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Posted: 5/18/2016 9:43:14 PM EDT
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Getting my hands on a 12" LaRue stealth barrel. I want to use this as a compact build, but still legal. I want to avoid SBR for now. I'm gonna try and knock out the SBRs and suppressor paperwork all at once at a later date when I'm ready. But I wanna enjoy this now of course. Question is will this muzzle be able to be pinned, and still functional later for the suppressor? Main question. Will it make the 12" version legal? If I'm SOL, I'll just have to build 2 pistols for now instead of one. Thanks for y'alls help. This is my first SBR endeavor, so wanna stay legal. AAC days length of muzzle is 4.25", so it should be good. Just wanna get verification from those who know before i burn myself. I would probably contact AAC and get their opinion on the barrel length question. But just based on your measurements, I think you'd be short because there is an overlap of threads (.4" ?) that must be subtracted. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 9:50:13 PM EDT
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I would probably contact AAC and get their opinion on the barrel length question. But just based on your measurements, I think you'd be short because there is an overlap of threads (.4" ?) that must be subtracted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Getting my hands on a 12" LaRue stealth barrel. I want to use this as a compact build, but still legal. I want to avoid SBR for now. I'm gonna try and knock out the SBRs and suppressor paperwork all at once at a later date when I'm ready. But I wanna enjoy this now of course. Question is will this muzzle be able to be pinned, and still functional later for the suppressor? Main question. Will it make the 12" version legal? If I'm SOL, I'll just have to build 2 pistols for now instead of one. Thanks for y'alls help. This is my first SBR endeavor, so wanna stay legal. AAC days length of muzzle is 4.25", so it should be good. Just wanna get verification from those who know before i burn myself. I would probably contact AAC and get their opinion on the barrel length question. But just based on your measurements, I think you'd be short because there is an overlap of threads (.4" ?) that must be subtracted. This is why i asked. Didn't even think about the damn threads. I'll shoot am email to them. This is the longest muzzle I've found. Any recommendations are appreciated. I am also getting a DD 12.5" barrel. But I really wanted to use the c larue for this dag gummit. Gawl! Hope is not lost. I'll find a way to make this work. Or just suck it up and wait on the papers. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:00:35 PM EDT
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Pistol is your answer. What ever you put on that will need to be pinned and welded if it's on a rifle and not a sbr.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:15:58 PM EDT
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Pistol is your answer. Yep. Get a shockwave blade and enjoy it now. Just be careful shouldering it. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/18/2016 10:58:24 PM EDT
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SBR is lyfe. just assembled my "p90" approved. Been humping it since.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:52:11 PM EDT
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I've seen the various braces out there. I'm just not fond of them. I want to SBR, just not ready yet. I'm wanting to SBR a pair of Jack10 and Jack15 lowers. Which i don't have yet. That's why I'm waiting. Don't want to SBR the cheapo ones i have now. Don't want to do it multiple times when i don't need to either. That's why i wanted to wait.
I guess i could just deal with building 2 pistols. Geez, life isn't fair sometimes. I was checking out long flash hiders and i came across the holescreek guy on hkpro. Anyone here making custom flash hiders? I only have 1 pistol lower on hand. Don't have enough parts to build another. So, the wife isn't gonna be happy. The daughter will though, she loves helping. I'll use that angle. Ha! |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 12:10:29 AM EDT
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I've seen the various braces out there. I'm just not fond of them. I want to SBR, just not ready yet. I'm wanting to SBR a pair of Jack10 and Jack15 lowers. Which i don't have yet. That's why I'm waiting. Don't want to SBR the cheapo ones i have now. Don't want to do it multiple times when i don't need to either. That's why i wanted to wait. I guess i could just deal with building 2 pistols. Geez, life isn't fair sometimes. I was checking out long flash hiders and i came across the holescreek guy on hkpro. Anyone here making custom flash hiders? I only have 1 pistol lower on hand. Don't have enough parts to build another. So, the wife isn't gonna be happy. The daughter will though, she loves helping. I'll use that angle. Ha! I've tried this on my .22 with no can: 
Better off going with a 14.5 at that point, though. |
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Posted: 5/19/2016 1:58:01 AM EDT
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I'm think I'm just gonna end up doing the DD as a pistol, and put the Larue up until i get my papers.
Just noticed the AAC flash hider states it only adds 1.75" total length. Reading is fundamental. I guess it's similar to an OPS Inc setup with the barrel being shrouded by the mount. So, yeah. LaRue is getting put up until i get everything ready. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:33:44 PM EDT
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I'm not being a smart ass. Real question.
Why buy a 12" barrel, buy a 4" muzzle device and have it pinned & welded to make it 16" long ? ? ? Why not not just get a 16" barrel and you're all set. Is it a specific ballistic performance thing people are after? They want less velocity, different twist rate, etc...? I just don't get it. Seriously, I'm not being a smart ass. The only thing I can figure is if the muzzle device protrudes a few inches into the suppressor therefore shortening the overall length. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 5:21:00 PM EDT
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I'm wanting to SBR, wanted to build up the LaRue barrel as such, but have a pinned muzzle temporarily until i get my papers. Then have the muzzle replaced with a proper, normal length one.
Not a smart ass question at all. I totally agree, I'm just trying to enjoy it now is all. Being impatient. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 5:53:35 PM EDT
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I'm wanting to SBR, wanted to build up the LaRue barrel as such, but have a pinned muzzle temporarily until i get my papers. Then have the muzzle replaced with a proper, normal length one. Not a smart ass question at all. I totally agree, I'm just trying to enjoy it now is all. Being impatient. Lotta hassle. Why not KISS, run it as a pistol for a while -- they're plenty of fun even without using a brace in an um unlawful way. - OS |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 8:58:29 PM EDT
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In gonna build one pistol for now since i only have 1 virgin lower. Larue will be put up until i get my papers. I build the DD barrel KISS style because that was the plan all along. I'll just start getting stuff together for the SBR.
I thought it was gonna be easier finding a longer flash hider that doesn't look goofy. I don't get to eat my cake yet. Just hold on to it for now. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:18:47 PM EDT
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Exactly - build a pistol. Keep it under 26" and you aren't something else. It won't have a stock, "ie flat vertical surface," and no VFG - but you get to carry it loaded in a bag in the front seat in a lot of states, carry it concealed - or even openly - transport it across state lines (no ATF permission required), and use it in states where an SBR is outlawed.
Same barrel as the MK18, just as short, just as accurate with some practice, and the ballistics are identical. An AR pistol under 26" can go sideways down a lot of narrow hallways where the 16" with flash hider scrapes the walls. Which is exactly why the Army adopted it in 1965 and the Navy uses it for ship boarding and clearing ops. They just get to put a stock on it. I continue to ask what real difference it makes, just to be That Guy and get people to think. If the stock - or not - makes no difference, there is no point to the NFA in that regard. BTW an adjustable length Brace from SB has recently been approved by the ATF. One device fits all forearms. 
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Posted: 5/21/2016 2:00:21 AM EDT
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I don't wanna say too much, not because I'm doing anything questionable, i got an idea for stashing a bug out kit in my car. Which includes the pistol.
So, gotta go as cheap as possible, but as reliable as possible. Barrel, bcg are going to be the most costly. Not sure if I should do an A2 front and chopped carry handle, or go without irons and only have the read dot. Don't want to free float or anything fancy. I want it cheap enough to not be too upset if i get jacked. But don't want to compromise reliability at all. It is the utmost requirement this thing go bang every time. Can't be vertical and flat, what constitutes as flat? I haven't researched that. How is the Shockwave legal? It's vertical and flat. Same with the brace. Saying is only illegal it i put it to my shoulder is bat shit. I don't get it. I can understand the NFA tax on machine guns, but what the hell. I seriously just don't get it. By that logic, as long as i use whatever is attached to the back of my pistol as a forearm brave, everything is ok? Rhetorical question. Anyways, fucking paperwork. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:53:33 PM EDT
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The Shockwave is perfectly legal, the best of the all the braces that I know of and only $48.50 including the KAK dimpled buffer tube.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 5:04:34 PM EDT
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The Shockwave is perfectly legal, the best of the all the braces that I know of and only $48.50 including the KAK dimpled buffer tube. I don't get it, but whatever. I haven't handled the blade yet, but i did the Sig brace and i don't like it. But, i did not shoot with it, only donned it and played with it a bit. Are these the only "approved" bracing methods? This is my first pistol and SBR. Honestly, i just get confused when i start reading the legal BS. Like I'm unable to comprehend the bullshit, ha. Which has kept me away for awhile, now screw it. I'm jumping in with both feet. Just need to get my Jacks for the SBR stuff. Maybe I'll throw a couple stripped lowers on they're for safe measure. Might as well load the trust up. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 11:18:02 AM EDT
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I don't get it, but whatever. I haven't handled the blade yet, but i did the Sig brace and i don't like it. But, i did not shoot with it, only donned it and played with it a bit. Are these the only "approved" bracing methods? This is my first pistol and SBR. Honestly, i just get confused when i start reading the legal BS. Like I'm unable to comprehend the bullshit, ha. Which has kept me away for awhile, now screw it. I'm jumping in with both feet. Just need to get my Jacks for the SBR stuff. Maybe I'll throw a couple stripped lowers on they're for safe measure. Might as well load the trust up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Shockwave is perfectly legal, the best of the all the braces that I know of and only $48.50 including the KAK dimpled buffer tube. I don't get it, but whatever. I haven't handled the blade yet, but i did the Sig brace and i don't like it. But, i did not shoot with it, only donned it and played with it a bit. Are these the only "approved" bracing methods? This is my first pistol and SBR. Honestly, i just get confused when i start reading the legal BS. Like I'm unable to comprehend the bullshit, ha. Which has kept me away for awhile, now screw it. I'm jumping in with both feet. Just need to get my Jacks for the SBR stuff. Maybe I'll throw a couple stripped lowers on they're for safe measure. Might as well load the trust up. There's not much to the pistol laws. Just don't put a stock on it and no vertical grip. Braces are NOT stocks. The point of the braces are to avoid SBR and are perfectly legal. Of course they can serve as a stock, that is their real purpose, but they are not a stock by the definition of the ATF's written opinions. There's the Sig brace, Shockwave Blade brace and the overpriced SB Tactical Collapsing Brace. Those are the ones that I know of. You can go SBR, but then you'll be restricted as mentioned previously. SBRs are NFA items. Pistols are no big deal just like any other pistol. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's not much to the pistol laws. Just don't put a stock on it and no vertical grip. Braces are NOT stocks. The point of the braces are to avoid SBR and are perfectly legal. Of course they can serve as a stock, that is their real purpose, but they are not a stock by the definition of the ATF's written opinions. There's the Sig brace, Shockwave Blade brace and the overpriced SB Tactical Collapsing Brace. Those are the ones that I know of. You can go SBR, but then you'll be restricted as mentioned previously. SBRs are NFA items. Pistols are no big deal just like any other pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Shockwave is perfectly legal, the best of the all the braces that I know of and only $48.50 including the KAK dimpled buffer tube. I don't get it, but whatever. I haven't handled the blade yet, but i did the Sig brace and i don't like it. But, i did not shoot with it, only donned it and played with it a bit. Are these the only "approved" bracing methods? This is my first pistol and SBR. Honestly, i just get confused when i start reading the legal BS. Like I'm unable to comprehend the bullshit, ha. Which has kept me away for awhile, now screw it. I'm jumping in with both feet. Just need to get my Jacks for the SBR stuff. Maybe I'll throw a couple stripped lowers on they're for safe measure. Might as well load the trust up. There's not much to the pistol laws. Just don't put a stock on it and no vertical grip. Braces are NOT stocks. The point of the braces are to avoid SBR and are perfectly legal. Of course they can serve as a stock, that is their real purpose, but they are not a stock by the definition of the ATF's written opinions. There's the Sig brace, Shockwave Blade brace and the overpriced SB Tactical Collapsing Brace. Those are the ones that I know of. You can go SBR, but then you'll be restricted as mentioned previously. SBRs are NFA items. Pistols are no big deal just like any other pistol. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 6:01:46 PM EDT
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There's not much to the pistol laws. Just don't put a stock on it and no vertical grip. Braces are NOT stocks. The point of the braces are to avoid SBR and are perfectly legal. Of course they can serve as a stock, that is their real purpose, but they are not a stock by the definition of the ATF's written opinions. There's the Sig brace, Shockwave Blade brace and the overpriced SB Tactical Collapsing Brace. Those are the ones that I know of. You can go SBR, but then you'll be restricted as mentioned previously. SBRs are NFA items. Pistols are no big deal just like any other pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Shockwave is perfectly legal, the best of the all the braces that I know of and only]. I don't get it, but whatever. I haven't handled the blade yet, but i did the Sig brace and i don't like it. But, i did not shoot with it, only donned it and played with it a bit. Are these the only "approved" bracing methods? This is my first pistol and SBR. Honestly, i just get confused when i start reading the legal BS. Like I'm unable to comprehend the bullshit, ha. Which has kept me away for awhile, now screw it. I'm jumping in with both feet. Just need to get my Jacks for the SBR stuff. Maybe I'll throw a couple stripped lowers on they're for safe measure. Might as well load the trust up. There's not much to the pistol laws. Just don't put a stock on it and no vertical grip. Braces are NOT stocks. The point of the braces are to avoid SBR and are perfectly legal. Of course they can serve as a stock, that is their real purpose, but they are not a stock by the definition of the ATF's written opinions. There's the Sig brace, Shockwave Blade brace and the overpriced SB Tactical Collapsing Brace. Those are the ones that I know of. You can go SBR, but then you'll be restricted as mentioned previously. SBRs are NFA items. Pistols are no big deal just like any other pistol. This isn't wisdom one should consider, nor the mindset if jousting in the pistol arena. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 6:26:23 PM EDT
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I get why y'all are calling him out. But he has a point. How is the Shockwave not a stock? It's vertical and flat. It's locked in place by a set screw and dimple.
By that logic, i can use any "stock" as a brace, but i am just not allowed to shoulder it. Is this not correct? What about if i had a UBR stock. Would i be in compliance if i just used it as a brace? That's what i don't get why the Sig and Shockwave are legal. Could i simply remove the lower portion of the UBR and be in compliance? I don't want to get unexpected taps on the shoulder while at the range. Or be put in a bad spot if i get pulled over for whatever reason. I'm going to do the SBR eventually, as I'm getting a trust for the suppressors and possibly a registered sear or lower. So, is logical to do the SBR papers while I'm at it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 6:42:24 PM EDT
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...How is the Shockwave not a stock?... Because ATF has not ruled it as a stock. Really. - OS |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:23:56 PM EDT
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For what it's worth..I say go for the short barrel rifle route I know you don't want to go that way but least you can get any rifle stock you may want to purchase with out worrying about the ATF finding out if they do. I have a Daniel Defense MK18 10.3" pistol that I made it in to a SBR due to not being able to shoot it as a Pistol I lost some of my muscle strength in my right arm and now I am able to shoot my rifle with the butt stock.
Good luck. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 2:39:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I get why y'all are calling him out. But he has a point. How is the Shockwave not a stock? It's vertical and flat. It's locked in place by a set screw and dimple. By that logic, i can use any "stock" as a brace, but i am just not allowed to shoulder it. Is this not correct? What about if i had a UBR stock. Would i be in compliance if i just used it as a brace? That's what i don't get why the Sig and Shockwave are legal. Could i simply remove the lower portion of the UBR and be in compliance? I don't want to get unexpected taps on the shoulder while at the range. Or be put in a bad spot if i get pulled over for whatever reason. I'm going to do the SBR eventually, as I'm getting a trust for the suppressors and possibly a registered sear or lower. So, is logical to do the SBR papers while I'm at it. A stock, such as the UBR you mention, has never been submitted to the ATF for determination as a brace and is simply a stock. Installing one on a pistol shows the makers has "redesigned, remade and intended to fire from the shoulder" that pistol and is then a SBR. |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 2:52:04 AM EDT
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Whatever
Shockwave it is. I don't like the Sig one. Too tight on my forearm, and rips out my arm hairs. Boo hoo, i know. But is my money dammit 
That ATF stuff sounds like nonsense to me. But whatever. Rules of the game i suppose. Follow them or don't play, right? |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 8:20:43 AM EDT
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have you looked into the thordsen customs cheek rest?
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Posted: 5/26/2016 5:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever Shockwave it is. I don't like the Sig one. Too tight on my forearm, and rips out my arm hairs. Boo hoo, i know. But is my money dammit That ATF stuff sounds like nonsense to me. But whatever. Rules of the game i suppose. Follow them or don't play, right? |
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Posted: 5/26/2016 9:05:46 PM EDT
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It's your money but we are trying to help you..
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Posted: 5/26/2016 10:27:13 PM EDT
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What if you buy a griffin Spartan and pin/weld that to your barrel
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Posted: 5/27/2016 7:10:19 PM EDT
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Whatever? you asked a question why and it was answered exactly why and now you pull some BS Prima Donna "whatever" crap? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shockwave it is. I don't like the Sig one. Too tight on my forearm, and rips out my arm hairs. Boo hoo, i know. But is my money dammit
That ATF stuff sounds like nonsense to me. But whatever. Rules of the game i suppose. Follow them or don't play, right? I'm saying "whatever" to the stupid rules and regulations. Not to the answer itself, calm down bud. Don't let mere words get you wadded up.
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Posted: 5/27/2016 7:14:16 PM EDT
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I thought about getting a suppressor pinned, but if I'm going to get the papers for the suppressor, i might as well get the SBR stuff going at the same time, right?
That's why I came here. To see if it was possible to avoid SBR for now, and not look like a goof ball i guess. I just found out a coworker has a setup with the blade and brought it into work. The brace, not the rig, and i actually like it. Might like it enough to say the hell with SBR altogether, but gotta put it through the paces first. |
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