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Posted: 2/7/2011 2:29:34 PM EDT
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And how much did they cost? I'll take 10 of them please.
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Posted: 2/7/2011 5:17:14 PM EDT
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From the 1968 Shooter's Bible:
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Posted: 2/8/2011 7:10:02 AM EDT
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June 1959 American Rifleman .....
and again in May of '62 
Colt's 1st flyer.....pre-production (pre waffle mags as well) 
The rifle pictured is "old no. 4",the Cooper-McDonald trials/demo gun with the Armalite logo "removed" 
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Posted: 2/8/2011 10:45:37 AM EDT
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There is a famous picture of Kennedy in the Oval Office holding one ...
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Posted: 2/8/2011 2:06:02 PM EDT
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Those are all pictures of the prototype rifles! And they're open! We can see the internals! Does anyone have larger scans? |
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Posted: 2/8/2011 2:43:55 PM EDT
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Those are all pictures of the prototype rifles! And they're open! We can see the internals! Does anyone have larger scans? The June '59 article is the earliest I have personally ever found, and it is just a single page. The May '62 article ,however, is outstanding..........about 5-6 pages and goes into depth/detail.......but it's content still belongs to NRA / American rifleman........just pick up an issue.......ebay/gunshows/flea markets/etc........a great article! |
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Posted: 2/8/2011 4:54:04 PM EDT
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Do you know if it has a clear picture of internals of one of the prototype rifles? They have a unique bolt catch that some of us (myself included) have been trying to find information on.
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Posted: 2/8/2011 6:05:12 PM EDT
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That colt flyer is interesting. It says how the DI gas system is superior to a piston driven system. It sure is strange why today people opt to have a gas piston over the DI system, and the DI was actually supposed to be a benefit of the rifle.
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Posted: 2/8/2011 9:14:50 PM EDT
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Do you know if it has a clear picture of internals of one of the prototype rifles? They have a unique bolt catch that some of us (myself included) have been trying to find information on. If you mean the 1962 article, no. No prototype photos. I do love the 601 photo at the top of the article, though. I really wish I could find that bipod!! |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 1:31:20 AM EDT
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Do you know if it has a clear picture of internals of one of the prototype rifles? They have a unique bolt catch that some of us (myself included) have been trying to find information on. Nope.....no more detailed photos of the internals of a Hollywood made gun....... |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:29:22 PM EDT
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I was scanning some issues of the AR-10'er and found this May-June 1959 article from Guns and Ammo. The AR-10'er editor, Louis Carabillo, often included magazine articles in the newsletter.
I believe it has been posted on this forum before. 
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:36:26 PM EDT
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Wow, very interesting!
Take a look at the AR15 upper on HHollows's page 66. The trigger charging handle channel is still present even though it has a triangle charging handle. |
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Posted: 2/9/2011 4:45:27 PM EDT
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Wow that is interesting. Almost looks like they just chopped off trigger and welded the triangle to the back.
Also, look how long the gas key is at the bottom of that American Rifleman article. I wonder why they cut it back so much. |
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Posted: 2/17/2011 5:02:29 AM EDT
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I was scanning some issues of the AR-10'er and found this May-June 1959 article from Guns and Ammo. The AR-10'er editor, Louis Carabillo, often included magazine articles in the newsletter. I believe it has been posted on this forum before. http://i51.tinypic.com/umyhg.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/23jg6d5.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/333lnc6.jpg Hi,is it possible to post the PDF file of the "May-June 1959 article from Guns and Ammo",for trade im posting a "GUNS Magazine March 1957" the original with the ArmaLite AR-10. thank you. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/armeiro1/MP28II/arm9-1.jpg" target="_blank">http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/armeiro1/MP28II/arm9-1.jpg http://jeffersonian.name/g1957/G0357.pdf |
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Posted: 2/18/2011 6:17:37 AM EDT
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An interesting tidbit from the 1957 "Guns" article is that Boutelle admits that the operation of the AR-10 becomes sluggish when as few as 500 rounds are fired without cleaning.
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Posted: 2/18/2011 12:27:38 PM EDT
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An interesting tidbit from the 1957 "Guns" article is that Boutelle admits that the operation of the AR-10 becomes sluggish when as few as 500 rounds are fired without cleaning. Probably because of the design of the first AR-10 bolt,the gas vented in to a cut in the bolt carrier,this created carbon fouling in the bolt. http://ww2.rediscov.com/springar/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/springar/details.idc,SPECIFIC=14189,DATABASE=59430675, http://ww2.rediscov.com/springar/full/12516-SA.1.jpg |
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Posted: 2/18/2011 4:17:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: There is a famous picture of Kennedy in the Oval Office holding one ... picture taken in April of 1963 
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Posted: 2/18/2011 4:56:36 PM EDT
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There is a famous picture of Kennedy in the Oval Office holding one ... picture taken in April of 1963 http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/JFK-M16.gif That's awesome. |
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Posted: 2/19/2011 3:03:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2011 6:27:24 AM EDT
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There is a famous picture of Kennedy in the Oval Office holding one ... picture taken in April of 1963 http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/JFK-M16.gif The current occupant of that office would piss and shit himself if that rifle was pressed into his hands. |
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Posted: 2/24/2011 10:11:49 PM EDT
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 High Res version (5.4MB) : http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d138/tango_foxtrot/ST-C85-1-63.jpg |
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Posted: 2/25/2011 3:33:44 AM EDT
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When that Hi-Rez pic is enlarged you can actually see the brown showing through inside the PG cavity as well as a little on the hand guard edges.
I still can't tell if that 601 is black or green. Warming up the colors starts to make it look green. But maybe not. |
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Posted: 2/25/2011 7:45:28 AM EDT
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An interesting tidbit from the 1957 "Guns" article is that Boutelle admits that the operation of the AR-10 becomes sluggish when as few as 500 rounds are fired without cleaning. Considering that is twice the standard 5.56 AR-15 carry load of today, and several times the standard carry load at the time I don't think it was considered a problem. |
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Posted: 2/25/2011 11:50:11 AM EDT
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An interesting tidbit from the 1957 "Guns" article is that Boutelle admits that the operation of the AR-10 becomes sluggish when as few as 500 rounds are fired without cleaning. Considering that is twice the standard 5.56 AR-15 carry load of today, and several times the standard carry load at the time I don't think it was considered a problem. True, but if you carry it over to the XM16E1 in the hands of green troops who are not properly maintaining their rifle, magazines, and ammunition, it might become an issue. I have a collection of III MAF unit histories. The differences in rounds expended increased dramaticly when units turned in their M14 for the XM16E1/M16A1. A simple enemy contact that had previously resulted in 20 rounds of 7.62mm expended, turned into 200 rounds of 5.56mm expended. One suspects the same was true with Army units that swapped out their rifles in-country during the previous year. |
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Posted: 2/25/2011 12:24:44 PM EDT
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[.True, but if you carry it over to the XM16E1 in the hands of green troops who are not properly maintaining their rifle, magazines, and ammunition, it might become an issue. That is a leadership issue, not a technical issue. If leadership isn't forcing it's troops to perform PM on their weapons then problems WILL occur no matter how good the weapon. A simple enemy contact that had previously resulted in 20 rounds of 7.62mm expended, turned into 200 rounds of 5.56mm expended. One suspects the same was true with Army units that swapped out their rifles in-country during the previous year.
I would expect that to be the case as well. One of the big advantages of switching to the 5.56 was it allowed more suppressive fire. |
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Posted: 3/1/2011 4:04:13 PM EDT
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[.True, but if you carry it over to the XM16E1 in the hands of green troops who are not properly maintaining their rifle, magazines, and ammunition, it might become an issue. That is a leadership issue, not a technical issue. If leadership isn't forcing it's troops to perform PM on their weapons then problems WILL occur no matter how good the weapon. A simple enemy contact that had previously resulted in 20 rounds of 7.62mm expended, turned into 200 rounds of 5.56mm expended. One suspects the same was true with Army units that swapped out their rifles in-country during the previous year.
I would expect that to be the case as well. One of the big advantages of switching to the 5.56 was it allowed more suppressive fire. The oldtimers called it ("Hose-ing down the clumps") |
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