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Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
If you have 1680, it is like gold in the .277 Wlv. I have not been able to put my hands on any for testing, but those that have it, have had really good results. View Quote I have it left over from when I was working with the 25-223. It was hard to find then but I just lucked into some on a store shelf. |
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Well, that's going all in!!!
At least you should be able to sell the brass for a lot more than your new brass will cost. |
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Originally Posted By tammons:
I have it left over from when I was working with the 25-223. It was hard to find then but I just lucked into some on a store shelf. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tammons:
Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
If you have 1680, it is like gold in the .277 Wlv. I have not been able to put my hands on any for testing, but those that have it, have had really good results. I have it left over from when I was working with the 25-223. It was hard to find then but I just lucked into some on a store shelf. Like Gump, I would rather be lucky than smart!! I sure wish I would have been smart enough to buy some when it was plentiful. |
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Originally Posted By tammons:
I have it left over from when I was working with the 25-223. It was hard to find then but I just lucked into some on a store shelf. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tammons:
Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
If you have 1680, it is like gold in the .277 Wlv. I have not been able to put my hands on any for testing, but those that have it, have had really good results. I have it left over from when I was working with the 25-223. It was hard to find then but I just lucked into some on a store shelf. If you have some 110's then 1200R isn't too bad. I have mostly 110's loaded. I also get 90TNT loaded ammo from JB's when he has them. |
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1200R is the only powder I use.
I have loaded/tested 100-120 grain bullets. It works well for these heavier bullets and has given me pretty good velocity. |
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Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
Well, that's going all in!!! At least you should be able to sell the brass for a lot more than your new brass will cost. View Quote The 6.8 belongs to my 94 YO father in the form of a Mini 14 so its a keeper. Its strictly hunting only and only a few shots a year. I have been playing around the mausers lately and the only AR I have right now is a 358 Gremlin, but am considering a 2nd upper in 277 wolverine. I have 3k of 1x 5.56 brass so I can make brass if need be but I think I will just buy it already formed if I go that route. I will be loading primarily the 85 gr tsx, 95 gr ttsx and the 82 gr Raptor but I have also loaded the light pro hunter in 6.8 spc so may load some of those eventually. |
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I formed my first 500 casings. I will not be doing that again. Time, equipment wear and tear, and affordability make it crazy to make your own.
Check out the website above for more info on the Wolverine. There are a couple brass vendors and I have had great personal success with JBFA. |
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Yes I saw the brass venders.
358 Gremlin brass is enough of a PIA to make that I would rather not have to make 277 wolverine brass too but the option is there at least and its cheap. |
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Well the .277 brass and barrel are ordered. Just need some dies now. I may have some 6.8 SPC stuff up for sale soon..
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I really need to get some scratch saved up for a barrel or 2.
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Originally Posted By Cag40Navy:
I really need to get some scratch saved up for a barrel or 2. View Quote I don't know if there will be a better time... barrels are $165 shipped right now. We've been coming along with the subs testing. So far 200 and 180 grain bullets are running just fine. Might need to open the ports .010 or so so that one can use more powders and/or no can. 150's and 130's are presenting a little bit of a challenge, but we'Re getting there. |
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Not a problem. I ordered some ready to go brass. I'm thinking I should be able to seat bullets with my 6.8 SPC seating die to get her shooting.
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Sorry about the dies... they only sent out a partial order on me last round. Hoping the balance come in soon. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By cb4017:
Well the .277 brass and barrel are ordered. Just need some dies now. I may have some 6.8 SPC stuff up for sale soon.. Sorry about the dies... they only sent out a partial order on me last round. Hoping the balance come in soon. |
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Originally Posted By cb4017:
Not a problem. I ordered some ready to go brass. I'm thinking I should be able to seat bullets with my 6.8 SPC seating die to get her shooting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cb4017:
Not a problem. I ordered some ready to go brass. I'm thinking I should be able to seat bullets with my 6.8 SPC seating die to get her shooting. Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By cb4017:
Well the .277 brass and barrel are ordered. Just need some dies now. I may have some 6.8 SPC stuff up for sale soon.. Sorry about the dies... they only sent out a partial order on me last round. Hoping the balance come in soon. You sure can! The 6.8 seater works in a pinch. |
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Very nice build. Glad to hear you like it!
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Just a heads up for those that may have been curious...
With our 1:7 twist barrels we're able to cycle 200, 180 and even 150 grain bullets subsonic. This is a huge step/development. You can now run supers and subs through the same barrels... 200 grain at 1050 or 90 grain at 2700. We'll be back with videos, load data, etc. once we get it all organized. |
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Just a heads up for those that may have been curious... With our 1:7 twist barrels we're able to cycle 200, 180 and even 150 grain bullets subsonic. This is a huge step/development. You can now run supers and subs through the same barrels... 200 grain at 1050 or 90 grain at 2700. We'll be back with videos, load data, etc. once we get it all organized. View Quote 16" going to be possible? |
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We just finished with the 10.5" barrels. 12.5" next, 16" after that.
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Just a heads up for those that may have been curious... With our 1:7 twist barrels we're able to cycle 200, 180 and even 150 grain bullets subsonic. This is a huge step/development. You can now run supers and subs through the same barrels... 200 grain at 1050 or 90 grain at 2700. We'll be back with videos, load data, etc. once we get it all organized. View Quote Will the 1:11 barrels stabilize 150 subs? That would be cool! I would line to have that capability on my 18 |
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Will the 1:11 barrels stabilize 150 subs? That would be cool! I would line to have that capability on my 18 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Just a heads up for those that may have been curious... With our 1:7 twist barrels we're able to cycle 200, 180 and even 150 grain bullets subsonic. This is a huge step/development. You can now run supers and subs through the same barrels... 200 grain at 1050 or 90 grain at 2700. We'll be back with videos, load data, etc. once we get it all organized. Will the 1:11 barrels stabilize 150 subs? That would be cool! I would line to have that capability on my 18 The heaviest bullet that a 1:11 twist barrels are known to stabilize is the 130 grain... barely; you may be able to stabilize a 130-150 grain with a 1:10 twist, but I would not be confident enough to say yes and run it through a can without diligently testing it on paper first. If it is at all keyholing as it leaves the muzzle you will ruin your can. EDIT: When I said "run subs and supers through the same barrels" above, I was referring to the 1:7 twist, not the 1:10 or 1:11 twist. Sorry for any confusion there. |
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So what twist would be best for 90 to 120 gr bullets?
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The 6.8 community and reputable folks say 1:11. I think 1:10 does the job, too.
Thing is, it would appear as though the 1:7 twist barrels are shooting the 90-110 grain bullets just fine so far. Which means a 1:7 twist barrel might be "more ideal" for heavies/subs, and runs the supers/lights just fine, too. We're still doing a lot of testing, but so far so good on the 1:7's. |
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10.5" 1:7 with an 85MPG just dropped a Yote at 150 yards about an hour ago. I guess it works just fine ha.
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
The heaviest bullet that a 1:11 twist barrels are known to stabilize is the 130 grain... barely; you may be able to stabilize a 130-150 grain with a 1:10 twist, but I would not be confident enough to say yes and run it through a can without diligently testing it on paper first. If it is at all keyholing as it leaves the muzzle you will ruin your can. EDIT: When I said "run subs and supers through the same barrels" above, I was referring to the 1:7 twist, not the 1:10 or 1:11 twist. Sorry for any confusion there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Just a heads up for those that may have been curious... With our 1:7 twist barrels we're able to cycle 200, 180 and even 150 grain bullets subsonic. This is a huge step/development. You can now run supers and subs through the same barrels... 200 grain at 1050 or 90 grain at 2700. We'll be back with videos, load data, etc. once we get it all organized. Will the 1:11 barrels stabilize 150 subs? That would be cool! I would line to have that capability on my 18 The heaviest bullet that a 1:11 twist barrels are known to stabilize is the 130 grain... barely; you may be able to stabilize a 130-150 grain with a 1:10 twist, but I would not be confident enough to say yes and run it through a can without diligently testing it on paper first. If it is at all keyholing as it leaves the muzzle you will ruin your can. EDIT: When I said "run subs and supers through the same barrels" above, I was referring to the 1:7 twist, not the 1:10 or 1:11 twist. Sorry for any confusion there. welp... looks like i'm gonna need a new barrel eventually... THE DISEASE IS REAL!!!! (i'm on my 4th infection). Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
The 6.8 community and reputable folks say 1:11. I think 1:10 does the job, too. Thing is, it would appear as though the 1:7 twist barrels are shooting the 90-110 grain bullets just fine so far. Which means a 1:7 twist barrel might be "more ideal" for heavies/subs, and runs the supers/lights just fine, too. We're still doing a lot of testing, but so far so good on the 1:7's. Seems like 1/9 might be an ideal compromise. |
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
welp... looks like i'm gonna need a new barrel eventually... THE DISEASE IS REAL!!!! (i'm on my 4th infection). Seems like 1/9 might be an ideal compromise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Just a heads up for those that may have been curious... With our 1:7 twist barrels we're able to cycle 200, 180 and even 150 grain bullets subsonic. This is a huge step/development. You can now run supers and subs through the same barrels... 200 grain at 1050 or 90 grain at 2700. We'll be back with videos, load data, etc. once we get it all organized. Will the 1:11 barrels stabilize 150 subs? That would be cool! I would line to have that capability on my 18 The heaviest bullet that a 1:11 twist barrels are known to stabilize is the 130 grain... barely; you may be able to stabilize a 130-150 grain with a 1:10 twist, but I would not be confident enough to say yes and run it through a can without diligently testing it on paper first. If it is at all keyholing as it leaves the muzzle you will ruin your can. EDIT: When I said "run subs and supers through the same barrels" above, I was referring to the 1:7 twist, not the 1:10 or 1:11 twist. Sorry for any confusion there. welp... looks like i'm gonna need a new barrel eventually... THE DISEASE IS REAL!!!! (i'm on my 4th infection). Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
The 6.8 community and reputable folks say 1:11. I think 1:10 does the job, too. Thing is, it would appear as though the 1:7 twist barrels are shooting the 90-110 grain bullets just fine so far. Which means a 1:7 twist barrel might be "more ideal" for heavies/subs, and runs the supers/lights just fine, too. We're still doing a lot of testing, but so far so good on the 1:7's. Seems like 1/9 might be an ideal compromise. 1:9 won't stabilize the heavies. |
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Finalized the 100AB hunting load today. I also took some pictures while I had some decent light.
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Anyone know if the barrels are still on sale. The website shows $195. I probably missed it
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Hey Mark,
Any intel on when dies may become available, Hornady or Lee? |
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The 1:7 is more than enough to stabilize the 100AB, barrels are on sale for $156 shipped right now using coupon code "barrels" at checkout, and dies should be back in stock soon.
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Ok, I believe I'm gonna pull the trigger on this cartridge so I go to the website and pick the barrel I want but it's 1:11 twist. It will be an 18 inch barrel and it will be used mostly for hunting. I don't think I'll shooting anything heavier than 130gr, probably 80 to 110gr. So my question to you, is this the best twist for my needs?
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Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
Ok, I believe I'm gonna pull the trigger on this cartridge so I go to the website and pick the barrel I want but it's 1:11 twist. It will be an 18 inch barrel and it will be used mostly for hunting. I don't think I'll shooting anything heavier than 130gr, probably 80 to 110gr. So my question to you, is this the best twist for my needs? View Quote This is the barrel I've got. Only shot 110 grain Hornady VMAX and HPBT through it so far but it's been shooting great. I was going to chronograph it today but my chrono battery was dying.. |
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Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
Ok, I believe I'm gonna pull the trigger on this cartridge so I go to the website and pick the barrel I want but it's 1:11 twist. It will be an 18 inch barrel and it will be used mostly for hunting. I don't think I'll shooting anything heavier than 130gr, probably 80 to 110gr. So my question to you, is this the best twist for my needs? View Quote Yes. If you don't plan on running subs, the 1:11 twist is what you want. Ideal for 75-110 grain bullets, which are ideal for the cartridge. |
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I have the 18" and have shot 100 gr SP to 120 gr SST out of it with good results with velocity. The 120 SST had some accuracy issues in my barrel when pushed to fast(2350+) with a lot of powder compression. I had to back off to just under 2300 to get "hunting" accuracy.
I did not test the 130 SST, but the bullet shank from the cannelure down is supposed to be the same length(only the ogive is or longer), but it should work. Velocity will likely be 2250-ish or less, but it will have excellent terminal ballistics. You pulled the trigger on a good round. I fully expect it to mainstream like the .300 Blk did, but it will be better for hunting because it excels at supersonic compared to the .300. Check out the wolverine forum for more load data and other info. |
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Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
I have the 18" and have shot 100 gr SP to 120 gr SST out of it with good results with velocity. The 120 SST had some accuracy issues in my barrel when pushed to fast(2350+) with a lot of powder compression. I had to back off to just under 2300 to get "hunting" accuracy. I did not test the 130 SST, but the bullet shank from the cannelure down is supposed to be the same length(only the ogive is or longer), but it should work. Velocity will likely be 2250-ish or less, but it will have excellent terminal ballistics. You pulled the trigger on a good round. I fully expect it to mainstream like the .300 Blk did, but it will be better for hunting because it excels at supersonic compared to the .300. Check out the wolverine forum for more load data and other info. View Quote I'm glad to hear that, this is to replace my .300BLK for hunting. |
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Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
I'm glad to hear that, this is to replace my .300BLK for hunting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
I have the 18" and have shot 100 gr SP to 120 gr SST out of it with good results with velocity. The 120 SST had some accuracy issues in my barrel when pushed to fast(2350+) with a lot of powder compression. I had to back off to just under 2300 to get "hunting" accuracy. I did not test the 130 SST, but the bullet shank from the cannelure down is supposed to be the same length(only the ogive is or longer), but it should work. Velocity will likely be 2250-ish or less, but it will have excellent terminal ballistics. You pulled the trigger on a good round. I fully expect it to mainstream like the .300 Blk did, but it will be better for hunting because it excels at supersonic compared to the .300. Check out the wolverine forum for more load data and other info. I'm glad to hear that, this is to replace my .300BLK for hunting. Congrats! |
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Nice build!
There is a WLV pic thread.... |
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Well I just ordered my barrel, YAaaa
I was at Larry's Pistol & Pawn in Huntsville to see if they could/would order some .277 WLV ammo and he said if he got enough interest he would. Hopefully interest picks up where I live so I can just buy ammo locally. |
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DrkHrs,
You make a point. Even though I reload, there wont be interest to the average shooter until there is ammo on the shelf. Of course, it is going to take some more effort to get people to understand what an awesome round it is to then get a gun chambered for it, whether AR-based or a bolt gun. But, I believe in this round AND that it is on the way to that acceptance. The .277 is an excellent choice for those simply wanting to hunt with an AR15, but it is also a great and capable option for taking big game when a person is recoil sensitive or youth hunters. For example, my sister in law is simply scared of guns that kick, but is fine with an AR15. After some effort to get her to try it, my wife even likes her pink AR! |
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I would like to get into reloading but the expense of the equipment needed just to get started is crazy.
I found some equipment on Armslist for a good price but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'll get piece by piece until I have what I need. |
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Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
I would like to get into reloading but the expense of the equipment needed just to get started is crazy. I found some equipment on Armslist for a good price but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'll get piece by piece until I have what I need. View Quote You don't have to go super fancy for reloading. Progressive machines is where the big money is, but with big money comes great speed. You could get by with a cheap press and dies for now. Buy your brass "ready to load" from JB, and all you need for now is primers, powder, and a seater die(hint hint, a 6.8 seater works in a pinch until you get .277 dies). Make sure that press is equipped to prime or get a hand primer. All the equipment and supplies you need could cost you less than $100 with really good shopping skills. Also, it really helps knowing someone else that reloads and that would save you even more. You really need to check out the reloading forum so I am not going to get too much off the thread topic of the .277. |
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Oh my bad. Will look for it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Originally Posted By gtfoxy:
Nice build! There is a WLV pic thread.... Oh my bad. Will look for it. gt wasn't saying you posted in the wrong place, just that you could see more .277 builds in the thread. Nice build BTW!! |
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Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
You don't have to go super fancy for reloading. Progressive machines is where the big money is, but with big money comes great speed. You could get by with a cheap press and dies for now. Buy your brass "ready to load" from JB, and all you need for now is primers, powder, and a seater die(hint hint, a 6.8 seater works in a pinch until you get .277 dies). Make sure that press is equipped to prime or get a hand primer. All the equipment and supplies you need could cost you less than $100 with really good shopping skills. Also, it really helps knowing someone else that reloads and that would save you even more. You really need to check out the reloading forum so I am not going to get too much off the thread topic of the .277. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
I would like to get into reloading but the expense of the equipment needed just to get started is crazy. I found some equipment on Armslist for a good price but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'll get piece by piece until I have what I need. You don't have to go super fancy for reloading. Progressive machines is where the big money is, but with big money comes great speed. You could get by with a cheap press and dies for now. Buy your brass "ready to load" from JB, and all you need for now is primers, powder, and a seater die(hint hint, a 6.8 seater works in a pinch until you get .277 dies). Make sure that press is equipped to prime or get a hand primer. All the equipment and supplies you need could cost you less than $100 with really good shopping skills. Also, it really helps knowing someone else that reloads and that would save you even more. You really need to check out the reloading forum so I am not going to get too much off the thread topic of the .277. Ummmm, 100, really? I found this on armslist "lightly used rcbs rock chucker iv press, uniflow powder measure w/ stand, rcbs beam scale $200". It will be much more than $100 bux. I have done much research and my dad and uncle reloaded so I do know a little bit. I'll just buy loaded ammo for a while and save the brass. I'm going to get a 2A Armament Ti Gas Block and a SlimTwisted flash hider next. |
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Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
gt wasn't saying you posted in the wrong place, just that you could see more .277 builds in the thread. Nice build BTW!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Originally Posted By gtfoxy:
Nice build! There is a WLV pic thread.... Oh my bad. Will look for it. gt wasn't saying you posted in the wrong place, just that you could see more .277 builds in the thread. Nice build BTW!! Yes no ill intent. It was a cordial invitation to share. Ill save you the time bro, WLV pic thread |
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Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
Ummmm, 100, really? I found this on armslist "lightly used rcbs rock chucker iv press, uniflow powder measure w/ stand, rcbs beam scale $200". It will be much more than $100 bux. I have done much research and my dad and uncle reloaded so I do know a little bit. I'll just buy loaded ammo for a while and save the brass. I'm going to get a 2A Armament Ti Gas Block and a SlimTwisted flash hider next. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
Originally Posted By lizARdman15:
Originally Posted By DrkHorse57:
I would like to get into reloading but the expense of the equipment needed just to get started is crazy. I found some equipment on Armslist for a good price but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'll get piece by piece until I have what I need. You don't have to go super fancy for reloading. Progressive machines is where the big money is, but with big money comes great speed. You could get by with a cheap press and dies for now. Buy your brass "ready to load" from JB, and all you need for now is primers, powder, and a seater die(hint hint, a 6.8 seater works in a pinch until you get .277 dies). Make sure that press is equipped to prime or get a hand primer. All the equipment and supplies you need could cost you less than $100 with really good shopping skills. Also, it really helps knowing someone else that reloads and that would save you even more. You really need to check out the reloading forum so I am not going to get too much off the thread topic of the .277. Ummmm, 100, really? I found this on armslist "lightly used rcbs rock chucker iv press, uniflow powder measure w/ stand, rcbs beam scale $200". It will be much more than $100 bux. I have done much research and my dad and uncle reloaded so I do know a little bit. I'll just buy loaded ammo for a while and save the brass. I'm going to get a 2A Armament Ti Gas Block and a SlimTwisted flash hider next. He's trying to help point you in a cheaper direction. If you buy the sized, ready to load brass, a used single stage press, .223 shellholder, hand primer, and 6.8 seating die, cheap powder scale can be had for $100. Anything else will cost extra most certainly. If you want a full kit to do case prep to seating, yes you can spend all you want. Glad to have you on the team. Drop us a line any time you need help/have questions if you like. |
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