'd recommend a Young's mfg chrome BCG. I mean, you're building a clone...original parts are becoming harder and harder to find. I'm holding onto a beatup XM16E1 upper receiver for just that reason - early Xm177 clone.
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Posted: 5/7/2015 2:16:46 AM EDT
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Looks like a square forged upper which was used until mid '66 if I remember correctly. The MP marked barrel was put into use "by 1966", that's where I'm getting early '66. I know the parked bolt carrier assemblies were approved in June of '65. Would it be a big stretch to call it a late '65 build? I do like the look of chrome bolt carriers but the option to go with parked is nice too. Guess I need to track down an Edgewater buffer, xm receiver extention and the proper charging handle.
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Posted: 5/7/2015 2:37:59 AM EDT
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Looks like a square forged upper which was used until mid '66 if I remember correctly. The MP marked barrel was put into use "by 1966", that's where I'm getting early '66. I know the parked bolt carrier assemblies were approved in June of '65. Would it be a big stretch to call it a late '65 build? I do like the look of chrome bolt carriers but the option to go with parked is nice too. Guess I need to track down an Edgewater buffer, xm receiver extention and the proper charging handle. Forge FSB M VP 12 barrels were used on late 1964 -1965 builds. Go with a mix of Chrome/parked on the BCG if you wanna do period correct. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 3:50:26 AM EDT
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Forge FSB M VP 12 barrels were used on late 1964 -1965 builds. Go with a mix of Chrome/parked on the BCG if you wanna do period correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like a square forged upper which was used until mid '66 if I remember correctly. The MP marked barrel was put into use "by 1966", that's where I'm getting early '66. I know the parked bolt carrier assemblies were approved in June of '65. Would it be a big stretch to call it a late '65 build? I do like the look of chrome bolt carriers but the option to go with parked is nice too. Guess I need to track down an Edgewater buffer, xm receiver extention and the proper charging handle. Forge FSB M VP 12 barrels were used on late 1964 -1965 builds. Go with a mix of Chrome/parked on the BCG if you wanna do period correct. That's an MP 12 barrel, looks like a round forge also. That would date it to 1966-1968 according to Ekie's guide. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 4:28:19 AM EDT
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That's an MP 12 barrel, looks like a round forge also. That would date it to 1966-1968 according to Ekie's guide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looks like a square forged upper which was used until mid '66 if I remember correctly. The MP marked barrel was put into use "by 1966", that's where I'm getting early '66. I know the parked bolt carrier assemblies were approved in June of '65. Would it be a big stretch to call it a late '65 build? I do like the look of chrome bolt carriers but the option to go with parked is nice too. Guess I need to track down an Edgewater buffer, xm receiver extention and the proper charging handle. Forge FSB M VP 12 barrels were used on late 1964 -1965 builds. Go with a mix of Chrome/parked on the BCG if you wanna do period correct. That's an MP 12 barrel, looks like a round forge also. That would date it to 1966-1968 according to Ekie's guide. 1966-1967, I have a 1968 SP1 with a MP C barrel, and the A1 changes went into effect in 1968 and a chrome lined chamber was on the list of upgrades, along with a forward assist on all Army and USMC M16A1's. The MP C barrel, actually had a very short life span, as it was soon replaced by the C MP C barrel with Chrome Bore and Chamber. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 3:37:01 PM EDT
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Decided to go with this bolt.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1387348_Rare__M16E1_CHROME_PLATED_BCG_____.html It may not be 100% correct, but it will work for now. I've decided to build a likeness of the early '66 rifle pictured in the July 1966 FM 23-9. It has a chrome bcg. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 6:01:13 PM EDT
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Decided to go with this bolt. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1387348_Rare__M16E1_CHROME_PLATED_BCG_____.html It may not be 100% correct, but it will work for now. I've decided to build a likeness of the early '66 rifle pictured in the July 1966 FM 23-9. It has a chrome bcg. Oh no, not the hen's tooth! 
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Posted: 5/9/2015 6:05:49 PM EDT
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Decided to go with this bolt. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_159/1387348_Rare__M16E1_CHROME_PLATED_BCG_____.html It may not be 100% correct, but it will work for now. I've decided to build a likeness of the early '66 rifle pictured in the July 1966 FM 23-9. It has a chrome bcg. Oh no, not the hen's tooth! lol. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 8:23:43 PM EDT
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Does the hens tooth have a history here? Did I just make a newbie rook move?
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Posted: 5/9/2015 8:38:04 PM EDT
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Does the hens tooth have a history here? Did I just make a newbie rook move? Think about it. Hen's teeth? Do hens have teeth? No. The seller was just using a metaphor ("as scarce as hen's teeth") to say how hard these BCGs are to find. "Scarce as hen's teeth" Definition: Also, scarcer than hen's teeth. Exceptionally rare, as in On a rainy night, taxis are as scarce as hen's teeth. Since hens have no teeth, this term in effect says that something is so scarce as to be nonexistent. [Mid-1800s ] |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 9:16:37 PM EDT
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Familiar with the saying, just wondering if there was a question of the authenticity of the "hens tooth" chrome bcg.
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Posted: 5/9/2015 9:26:56 PM EDT
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Familiar with the saying, just wondering if there was a question of the authenticity of the "hens tooth" chrome bcg. The seller calls many Retro Items Hen's Teeth, when in fact they aren't. In this case, his saying is a bit more justifiable..... You did make a Small Rookie mistake and impulse purchased that BCG. With a little patience, and more research, you could have gotten another one just as nice or possibly nicer for less coin on Gunbroker. They ARE very Rare BCG's so be happy you own one, I am just weighing in as a 3rd party here with no motive whatsoever. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 9:38:56 PM EDT
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The seller calls many Retro Items Hen's Teeth, when in fact they aren't. In this case, his saying is a bit more justifiable..... You did make a Small Rookie mistake and impulse purchased that BCG. With a little patience, and more research, you could have gotten another one just as nice or possibly nicer for less coin on Gunbroker. They ARE very Rare BCG's so be happy you own one, I am just weighing in as a 3rd party here with no motive whatsoever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Familiar with the saying, just wondering if there was a question of the authenticity of the "hens tooth" chrome bcg. The seller calls many Retro Items Hen's Teeth, when in fact they aren't. In this case, his saying is a bit more justifiable..... You did make a Small Rookie mistake and impulse purchased that BCG. With a little patience, and more research, you could have gotten another one just as nice or possibly nicer for less coin on Gunbroker. They ARE very Rare BCG's so be happy you own one, I am just weighing in as a 3rd party here with no motive whatsoever. This. You paid a premium for it but the way retro parts are going it won't be long before it's worth what you gave. Those are the rarest and most expensive of the retro bolt carrier groups from what I understand. The guy had a late, refinished 604 upper that he called "the holy grail", it was worth $100-$150 and he had something like $300 on it IIRC. |
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Posted: 5/9/2015 9:56:05 PM EDT
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Understood. It cost me about what a RTI kit would have, and I'll likely see it sooner than the two kits I ordered two weeks ago.
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Posted: 5/9/2015 10:42:24 PM EDT
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Understood. It cost me about what a RTI kit would have, and I'll likely see it sooner than the two kits I ordered two weeks ago. You are running head first into this hobby. 
I have a feeling your project is going to impress. |
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Posted: 5/10/2015 1:29:08 AM EDT
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As rare as they are, that's likely about what they are really 'worth'. Very few real ones are out there, and that will only make them worth more with time. I spent years looking for mine, and never planned on selling it, but I really needed the coin for the book, and as little as I'm making right now, I couldn't justify NOT selling it. I've known the buyer a long time, and we were both happy with the deal - that's all that really matters in the long run. IMO there is not a rarer AR15/M16 BCG out there. The chrome 601/602s are common in comparison.
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Posted: 5/11/2015 11:02:19 PM EDT
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Found a red wine buffer so I think I'll go with that for this build. Going to sort of be an early '66 rifle circa '68 or '69 ish. Just need to find an early receiver extension.
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Posted: 5/12/2015 12:05:39 AM EDT
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Found a red wine buffer so I think I'll go with that for this build. Going to sort of be an early '66 rifle circa '68 or '69 ish. Just need to find an early receiver extension. Excellent. The perfect buffer IMO. Edgewaters are cool to look at, but the new design is really an improvement. The red wine buffer is perfect for what you are building. |
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Posted: 5/12/2015 12:26:44 AM EDT
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Here's my inspiration.
http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media-full/Mobile%20Uploads/20150509_130230.jpg.html http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media-full/Mobile%20Uploads/20150509_130115.jpg.html http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media-full/Mobile%20Uploads/20150509_130126.jpg.html |
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Posted: 5/12/2015 12:33:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2015 1:19:34 AM EDT
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Will work on pictures tomorrow.
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Posted: 5/12/2015 3:03:26 AM EDT
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Will work on pictures tomorrow. I wasn't sure if it was the pics or my phone. ETA: 2/3 ain't bad. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 4:44:39 PM EDT
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Here's my XM16E1 build so far. Waiting on a Nodak lower and need to find a SP1 LPK and early receiver extension. I will also eventually change out the early XM16E1 BCG for a transition BCG eventually.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/20150525_130156_1.jpg |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 6:48:54 PM EDT
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Here's my XM16E1 build so far. Waiting on a Nodak lower and need to find a SP1 LPK and early receiver extension. I will also eventually change out the early XM16E1 BCG for a transition BCG eventually.  Fixed it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 7:48:20 PM EDT
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Thanks!
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Posted: 5/26/2015 11:40:05 AM EDT
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I wouldn't change a thing, if you have the BLING, then show it off....
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Posted: 5/26/2015 12:07:31 PM EDT
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I wouldn't change a thing, if you have the BLING, then show it off.... I agree. Since you have the makings for an early XM16E1, stay with what you have. Mine is going to be a later version with the birdcage FH and phosphate BCG. |
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