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Posted: 9/16/2014 10:06:16 PM EDT

I have always liked the SOG/Mike Force/ SF use of the BAR belt during Vietnam.  I had a BAR belt many years ago and lost it like a doofus. But Over the last year I have spent a lot of time piecing it all back together with original stuff and some nice little neat items . the two cover repurposed as 30 round mag holders and grenade pouch were brought back from WW2 by my Dad's uncle who used them.















Link Posted: 9/16/2014 10:13:19 PM EDT
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Whats the specs on the sp1?
Link Posted: 9/16/2014 11:20:09 PM EDT
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I love retro swag. I started a thread with it a year or so back. Most of the guys here have some. I like your set up, including the Claymore. I almost bought a complete helment at the last show I was at. No clue what I would do with it other then take pictures.
Link Posted: 9/16/2014 11:43:57 PM EDT
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Is that a reproduction bar belt?
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 4:12:23 PM EDT
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Nice set up, come to think of it....water canteens I have the plastic and original aluminum ones, and also have one of that old school black pocket knife
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 5:50:49 PM EDT
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very nice, I love the directions on the claymore.
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 5:56:00 PM EDT
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I think it's cool what you're doing... but just a thought.  I don't think the availability of 30 rounders overlapped with the SP1/M16, and while I have seen 30 rounders in a canteen cover, I never saw it on the PAR belt only on ALICE.  You should totally go roll around in the grass and dirt to give it a more proken in look (if the BAR belt is a repro)
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 5:57:06 PM EDT
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Very nice!
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 7:58:01 PM EDT
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Nice swag but PLEASE get that BAR belt dirty!
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 9:53:36 PM EDT
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same as every other SP1..  what exactly are you asking?  when it was made?
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 9:59:45 PM EDT
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I think it's cool what you're doing... but just a thought.  I don't think the availability of 30 rounders overlapped with the SP1/M16, and while I have seen 30 rounders in a canteen cover, I never saw it on the PAR belt only on ALICE.  You should totally go roll around in the grass and dirt to give it a more proken in look (if the BAR belt is a repro)
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i have seen many canteen covers used with 30s  and grenades  on BAR belts in pictures from the time period



and I am absolutely not going to roll round in the dirt with it since its only function is to go with my collection of vietnam and WW2 era gear. that stuff is rare and expensive and i am not going to screw with it.    I have mountains of modern gear, plate carriers with ESAPIs Molle and all that shit.  the last thing I would do would be grab that up and run out to fight commies or NFL players.

for serious l use, I would use something actually up to date.     the stuff pictures would work just fine if pressed unto service I am sure. but its far from idea  or the best choice.


but for anyone who feels differently, by all means . if you get that stuff together, feel free to roll around in the mud with it .
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 10:01:01 PM EDT
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What pouch do you keep that pistol in?
Link Posted: 9/17/2014 10:17:27 PM EDT
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as I said above, I have a fairly large amount of Vietnam War militaria.  Dad was in the war and of course that spurred my interest and his desire to play with the stuff he  had in the war now in his old age when not being shot at


some of the more routine items issued to the regular guy







some vietnamese items my Vietnamese GF's parents brought over from VN and gave to me as a gift a couple of years ago








original pure mint set of ERDL  dated from the war. very , very hard to find in unissued condition




SP1 laying over a gold tiger shirt




misc





ARVN airborne BDQ shirt




colt commando with CAR15 upper and vintage colt 1911 over some gold tiger





Colt SP1 and SP1 carbine






SP1 and a Colt A1 upper on a Colt pre ban lower








pre 64 model 70  varmint weight target barrel and Unertl 8x and M40 with redfield USMC scope








my favorite PAVN.   with in correct AK




gear with some silver tiger















some of you should post some legacy gear pictures might be a neat thread

Link Posted: 9/17/2014 10:33:51 PM EDT
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Dads shirt and misc



SP1 with original still in box Colt 22 conversion kit




Link Posted: 9/18/2014 4:56:33 PM EDT
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Wow.  Very nice collection you have there.  The NVA stuff has got to be pretty frickin rare for someone to have over here.  Eh?  Oh and despite that this is Arfcom, I think my favorite are both of the bolt guns.  SAWEEEEEEEET!!!

Is the Winchester a .30-06?  You totally have a white feather there.  Dang.  I am in love.
Link Posted: 9/18/2014 5:35:06 PM EDT
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OP should move to a real state like WV.
Link Posted: 9/18/2014 5:37:26 PM EDT
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BUT he does have good taste in rifles and uniforms.
Link Posted: 9/19/2014 12:23:14 AM EDT
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you just had to go and kick me right in the feelings didn't you?
Link Posted: 9/19/2014 5:53:30 PM EDT
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You know i love you Shawn! Couldn't resist once I found you here too!
Link Posted: 9/20/2014 1:29:42 AM EDT
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Oh, man, the mismatched kits look so good...the only kit i managed to scrounge is a pretty much full "'new issue' M1967 loadout"....
Link Posted: 9/20/2014 3:06:45 AM EDT
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I for one am tired of you complaining about GETTING GREAT SHIT. Suck it up and deal dammit!

Seriously - you aren't mad are you? Where's de damn pics? I love the M1967 stuff. (I didn't sell you my last set of suspenders did I? Boy was that  dumb move... )
Link Posted: 9/20/2014 8:33:38 PM EDT
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My set of original Beau Gam duck hunter (it fits)



My web gear with my former 601 build.



Yours truly....

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now we are talking!!



oh yeah. its "beo gam"    is the spelling


I have never seen a set like yours before.   pretty nifty




hopefully some other will join in



Link Posted: 9/23/2014 11:58:53 PM EDT
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Working on a similar kit myself.  Was wondering how many 20rd. mags you can fit in each pocket?
Link Posted: 9/24/2014 6:56:23 PM EDT
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I just remember seeing guys when I was younger with that pattern.  Like you could go to Gander or Farm and fleet and get a jacket like that for duck hunting.  I think my brother in law had something made in this pattern.  I'll have to ask him.
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3 is what I stick in them, but  you can get 4 and even five if you fill them up and let them set in the pouches and stretch it a bit. like guys do with the SKS vests.

guys may poo poo the BAR belt. But I am telling you right now, it is handy.  obviously you cant hold 30s in each pouch. but it still is very handy in todays world if 20 round mags are not something you frown on.   sure its not light as modern nylon etc. but like most things older and out of style. it is still very effective
Link Posted: 9/26/2014 3:04:23 PM EDT
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yeah  Beo Gam ( duck hunter camo as it called in the US )  beogam is Viet for something like leopard spots   was a common commercial hunting pattern and popular for a long time.   there is a ton of commercial hunting clothes in that stuff still around.

if you are going to collect it or buy a set supposedly used in the war, you better be very careful and do some major studying on it.

it often turns up in goodwill stores
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3 is what I stick in them, but  you can get 4 and even five if you fill them up and let them set in the pouches and stretch it a bit. like guys do with the SKS vests.

guys may poo poo the BAR belt. But I am telling you right now, it is handy. obviously you cant hold 30s in each pouch. but it still is very handy in todays world if 20 round mags are not something you frown on.   sure its not light as modern nylon etc. but like most things older and out of style. it is still very effective
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3 is what I stick in them, but  you can get 4 and even five if you fill them up and let them set in the pouches and stretch it a bit. like guys do with the SKS vests.

guys may poo poo the BAR belt. But I am telling you right now, it is handy. obviously you cant hold 30s in each pouch. but it still is very handy in todays world if 20 round mags are not something you frown on.   sure its not light as modern nylon etc. but like most things older and out of style. it is still very effective



Sew a little extra fabric into the middle of the pocket flaps, like the Korean era M1 carbine pouches, and they'll fit just fine.
Link Posted: 9/26/2014 5:12:35 PM EDT
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My Beo Gam is an original "Kamo Brand" set.  IIRC, Ranger (Western Auto stores brand) and Kamo (Wards) were the two most common domestic made ones.  I believe it was patterned after USMC WW2 camo (Mitchell pattern?).  The top I got from a "rag shop" in Thailand off Ebay.  The pants I got from a Vietnam vet who was eight or ten years older than me, which is the right age (I was 18 in 1970).
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Not "Mitchell" http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00279.php *** http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00280.phpThe WWII stuff was usually called "frogskin" by the Marines http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00111.php
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yeah  Beo Gam ( duck hunter camo as it called in the US )  beogam is Viet for something like leopard spots   was a common commercial hunting pattern and popular for a long time.   there is a ton of commercial hunting clothes in that stuff still around.

if you are going to collect it or buy a set supposedly used in the war, you better be very careful and do some major studying on it.

it often turns up in goodwill stores
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I just remember seeing guys when I was younger with that pattern.  Like you could go to Gander or Farm and fleet and get a jacket like that for duck hunting.  I think my brother in law had something made in this pattern.  I'll have to ask him.




yeah  Beo Gam ( duck hunter camo as it called in the US )  beogam is Viet for something like leopard spots   was a common commercial hunting pattern and popular for a long time.   there is a ton of commercial hunting clothes in that stuff still around.

if you are going to collect it or buy a set supposedly used in the war, you better be very careful and do some major studying on it.

it often turns up in goodwill stores



Thanks for the heads up.  For some reason I haven't seen it in a long time.  Everything hunting seems to be realtree and that sort of a thing.  Which for some reason I can't stand the looks of.
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Not "Mitchell" http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00279.php The WWII stuff was usually called "frogskin" by the Marines http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00111.php
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My Beo Gam is an original "Kamo Brand" set.  IIRC, Ranger (Western Auto stores brand) and Kamo (Wards) were the two most common domestic made ones.  I believe it was patterned after USMC WW2 camo (Mitchell pattern?).  The top I got from a "rag shop" in Thailand off Ebay.  The pants I got from a Vietnam vet who was eight or ten years older than me, which is the right age (I was 18 in 1970).




Not "Mitchell" http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00279.php The WWII stuff was usually called "frogskin" by the Marines http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00111.php


This. The interesting part is, the Mitchell helmet cover's opposite side is 'frogskin'. Can't say I have ever seen pics of US troops using anything but the Mitchell cover however, despite the use of Duckhunter camo.
Link Posted: 9/26/2014 8:11:49 PM EDT
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I believe frogskin was the Army's and Mitchell was the Marines

USMC cano

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The Army's and Marine Corps WWII camouflage patterns were identical, the cut of the uniforms was very different.

The camo usually refered to as Mitchell was introduced during the Korean era.



My brain bucket M1, airborne personnel, one each, with "Mitchell" camo cover





So long as I'm posting my pots, my repro ARVN Biet Dong Quan helmet, painted by me, high school art class paid off for something. (please forgive the dusty lamp, I was working on a drywall project in the basement and didn't realize it was captured in the pics )
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This. The interesting part is, the Mitchell helmet cover's opposite side is 'frogskin'. Can't say I have ever seen pics of US troops using anything but the Mitchell cover however, despite the use of Duckhunter camo.
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My Beo Gam is an original "Kamo Brand" set.  IIRC, Ranger (Western Auto stores brand) and Kamo (Wards) were the two most common domestic made ones.  I believe it was patterned after USMC WW2 camo (Mitchell pattern?).  The top I got from a "rag shop" in Thailand off Ebay.  The pants I got from a Vietnam vet who was eight or ten years older than me, which is the right age (I was 18 in 1970).




Not "Mitchell" http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00279.php The WWII stuff was usually called "frogskin" by the Marines http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00111.php


This. The interesting part is, the Mitchell helmet cover's opposite side is 'frogskin'. Can't say I have ever seen pics of US troops using anything but the Mitchell cover however, despite the use of Duckhunter camo.






there are many pictures of US troops using a lot of different camo cover.


including.  OD green korean war era
cut up parachute material

ERDL helmet cover.

the old USMC type camo from WW2

BDQ

and some tiger stripe
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This. The interesting part is, the Mitchell helmet cover's opposite side is 'frogskin'. Can't say I have ever seen pics of US troops using anything but the Mitchell cover however, despite the use of Duckhunter camo.
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My Beo Gam is an original "Kamo Brand" set.  IIRC, Ranger (Western Auto stores brand) and Kamo (Wards) were the two most common domestic made ones.  I believe it was patterned after USMC WW2 camo (Mitchell pattern?).  The top I got from a "rag shop" in Thailand off Ebay.  The pants I got from a Vietnam vet who was eight or ten years older than me, which is the right age (I was 18 in 1970).




Not "Mitchell" http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00279.php The WWII stuff was usually called "frogskin" by the Marines http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00111.php


This. The interesting part is, the Mitchell helmet cover's opposite side is 'frogskin'. Can't say I have ever seen pics of US troops using anything but the Mitchell cover however, despite the use of Duckhunter camo.






the brown side of the mitchell cover is NOT frogskin. they are not alike at all but I understand why you thought it was the same.  

it is a different pattern.    a lot of collectors call is "cloud pattern" though that is not its name.   the vietnam National police force wore entire uniforms of that camo pattern.
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The Army's and Marine Corps WWII camouflage patterns were identical, the cut of the uniforms was very different.

The camo usually refered to as Mitchell was introduced during the Korean era.

<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ABN%20Helmet/1011-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ABN%20Helmet/1011-1.jpg</a>

My brain bucket M1, airborne personnel, one each, with "Mitchell" camo cover


<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0621.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0621.jpg</a>
<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0620.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0620.jpg</a>

So long as I'm posting my pots, my repro ARVN Biet Dong Quan helmet, painted by me, high school art class paid off for something. (please forgive the dusty lamp, I was working on a drywall project in the basement and didn't realize it was captured in the pics )
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The Army's and Marine Corps WWII camouflage patterns were identical, the cut of the uniforms was very different.

The camo usually refered to as Mitchell was introduced during the Korean era.

<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ABN%20Helmet/1011-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ABN%20Helmet/1011-1.jpg</a>

My brain bucket M1, airborne personnel, one each, with "Mitchell" camo cover


<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0621.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0621.jpg</a>
<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0620.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0620.jpg</a>

So long as I'm posting my pots, my repro ARVN Biet Dong Quan helmet, painted by me, high school art class paid off for something. (please forgive the dusty lamp, I was working on a drywall project in the basement and didn't realize it was captured in the pics )








good job on the ARVN Ranger helmet paint.  it looks great
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good job on the ARVN Ranger helmet paint.  it looks great
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The Army's and Marine Corps WWII camouflage patterns were identical, the cut of the uniforms was very different.

The camo usually refered to as Mitchell was introduced during the Korean era.

<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ABN%20Helmet/1011-1.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ABN%20Helmet/1011-1.jpg</a>

My brain bucket M1, airborne personnel, one each, with "Mitchell" camo cover


<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0621.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0621.jpg</a>
<a href="http://s983.photobucket.com/user/44Echo10/media/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0620.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/ae318/44Echo10/Vietnam/ARVN/102_0620.jpg</a>

So long as I'm posting my pots, my repro ARVN Biet Dong Quan helmet, painted by me, high school art class paid off for something. (please forgive the dusty lamp, I was working on a drywall project in the basement and didn't realize it was captured in the pics )








good job on the ARVN Ranger helmet paint.  it looks great


Thanks, Man. I always thought they looked cool, ever since seeing pics as a kid. Can't afford an original...or one purported to be an original, so thought I'd just make my own. You've got some groovy stuff in your collection also.
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the brown side of the mitchell cover is NOT frogskin. they are not alike at all but I understand why you thought it was the same.  

it is a different pattern.    a lot of collectors call is "cloud pattern" though that is not its name.   the vietnam National police force wore entire uniforms of that camo pattern.
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My Beo Gam is an original "Kamo Brand" set.  IIRC, Ranger (Western Auto stores brand) and Kamo (Wards) were the two most common domestic made ones.  I believe it was patterned after USMC WW2 camo (Mitchell pattern?).  The top I got from a "rag shop" in Thailand off Ebay.  The pants I got from a Vietnam vet who was eight or ten years older than me, which is the right age (I was 18 in 1970).




Not "Mitchell" http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00279.php The WWII stuff was usually called "frogskin" by the Marines http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00111.php


This. The interesting part is, the Mitchell helmet cover's opposite side is 'frogskin'. Can't say I have ever seen pics of US troops using anything but the Mitchell cover however, despite the use of Duckhunter camo.






the brown side of the mitchell cover is NOT frogskin. they are not alike at all but I understand why you thought it was the same.  

it is a different pattern.    a lot of collectors call is "cloud pattern" though that is not its name.   the vietnam National police force wore entire uniforms of that camo pattern.


Gotcha. Thanks for the correction. Funny thing is, I like that side better than the Mitchell...

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yeah its a nice set.  but not patterned after Mitchell pattern. that is totally different pattern as other mentioned


that shirt is nice, but ( and I am no beo gam expert)  everything I have ever studied on the matter is,  that no chest pockets and only bottom pockets means it was a commercial hunting shit.  not Military issued.    does not mean no one wore some in VN,  but many people make the mistake of thinking it is the same thing


same with tiger stripe.   no chest pockets, and pockets just at the bottom of the shirt means NOT Vietnam war time originals.  same with  rip stop tigers.   not original. .

BDU buttons like on modern woodland shirts etc is a dead give away. BDU buttons on  tigers means  not the real thing.  but an after war after market repro. its possible some people replaced lost buttons with BDU bottons of course, but there are other ways to tell if you suspect this is the case.   but the pockets not on the chest is a dead give away
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yeah its a nice set.  but not patterned after Mitchell pattern. that is totally different pattern as other mentioned


that shirt is nice, but ( and I am no beo gam expert)  everything I have ever studied on the matter is,  that no chest pockets and only bottom pockets means it was a commercial hunting shit.  not Military issued.    does not mean no one wore some in VN,  but many people make the mistake of thinking it is the same thing


same with tiger stripe.   no chest pockets, and pockets just at the bottom of the shirt means NOT Vietnam war time originals.  same with  rip stop tigers.   not original. .

BDU buttons like on modern woodland shirts etc is a dead give away. BDU buttons on  tigers means  not the real thing.  but an after war after market repro. its possible some people replaced lost buttons with BDU bottons of course, but there are other ways to tell if you suspect this is the case.   but the pockets not on the chest is a dead give away
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My Beo Gam is an original "Kamo Brand" set.  IIRC, Ranger (Western Auto stores brand) and Kamo (Wards) were the two most common domestic made ones.  I believe it was patterned after USMC WW2 camo (Mitchell pattern?).  The top I got from a "rag shop" in Thailand off Ebay.  The pants I got from a Vietnam vet who was eight or ten years older than me, which is the right age (I was 18 in 1970).



yeah its a nice set.  but not patterned after Mitchell pattern. that is totally different pattern as other mentioned


that shirt is nice, but ( and I am no beo gam expert)  everything I have ever studied on the matter is,  that no chest pockets and only bottom pockets means it was a commercial hunting shit.  not Military issued.    does not mean no one wore some in VN,  but many people make the mistake of thinking it is the same thing


same with tiger stripe.   no chest pockets, and pockets just at the bottom of the shirt means NOT Vietnam war time originals.  same with  rip stop tigers.   not original. .

BDU buttons like on modern woodland shirts etc is a dead give away. BDU buttons on  tigers means  not the real thing.  but an after war after market repro. its possible some people replaced lost buttons with BDU bottons of course, but there are other ways to tell if you suspect this is the case.   but the pockets not on the chest is a dead give away




Gasp!!...You mean, The Duke didn't have real tigers???  
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no. Im saying sometimes people replace the buttons .  and they didnt  come with them if made in VN so you have to be careful when buying "originals"


and I have read that Waynes tiger stripes where  not asian made, and the same prop company is said to have made the set Captain Willard wore in Apocalypse now
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no. Im saying sometimes people replace the buttons .  and they didnt  come with them if made in VN so you have to be careful when buying "originals"


and I have read that Waynes tiger stripes where  not asian made, and the same prop company is said to have made the set Captain Willard wore in Apocalypse now
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Just messing with you,







Some of my kit set up Aussie style
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For what its worth we carried four canteens and use canteen covers to carry extra mags we would hook them were we could no right or wrong way. and at least two seven pouch bandoleers .but the mag pouches  in the first post are M1 garand  30.06. We used m14 longer mag pouches to carry the twenty rounder's  with a sock in the bottom to keep them up were you co get them out when ya needed them thirty rounder's came late on late 68 or early 69 short 20 round mag pouches came in short supply in 67 there were a few thirty rounder earlier but SF and LLRPs got them the rifle companies didn't get them at  first.
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For what its worth we carried four canteens and use canteen covers to carry extra mags we would hook them were we could no right or wrong way. and at least two seven pouch bandoleers .but the mag pouches  in the first post are M1 garand  30.06. We used m14 longer mag pouches to carry the twenty rounder's  with a sock in the bottom to keep them up were you co get them out when ya needed them thirty rounder's came late on late 68 or early 69 short 20 round mag pouches came in short supply in 67 there were a few thirty rounder earlier but SF and LLRPs got them the rifle companies didn't get them at  first.
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Great info otcnv! That's why I love this place. REAL info from REAL people.

Thank you for your service!

Echo what's with the pruners? Quieter than a machete?

I have pruners JUST like those! I got them out of the garbage years ago and they are my primary pruners!

I didn't know they were military issue!
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For what its worth we carried four canteens and use canteen covers to carry extra mags we would hook them were we could no right or wrong way. and at least two seven pouch bandoleers .but the mag pouches  in the first post are M1 garand  30.06. We used m14 longer mag pouches to carry the twenty rounder's  with a sock in the bottom to keep them up were you co get them out when ya needed them thirty rounder's came late on late 68 or early 69 short 20 round mag pouches came in short supply in 67 there were a few thirty rounder earlier but SF and LLRPs got them the rifle companies didn't get them at  first.
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Shawn's first pics are of a BAR belt, two BAR mags per pouch, twelve mags per belt. Plenty of room for 5.56 twenty rounders. He does need to ditch that one ALICE canteen cover hiding next to the butt pack.

Commonly used by SF types...




Also used early on by M14 gunners performing the automatic rifleman role...

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Great info otcnv! That's why I love this place. REAL info from REAL people.

Thank you for your service!

Echo what's with the pruners? Quieter than a machete?

I have pruners JUST like those! I got them out of the garbage years ago and they are my primary pruners!

I didn't know they were military issue!
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For what its worth we carried four canteens and use canteen covers to carry extra mags we would hook them were we could no right or wrong way. and at least two seven pouch bandoleers .but the mag pouches  in the first post are M1 garand  30.06. We used m14 longer mag pouches to carry the twenty rounder's  with a sock in the bottom to keep them up were you co get them out when ya needed them thirty rounder's came late on late 68 or early 69 short 20 round mag pouches came in short supply in 67 there were a few thirty rounder earlier but SF and LLRPs got them the rifle companies didn't get them at  first.


Great info otcnv! That's why I love this place. REAL info from REAL people.

Thank you for your service!

Echo what's with the pruners? Quieter than a machete?

I have pruners JUST like those! I got them out of the garbage years ago and they are my primary pruners!

I didn't know they were military issue!



Exactly, Aussie's used them to be quiet, also more useful for clearing lanes of fire. Not military issue. Dear Mom, please mail me a pair of secateurs.



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Exactly, Aussie's used them to be quiet, also more useful for clearing lanes of fire. Not military issue. Dear Mom, please mail me a pair of secateurs.

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DAFAQ? I loves me some good wurds but I had to look that one up!







I mean I used my context clues and knew what you meant but DAYUM that's a new one on me!







Thank for the straight dope AND and new word! (Must be an Aussie word!)

 
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DAFAQ? I loves me some good wurds but I had to look that one up!

I mean I used my context clues and knew what you meant but DAYUM that's a new one on me!

Thank for the straight dope AND and new word! (Must be an Aussie word!)
 
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Exactly, Aussie's used them to be quiet, also more useful for clearing lanes of fire. Not military issue. Dear Mom, please mail me a pair of secateurs.

 

DAFAQ? I loves me some good wurds but I had to look that one up!

I mean I used my context clues and knew what you meant but DAYUM that's a new one on me!

Thank for the straight dope AND and new word! (Must be an Aussie word!)
 


Actually looks French to me...

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Actually looks French to me...
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Exactly, Aussie's used them to be quiet, also more useful for clearing lanes of fire. Not military issue. Dear Mom, please mail me a pair of secateurs.







 
DAFAQ? I loves me some good wurds but I had to look that one up!
I mean I used my context clues and knew what you meant but DAYUM that's a new one on me!
Thank for the straight dope AND and new word! (Must be an Aussie word!)



 

Actually looks French to me...






 


Give that man a cigar!

















I meant Aussie usage.







Mayhaps the French left the word in Indochina before they took their ball and went home?







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I'd like to see the Machete close up - looks like a MOD knife. Got some pics?
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