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Posted: 10/14/2014 8:18:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Oh yeah, around $2,000
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Posted: 10/14/2014 8:31:06 PM EDT
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Is this a dedicated hog rig? Out of curiosity why the 18" bbl requirement? My suggestion until I saw the 18" requirement was a 14.5" Larue PredatOBR. I use that as a dedicated hog rifle, mostly for night but day or night it is the most perfect fit for what I use it for, don't let the short barrel fool you if distance is your concern, you will give up less than 100 FPS to an 18" bbl and the rifle will be sub MOA as far as you can drive it. Are you planning on running a supressor. The 14.5 length is awesome handling with a can.
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Posted: 10/14/2014 8:49:18 PM EDT
[#3]
I plan on getting a can one day, but for right now will run it loud. I like the idea of the bbl for accuracy, and heating issues.
This weapon will be primarily for hogging, but will shoot a deer if it pops its head out. I'm currently using a 7mag bolt action for my night hunting, but that's 1 shot per, need decent power that can sling'm a little quicker. |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 8:54:28 PM EDT
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The predator OBR looks great, but it's $1,300 above my financial limit.
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Posted: 10/14/2014 9:06:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The predator OBR looks great, but it's $1,300 above my financial limit.  |
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Posted: 10/14/2014 11:24:29 PM EDT
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In you price range there is only one true choice...DPMS G2...hunter model is probably best for you.
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Posted: 10/14/2014 11:26:51 PM EDT
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In you price range there is only one true choice...DPMS G2...hunter model is probably best for you. If you are dead set on .308, then this is my advice as well. The GII Hunter is the best balanced AR10 on the market right now. 
If you want faster follow-up shot capability, less recoil, ammunition specifically designed to operate from a gas gun, and compatibility with the AR15 family of weapons, I would have you look at the 6.5 Grendel AR15 instead. 
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Posted: 10/16/2014 6:28:01 PM EDT
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I'm curious now, in your opinion what are pros and cons of the "Hunter", and the "Sass"?, I have never held either of them, weight is not an issue as I am sitting in my game winner big boy tree stand with a solid shooting rail... To my knowledge they both pretty much have the same internals (minus the trigger is supposedly better in the Sass). Does barrel length make that much difference in the .308 caliber?
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Posted: 10/16/2014 7:14:24 PM EDT
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Barrel length always makes a difference, just a matter of what you need.
As an example, a decent load out of a 16" barrel will push a 150gr bullet to 1800FPS @ 350yds, which is enough to expand a Barnes solid copper. If that is enough performance for whatever you are trying to kill, then why would you want a longer barrel? With optics, sight radius isn't a factor, so all you are doing is adding bulk if you don't need performance that comes from an additional 1-200FPS due to barrel length. I don't believe many will find the recoil of a "light" .308 AR at ~9lbs to be harsh. Initially I was hung up on the barrel length thing, but at least with .308, when you start looking at the ballistics differences at moderate distance, and the accuracy that can be had from even a 16" barrel, it becomes clear that unless you NEED a longer barrel, there is little reason to have one. To put it another way, even if you pushed a 150gr bullet at 3000FPS, you'd still be 6.9" low at 300yds, which for most game animals is missing the vitals with a dead center hold anyway. You'd have better ballistics at further distances, but again, if you aren't shooting over 400yds, who cares? |
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Posted: 10/16/2014 10:59:20 PM EDT
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I'm curious now, in your opinion what are pros and cons of the "Hunter", and the "Sass"?, I have never held either of them, weight is not an issue as I am sitting in my game winner big boy tree stand with a solid shooting rail... To my knowledge they both pretty much have the same internals (minus the trigger is supposedly better in the Sass). Does barrel length make that much difference in the .308 caliber? For a hog gun given the parameters you have specified, even NFA SBR's will be plenty, but will require a DIY or custom route. Comparing the Recon and the Hunter, the 20" Hunter is a much better balanced gun in the hands. I held and inspected them all at SHOT, and as soon as I held the SASS and Recon, I had no interest in them. The reason is the unnecessary weight and the outdated handguards they used on them. True, you don't need anything over a 16" barrel, however, if you want a well balanced rifle that responds to your input immediately, the 20" GII is the one to have. It will point more naturally, has carbon fiber and polymer for all the places you will rest your bloody hands on in the cold, and just feels right. You know that feeling when you pick up a rifle and it says to you, "You like me, don't you?" That's just my perspective on it. The SASS and Recon will have most of their handguards immediately removed by their owners and replaced with lighter ones. Another advantage to the GII Hunter is the RLGS and smoother recoil impulse from a 20" gun. This will make follow-up and spotting your own hits more likely if you drive it right. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:39:25 PM EDT
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Another vote for the G2 Hunter, handles great, smooth recoil, impressive fit and finish. I was out last weekend testing loads with a buddy, was getting right at 1 inch groups with some 150g SSA loads I had, my buddy passed me two factory Barnes 150g TSX rounds that he had left over, shot our 200 yard target hit the first and though I missed the second until we looked at it and saw they were nearly overlapping. Now I doubt I could have done it 3 more times but it still impressed me.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 9:59:15 PM EDT
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Hmm, .308 gas gun would not be my hog choice. For sure not 18"
10.5" .300blk, 12" .458 socom, 14.5" .308 Did I miss where you said what ranges you predict at which to take shots? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:15:09 PM EDT
[#13]
What part of Texas are you located at?
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Posted: 10/18/2014 5:42:27 AM EDT
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Right now, my stand is roughly 60 yards from the feeder they keep knocking over.., but another property I'll be hunting has available shots up to a few hundred yards...
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Posted: 10/18/2014 5:43:52 AM EDT
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East side of Cooke county, (northeast edge of Ray Roberts lake)
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Posted: 10/19/2014 12:57:50 AM EDT
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In that price range Armalite or DPMS or M&P-10 would all treat you well I would think. Don't think you'll ever need it, but I see DPMS on these forums and they seem to go far in taking care of any issues that pop up.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 3:24:49 PM EDT
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/kxq9ouj9n33kt62/20141018_235258.jpg?dl=0[/img]
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w9byewpgypbwhoo/20141018_235636.jpg?dl=0[/img] Saturday nights results... with a 7 mag that is.. (one bullet, two hogs) |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 5:07:51 PM EDT
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What bullet were you using? You slayed them both with one twofer head shot it appears.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:30:09 PM EDT
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I run two 16" Armalite guns for night hunting. They are easier to swing for follow up shots. 308's
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:36:33 PM EDT
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I got a gen1 dpms lightweight hunter , comes in at 9.5 with scope and the 20" barrel and 10 rd magazine. No complaints at all with it. Shot better , lighter , and better trigger than my buddies ar10t.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:38:29 PM EDT
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I got a gen1 dpms lightweight hunter , comes in at 9.5 with scope and the 20" barrel and 10 rd magazine. No complaints at all with it. Shot better , lighter , and better trigger than my buddies ar10t.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:40:31 PM EDT
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I hunt in montague county. I got the g2 ap4, would not buy another type of ar10 in that price range.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:04:20 AM EDT
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Mossy Oak/Federal 160 grain Deer Thug
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:19:20 PM EDT
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On the subject of the .458 socom..., who all makes an available upper?
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Posted: 10/21/2014 6:23:18 PM EDT
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On the subject of the .458 socom..., who all makes an available upper? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/658260__458_socom_questions_.html RRA .458 SOCOM |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 1:33:38 PM EDT
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I went ahead and got the gen 2 sass, I am curious, is the charging handle supposed to move in unicen with the bolt when firing? It seems a little dangerous, popped my nose a couple of times...
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Posted: 10/27/2014 2:16:57 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the subject of the .458 socom..., who all makes an available upper? |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:13:55 PM EDT
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I went ahead and got the gen 2 sass, I am curious, is the charging handle supposed to move in unicen with the bolt when firing? It seems a little dangerous, popped my nose a couple of times... No, it is not supposed to lose tension on the latch and allow reciprocation of the charge handle into your nose. Does the SASS GII have the Badger tac latch by any chance? It still should not do that. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:19:05 PM EDT
[#29]
Not sure which one that is, does it have a little extension piece on the left side?, acts as a kind of a locking latch..
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:35:48 PM EDT
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Not sure which one that is, does it have a little extension piece on the left side?, acts as a kind of a locking latch.. Does it look like this: 
That's a Badger Ordnance tac latch. I would prefer a PRI latch for the GII until someone comes out with a superior charge handle design for it akin to the Gunfighter or the Raptor. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:01:40 PM EDT
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Does it look like this: http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r554/drewjordan/20140404_115907_zpse441bc7f.jpg That's a Badger Ordnance tac latch. I would prefer a PRI latch for the GII until someone comes out with a superior charge handle design for it akin to the Gunfighter or the Raptor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure which one that is, does it have a little extension piece on the left side?, acts as a kind of a locking latch.. Does it look like this: http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r554/drewjordan/20140404_115907_zpse441bc7f.jpg That's a Badger Ordnance tac latch. I would prefer a PRI latch for the GII until someone comes out with a superior charge handle design for it akin to the Gunfighter or the Raptor. I assume you can't use a gunfighter because the bolt carrier is proprietary? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 4:21:05 PM EDT
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DPMS GII charge handle is longer than an AR15's, and shorter than the SR25/ArmaLite Inc./LR-308 charge handles. If they had made it AR15 length, it would have left a gap into the receivers just behind the charge handle.
I think SLR Rifleworks is already developing a Renegade CH for the GII. 
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Posted: 10/27/2014 5:13:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Yep, looks like that one...
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Posted: 10/27/2014 5:14:02 PM EDT
[#34]
I have no idea.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 5:15:58 PM EDT
[#35]
Next question, if there a way to fix it, or is an unoperational ch what I get for buying a DPMS?
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Posted: 10/27/2014 5:25:27 PM EDT
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Next question, if there a way to fix it, or is an unoperational ch what I get for buying a DPMS? There could be a few things going on: * Charge handle latch recess not deep enough. Measure the depth of that recess and report it here. * CH latch spring binding on something in the CH * Badger latch has improper latch lip, maybe a burr or other defect that is causing this. Normally we see this on cheap 6061 aluminum uppers that have been cycled a lot, especially with a Badger latch. Once the edge of the recess for the latch becomes worn, the CH flies back during operation of the gun. Use logic when looking at these areas, and then post what you see. The recess should be of substantial depth, like .070". There is a wide variation in this dimensions on AR15 receivers on the after market, because most manufacturers overlook it. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 6:20:41 PM EDT
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I think I found the problem, look at this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hpgl6buw4yg167u/20141027_170435-1.jpg?dl=0[/img] https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8sy6dlyqpb0oca/20141027_170343-1.jpg?dl=0[/img] |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 6:33:44 PM EDT
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Not a good sign at all. Why is the aluminum wearing out like that on a new gun, that has 7075T6 aluminum receivers?
The heart of the GII is a matched pair of forged, level III anodized, Teflon* coated 7075 receivers, providing improved strength and durability. If those are Type III anodized on 7075 aluminum, we should not be seeing that. The aluminum appears to be very soft. How long have you had the rifle and how many times have you cycled the action? Are we talking Karate chop drills, or normal operation of the action? That thing is worn way down. I'm also seeing evidence that something has nicked the front edge of the latch recess, enough to expose aluminum in an area that the latch should not articulate with. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 6:46:10 PM EDT
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I got this piece of shit Thursday, and it has been fired 16 times.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 6:58:16 PM EDT
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I got this piece of shit Thursday, and it has been fired 16 times. Get a hold of DPMS. They usually watch what is going on here, or you can post in the industry forum. I just looked at my DPMS LR-308 receiver set that I used as a basis for a custom build .260 Remington, and it looks nothing like that after years of use, and that is with 6061 extrusions with a questionable hard coat. |
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:15:19 PM EDT
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Looks soft. As though it either did not get the T6 heat treat, or the hard anodize process, or both. Rather bothersome.
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Posted: 10/28/2014 9:23:34 AM EDT
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Mossy Oak/Federal 160 grain Deer Thug mossy oak makes ammo now? wtf.... |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 1:11:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Yeah, I've only found it at wal mart, around 30 bucks... it's the most consistent factory ammo I've found.
www.dropbox.com/s/ddstrzw0xfvt4rd/PicsArt_1404083289252.jpg?dl=0[/img] |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 1:19:59 PM EDT
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Did you get a hold of DPMS yet?
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:13:49 PM EDT
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Yeah, they're going to have me send it back for repairs, pretty shitty to get a new gun right before hunting season, and have to return it for half the season... never buying DPMS again!
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:19:54 PM EDT
[#46]
Sorry man, that stinks.
I have been tossing a GII around in my head but stories like this will probably make me pass. Doc |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:19:55 AM EDT
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Badger latch come on the G2 SASS? I've tried most of the aftermarket tac latches and right now I've settled on the Black Rain as best all around latch. Haven't tried the PRI though. Wonder if that Badger has a burr that's augering the upper?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 1:35:05 AM EDT
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Well guess you can say that the gen2 is atleast season changer any way
Must still be in the teething process on their upper receivers, isn't it great how all that R&D and engineering makes all the difference. I was close to picking one up and remembered my last DPMS purchase and I backed away from it Hope they put it on a fast track turn around for you |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:02:54 AM EDT
[#49]
Nope, the latch is clean, the DPMS gen2 sass is crap!
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:12:58 PM EDT
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Dang, I had the local guy lookin for me one. I was wondering how they ran.
Maybe I will stick to my regular diet. 
Holy shit batman!!!!!!!! 
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