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Posted: 6/2/2012 10:17:25 AM
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They can't get PDS pistols from their distributors becasue RRA doesn't use distributors...We're dealer direct. All those dealers have to do is send us signed copies of their FFL and whatever retail/resale tax docuemnts their state issues and they are an RRA dealer. and able to order directly from us.
As far as not shipping any of them, that would be a surprise to the guys who build them and were shipping them as recently as yesterday (June 1).
Sorry that you've been receiving bad information from those dealers, but that's what it is.
As far as the stock kit, I'm ready to ship it butthere is an entanglement that once cleared up, I'll be posting both on our web site and our industry forum (and in here if I can find it again at that time) that we're ready to run with it. We are going to be requiring a copy of your SBR registration before we'll ship, but nothing sinister is involved in not shipping them at this time.
As far as the poster several posts up th epage about lockig an engineer in a room and he'll come up with somehting in no time....engineers are good, but over-riding certain qualities of physics is an issue that takes a little more than just applying oneself harder than you did yesterday.
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Posted: 6/5/2012 3:29:02 PM
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
They can't get PDS pistols from their distributors becasue RRA doesn't use distributors...We're dealer direct. All those dealers have to do is send us signed copies of their FFL and whatever retail/resale tax docuemnts their state issues and they are an RRA dealer. and able to order directly from us.
As far as not shipping any of them, that would be a surprise to the guys who build them and were shipping them as recently as yesterday (June 1).
Sorry that you've been receiving bad information from those dealers, but that's what it is.
As far as the stock kit, I'm ready to ship it butthere is an entanglement that once cleared up, I'll be posting both on our web site and our industry forum (and in here if I can find it again at that time) that we're ready to run with it. We are going to be requiring a copy of your SBR registration before we'll ship, but nothing sinister is involved in not shipping them at this time.
As far as the poster several posts up th epage about lockig an engineer in a room and he'll come up with somehting in no time....engineers are good, but over-riding certain qualities of physics is an issue that takes a little more than just applying oneself harder than you did yesterday.
Steve/RRA


What's the hold up? It's a simple part produced for the regular carbine length rifle. I don't understand the "entanglement". What do you do when a customer with a regular carbine length PDS breaks the folding mech.?
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Posted: 6/5/2012 10:43:53 PM
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
They can't get PDS pistols from their distributors becasue RRA doesn't use distributors...We're dealer direct. All those dealers have to do is send us signed copies of their FFL and whatever retail/resale tax docuemnts their state issues and they are an RRA dealer. and able to order directly from us.
As far as not shipping any of them, that would be a surprise to the guys who build them and were shipping them as recently as yesterday (June 1).
Sorry that you've been receiving bad information from those dealers, but that's what it is.
As far as the stock kit, I'm ready to ship it butthere is an entanglement that once cleared up, I'll be posting both on our web site and our industry forum (and in here if I can find it again at that time) that we're ready to run with it. We are going to be requiring a copy of your SBR registration before we'll ship, but nothing sinister is involved in not shipping them at this time.
As far as the poster several posts up th epage about lockig an engineer in a room and he'll come up with somehting in no time....engineers are good, but over-riding certain qualities of physics is an issue that takes a little more than just applying oneself harder than you did yesterday.
Steve/RRA


For you to sell the stock adapter, will any Form1 SBR work or does it have to be a PDS? BTW, requiring SBR paperwork is BS. You are not IRS or ATF agents and are not required by any law to only sell the parts to those with SBRs. It's simply a part that warrants an NFA warning message/disclaimer. Now if you only want to sell them to people with PDS SBR's to prevent people from using them on other bufferless configurations, just say so.
As for my "locking the engineers in a room" comment, it seems pretty clear that it's not an engineering thing but a company misguidance issue. RRA is losing points in my book pretty quickly.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 10:04:57 AM
Hi Steve, What about the Gas Plug for a Suppressor? As I stated I am building my own stock for my SBR I need to know if I will ever be able to use a suppressor on my PDS SBR?
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Posted: 6/6/2012 10:06:48 AM
We aren't required to sell the adaptor at all. When we do release it, whatever conditions that accompany the sale will come from RRA.
Unfortunately for some, that's the way it has to be.

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Posted: 6/6/2012 10:40:38 AM
Well of course you're not required to sell it, just as no one is required to buy RRA products, but you've been promising the part (and others) for the last year. Personally I have zero interest in the stock adapter but did want an upper kit for a std lower.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 9:21:01 AM
Originally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Well of course you're not required to sell it, just as no one is required to buy RRA products, but you've been promising the part (and others) for the last year. Personally I have zero interest in the stock adapter but did want an upper kit for a std lower.


I understand your (and other's) concerns very well, but there are certain things that are outside my/our control right now. The conversion kit for standard lowers is still in the works...and making sure that it does work is the biggest concern. We don't want it tearing up your lowers. That simple. So far, they are good for 500-1000 rounds before they start to cause problems that will, left to themselves,make those registered SBR lowers pretty much worthless. Rather than release them and yell "Buy at your own peril", we aren't going to release them until we are comfortable that they will NOT damage your lower. I guess that makes me/us horrible people,liars, etc..I can live with that a lot more easily than I can with destroying customer-owned product.

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Posted: 6/8/2012 9:35:59 AM
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Originally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Well of course you're not required to sell it, just as no one is required to buy RRA products, but you've been promising the part (and others) for the last year. Personally I have zero interest in the stock adapter but did want an upper kit for a std lower.


I understand your (and other's) concerns very well, but there are certain things that are outside my/our control right now. The conversion kit for standard lowers is still in the works...and making sure that it does work is the biggest concern. We don't want it tearing up your lowers. That simple. So far, they are good for 500-1000 rounds before they start to cause problems that will, left to themselves,make those registered SBR lowers pretty much worthless. Rather than release them and yell "Buy at your own peril", we aren't going to release them until we are comfortable that they will NOT damage your lower. I guess that makes me/us horrible people,liars, etc..I can live with that a lot more easily than I can with destroying customer-owned product.

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Could you also take the time to Chrome line the barrel and chamber too? An unprotected bore and chamber is so early 1900's ish.
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Posted: 6/8/2012 10:05:31 AM
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Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Originally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Well of course you're not required to sell it, just as no one is required to buy RRA products, but you've been promising the part (and others) for the last year. Personally I have zero interest in the stock adapter but did want an upper kit for a std lower.


I understand your (and other's) concerns very well, but there are certain things that are outside my/our control right now. The conversion kit for standard lowers is still in the works...and making sure that it does work is the biggest concern. We don't want it tearing up your lowers. That simple. So far, they are good for 500-1000 rounds before they start to cause problems that will, left to themselves,make those registered SBR lowers pretty much worthless. Rather than release them and yell "Buy at your own peril", we aren't going to release them until we are comfortable that they will NOT damage your lower. I guess that makes me/us horrible people,liars, etc..I can live with that a lot more easily than I can with destroying customer-owned product.

Steve/RRA


I'm guessing the damage has to do with the fact that the tiny little tab on the head of the spring guide rod / stop rests on the upper portion of the buffer tower, putting a good bit of bending moment on the buffer tower during firing. It also looks like the PDS has no buffer material to soften the impact of the carrier to the rear. Interesting.




If the buffer tower WERE to break off of a standard lower, you know where that spring/guide rod is going...
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Posted: 6/8/2012 11:26:35 AM
Originally Posted By RRAMODERATOR:
Originally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Well of course you're not required to sell it, just as no one is required to buy RRA products, but you've been promising the part (and others) for the last year. Personally I have zero interest in the stock adapter but did want an upper kit for a std lower.


I understand your (and other's) concerns very well, but there are certain things that are outside my/our control right now. The conversion kit for standard lowers is still in the works...and making sure that it does work is the biggest concern. We don't want it tearing up your lowers. That simple. So far, they are good for 500-1000 rounds before they start to cause problems that will, left to themselves,make those registered SBR lowers pretty much worthless. Rather than release them and yell "Buy at your own peril", we aren't going to release them until we are comfortable that they will NOT damage your lower. I guess that makes me/us horrible people,liars, etc..I can live with that a lot more easily than I can with destroying customer-owned product.

Steve/RRA


I guess it just seems so simple to all of us to sell a part that is currently being produced for the rifles but apparently that is not the case. If it's a matter of a big-wig not wanting to offer it as a separate part maybe you can show them this thread.

That makes sense regarding wanting to makes sure you have a solid product before releasing the conversion kit. I'm pretty sure that is what everyone wants. It would be interesting if RDTCU's theory is in deed what's going on. I'll echo the chrome lining request!
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Posted: 7/12/2012 9:42:01 AM
PDS Side-Folding Stock Kit
LR0255 $175 MSRP now available fo rorder from the RRA website or through RRA Sales. Should start shipping in the next week or two.
Does require submission of a copy of the Form 1 from your PDS pistol 's SBR registration..

Can issue still being worked on, primarily with can manufacturers.

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Posted: 7/12/2012 10:47:51 AM
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Cool, any progress on the upper kit for the standard lowers? I'm guessing the longevity of the lower is the big sticking point at the moment.

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Posted: 7/12/2012 1:03:52 PM
Yes it is. We can keep it going in standard configuration fo rjust so long before the lower is damaged and no longer usable fo rthe PDS conversion or anything else. We started with the plan (and actual working models) to use standard lowers, but continuous testing put the brakes on that plan. We recognize that alot of th einterest if fo ruse on already registered SBR lowers, Physically there's nothing dfferent, but that registration makes all th edifference in the owrld to us. We don;t want you to destroy a potentially ireplacable lower.
We'r working on the conversion hand in hand with several other PDS-centered projects...some of which all tie together and a few that are independent but require soem of the same information and testing.
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Posted: 7/12/2012 3:50:58 PM
Just ordered mine up
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Posted: 7/14/2012 10:06:28 PM
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I'm also waiting on the stand alone uppers.

Talk about irreplaceable, I have a preban AR pistol, good luck finding one for under $2K - if at all - these days!!!

And no its not for sale!


ETA - if your taking requests for specs, I'd also love for the uppers to be 100% hot swappable so if I get out of NY and can SBR a lower...

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Posted: 7/16/2012 3:11:58 PM
The intent is for the conversion upper kit to be usable on any standard lower..
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Posted: 9/2/2012 10:52:58 AM
Any idea when/if the suppressor capable regulator might be in production. Also any plans on a 300 blk for the PDS platform?
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Posted: 9/6/2012 5:22:36 PM
Almost a 2 year wait and finally RR shipped the folding stock mech. Oh!! I can't wait
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Posted: 9/6/2012 9:17:40 PM
Did they actually ship yours or you just ordered it? I'm right there at the 2 year mark with you and I ordered mine almost 2 months ago and they still haven't shipped it yet.
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Posted: 9/7/2012 3:05:11 PM
how hard is it to change the barrel on one?
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Posted: 9/7/2012 3:09:44 PM
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how hard is it to change the barrel on one?


Probably a proprietary barrel profile...

I could be wrong though.
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Posted: 9/7/2012 4:02:41 PM
Originally Posted By thesandstertx:
Did they actually ship yours or you just ordered it? I'm right there at the 2 year mark with you and I ordered mine almost 2 months ago and they still haven't shipped it yet.


Ordered a couple months ago as well and they just billed my CC and emailed the UPS tracking info
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Posted: 9/29/2012 12:43:05 AM
I wanted this to be my Canadian SBR / California AOW but since you need a Form 1 for the stock kit I'm probably just getting a DI setup from my LGS and putting a regular buffer/stock on it when I cross the Canadian border (AR pistols are useful in Canada because they can run 10 round mags instead of 5 rounds). I really like RRA too, its a shame! I was ready to dump 3 grand on a pistol/carbine combo!
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Posted: 10/19/2012 4:54:18 PM
I have skimmed the thread, I still cant figure out why the PDS pistol will not work with a QD type suppressor. can someone answer that? there is a PDS pistol down the street and its screaming BUY ME.
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Posted: 10/19/2012 4:58:27 PM
Originally Posted By GGGBeo50:
I have skimmed the thread, I still cant figure out why the PDS pistol will not work with a QD type suppressor. can someone answer that? there is a PDS pistol down the street and its screaming BUY ME.


It will be overgassed and may tear itself apart, and when it does, RRA can say say "not our problem, it's not suppressor rated" and you'd be out of luck.
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