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Has anyone here tried the LMT DMR 308 stock by chance? Would like some input as to fitament on a carbine milspec ar15 stock, does it lock up well? thanks
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Jesus Christ. Did somebody seriously throw their shit in the river? How fucking childish can we get in here?
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Jesus Christ. Did somebody seriously throw their shit in the river? How fucking childish can we get in here? View Quote I highly doubt it. All smoke out the rectum. IMO, the new stuff is good in the sense of more interest in the 308 ARs. But, too many people rebranding sub standard gear, and its not good. Stick with what's known. Is up to us customers, consumers, to set the standard. The parts are there, the ingredients are there, but the recipe gets screwed up by trying to save a few bucks. Armalite or JP buffer system, period. Use their springs, with their buffers. I think the Armalite bcg is better designed, the JP is good for its intended purpose, which is competition. I think the Armalite is best suited for duty. I've held both the Armalite and DPMS bcg in hand, and the Armalite just felt, looked, and seemed better in all aspects i could tell with my eyes and hands. Very few things pop up in any Google search about bad armalite parts. I guess what I'm getting at, it's not worth trying to save a few bucks buying off brand stuff when it comes to the AR10 platform. This MaTen FAQ should be evidence enough for people. If they would just read the entire thing from page 1..... |
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Can someone please tell me the overal length of the Rifle with a 20" barrel? Im trying to find a good drag bag to get, I was looking at the voodoo tactical ultimate drag bag but it's 51" and I think that might be too long.
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So you all know we use Trident Weaponry for our Cerakote. Ben over there does a great job. They use all Cerakote colors. They do hundreds of HG's a month for us and I've only had happy customers as a result. Usually adds a week but sometimes a bit longer if he is really swamped.
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Atta boy Now just choose a bigger size from the drop down above the BB Code link. Ex: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qm8V8N" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8634/15980436880_fe8789ba04_b.jpg</a>MEGA MA-10 .308 by wareagle700, on Flickr View Quote Is that an ergo grip? And what color is it? Slick looking rifle |
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If anybody salvages that jammed up receiver out of the Chesapeake Bay, you can probably jiggle that stuck cam pin around with a straightened paper clip. BTDT.
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All black. Might be the lighting that makes it look different.
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I highly doubt it. All smoke out the rectum. IMO, the new stuff is good in the sense of more interest in the 308 ARs. But, too many people rebranding sub standard gear, and its not good. Stick with what's known. Is up to us customers, consumers, to set the standard. The parts are there, the ingredients are there, but the recipe gets screwed up by trying to save a few bucks. Armalite or JP buffer system, period. Use their springs, with their buffers. I think the Armalite bcg is better designed, the JP is good for its intended purpose, which is competition. I think the Armalite is best suited for duty. I've held both the Armalite and DPMS bcg in hand, and the Armalite just felt, looked, and seemed better in all aspects i could tell with my eyes and hands. Very few things pop up in any Google search about bad armalite parts. I guess what I'm getting at, it's not worth trying to save a few bucks buying off brand stuff when it comes to the AR10 platform. This MaTen FAQ should be evidence enough for people. If they would just read the entire thing from page 1..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Jesus Christ. Did somebody seriously throw their shit in the river? How fucking childish can we get in here? I highly doubt it. All smoke out the rectum. IMO, the new stuff is good in the sense of more interest in the 308 ARs. But, too many people rebranding sub standard gear, and its not good. Stick with what's known. Is up to us customers, consumers, to set the standard. The parts are there, the ingredients are there, but the recipe gets screwed up by trying to save a few bucks. Armalite or JP buffer system, period. Use their springs, with their buffers. I think the Armalite bcg is better designed, the JP is good for its intended purpose, which is competition. I think the Armalite is best suited for duty. I've held both the Armalite and DPMS bcg in hand, and the Armalite just felt, looked, and seemed better in all aspects i could tell with my eyes and hands. Very few things pop up in any Google search about bad armalite parts. I guess what I'm getting at, it's not worth trying to save a few bucks buying off brand stuff when it comes to the AR10 platform. This MaTen FAQ should be evidence enough for people. If they would just read the entire thing from page 1..... This x1000. My first few big-frame AR's were Armalite, and while a small sample size, I never had a problem with them. They cycled everything, including mil-surp 147gr crap. All of my non-DPMS AR308's were finicky, but the least finicky was my Noveske MA-TEN build using Armalite parts. I won't name the company, but I've seen a handful of issues with one well known distributor of barrels from people I know that have built large frame ARs. Having a 100% money back guarantee helps, but it's not going to cover the doubts and uncertainty and frustrations you may come across with the platform. I think people should understand that with large frame ARs, you have to pick two of the following: cheap, reliable or custom. The second you go custom, cheap and reliable no longer go together. At least in my first hand experience with 3 MA-TENs. |
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Has anyone here tried factory hornady 150gr sst performance loads in their maten? anyone have issues w/non adjustable gas block guns w/this ammo?
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Has anyone here tried factory hornady 150gr sst performance loads in their maten? anyone have issues w/non adjustable gas block guns w/this ammo? View Quote You might want to do a search on using Superformance ammo in a semi auto. It's officially frowned on. What length barrel and gas system do you have? It's murder in a carbine, really bad on a mid length and not great on a rifle. Gas block won't solve that, you simply have a lot of pressure in the system and a gas block limits flow, not pressure. |
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Quoted: You might want to do a search on using Superformance ammo in a semi auto. It's officially frowned on. What length barrel and gas system do you have? It's murder in a carbine, really bad on a mid length and not great on a rifle. Gas block won't solve that, you simply have a lot of pressure in the system and a gas block limits flow, not pressure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone here tried factory hornady 150gr sst performance loads in their maten? anyone have issues w/non adjustable gas block guns w/this ammo? You might want to do a search on using Superformance ammo in a semi auto. It's officially frowned on. What length barrel and gas system do you have? It's murder in a carbine, really bad on a mid length and not great on a rifle. Gas block won't solve that, you simply have a lot of pressure in the system and a gas block limits flow, not pressure. |
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Quoted: You might want to do a search on using Superformance ammo in a semi auto. It's officially frowned on. What length barrel and gas system do you have? It's murder in a carbine, really bad on a mid length and not great on a rifle. Gas block won't solve that, you simply have a lot of pressure in the system and a gas block limits flow, not pressure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone here tried factory hornady 150gr sst performance loads in their maten? anyone have issues w/non adjustable gas block guns w/this ammo? You might want to do a search on using Superformance ammo in a semi auto. It's officially frowned on. What length barrel and gas system do you have? It's murder in a carbine, really bad on a mid length and not great on a rifle. Gas block won't solve that, you simply have a lot of pressure in the system and a gas block limits flow, not pressure. I am going to mostly agree and ask a question. I have often wondered about this myself because I love the Superperformance stuff in my bolt actions. The Hornady website on the topic does say that an adjustable gasblock is required if you are using a semi-auto; it doesn't say under no circumstances should one try it. I totally agree that anything less than midlength is way to high on the pressure curve. Midlength seems like it should be ok with an adjustable block. As for an adjustable gas block limiting flow and not pressure, I will agree-- OVER TIME. If given enough time, yes, the pressures will equalize. However, greatly limiting that flow means that it never gets the chance. If that weren't true then an adjustable gas block would never work at all. You have a volume and a pressure on one side and a volume and (lower) pressure on the other side. Restricting the gas flow means it will take a [much] longer time for those pressures to equalize. To bring this back on topic, anyone here have any experience getting 308 (or 708 or 243, etc) Superformance working in a MEGA? -Stooxie |
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It might work but will depend on the individual barrel, how it is chambered, and the gas/recoil system. No way to tell without trying it.
I can't think of a good reason to try it though. It will be hard on the rifle, most likely will cause cycling problems, and in my experience with Superformance, some of the least accurate ammo I have ever shot. AR's run best with mild loads. Chasing velocity and pressure signs is not what these things are for. Get a bolt gun for that. |
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Quoted: It might work but will depend on the individual barrel, how it is chambered, and the gas/recoil system. No way to tell without trying it. I can't think of a good reason to try it though. It will be hard on the rifle, most likely will cause cycling problems, and in my experience with Superformance, some of the least accurate ammo I have ever shot. AR's run best with mild loads. Chasing velocity and pressure signs is not what these things are for. Get a bolt gun for that. View Quote Good point.... no sense in pushing it. -Stooxie |
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With an ambedextrious lower what all am I gonna need for the lower parts kit?
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Just ordered MKM receiver. I'm building it with a carbine stock, either Magpul CTR, ACR, or ACR-L haven't decided. My question is on buffer and tube. Should I get 7" milspec AR15 buffer tube with a Slash CAR-10 buffer or a DPMS LR308 7 3/4" milspec tube and DPMS 308 buffer?
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Quoted: Anyone? AR15 buffer tube or LR308 buffer tube for carbine? View Quote You have confused two different things. It's the Armalite buffer tube that is 7 3/4". The DPMS LR308 carbine tube is the "normal" AR15 length and uses a short buffer. THe Armalite buffer tube can take "normal" AR15 length buffers, i.e. an H3. As to which? Depends on if you want the extra length to increase cycle time. It's a 10% difference in length so probably doesn't make too much difference aside from being able to use standard buffers which can be way cheaper then heavy 308 buffers. The DPMS 308 carbine buffer is pretty cheap. Personally I have used standard length tubes with the DPMS LR308 buffer and spring. If you have an adjustable gas block you shouldn't need heavy buffers. -Stooxie |
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What are you guys using to hold the upper reciever to install your barrels and such? I dont want to splurge for another reaction rod..
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Quoted: What are you guys using to hold the upper reciever to install your barrels and such? I dont want to splurge for another reaction rod.. View Quote OOS @ Midway but that's where I got mine. About half the price of the reaction rod. |
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I use these for everything.
But, i had to dremel a bit off the bottom section because the MaTen upper is wider in that area. It still works for armalite ar10s, and ar15s. But now it also works for MaTen uppers |
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Dpms upper receiver block in .308 OOS @ Midway but that's where I got mine. About half the price of the reaction rod. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137499/dpms-upper-receiver-action-block-lr-308-knights-armament-sr-25-delrin View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What are you guys using to hold the upper reciever to install your barrels and such? I dont want to splurge for another reaction rod.. OOS @ Midway but that's where I got mine. About half the price of the reaction rod. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137499/dpms-upper-receiver-action-block-lr-308-knights-armament-sr-25-delrin Awesome, just wanted to make sure Ma-Tens werent finicky or anything I have currently- Rainier Arms Match grade Barrel 18 maten upper SLR 16 inch keymod solo rail surefire Socom muzzle break SLR clamp on adjustable gas block. Someday...someday... |
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Quoted: I use these for everything. But, i had to dremel a bit off the bottom section because the MaTen upper is wider in that area. It still works for armalite ar10s, and ar15s. But now it also works for MaTen uppers View Quote I do something similar, basically this (not quite the same parts): http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/308-ar-10-lr308-pin-upper-receiver-vise-block I don't trust just securing the base of the upper receiver. I can't get my head around the DPMS Panther Claw either. I like having both the top and the bottom firmly clamped in my vice. Then it's not the upper receiver lugs taking all the torque. -Stooxie |
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I do something similar, basically this (not quite the same parts): http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/308-ar-10-lr308-pin-upper-receiver-vise-block I don't trust just securing the base of the upper receiver. I can't get my head around the DPMS Panther Claw either. I like having both the top and the bottom firmly clamped in my vice. Then it's not the upper receiver lugs taking all the torque. -Stooxie View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I use these for everything. But, i had to dremel a bit off the bottom section because the MaTen upper is wider in that area. It still works for armalite ar10s, and ar15s. But now it also works for MaTen uppers I do something similar, basically this (not quite the same parts): http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/308-ar-10-lr308-pin-upper-receiver-vise-block I don't trust just securing the base of the upper receiver. I can't get my head around the DPMS Panther Claw either. I like having both the top and the bottom firmly clamped in my vice. Then it's not the upper receiver lugs taking all the torque. -Stooxie Yeah, the Panther Claw is a great way to destroy an upper. Right to the garbage with it. Cut two chunks of Walmart cutting board and stick them in the vice with the upper on its side sandwiched. Bam. No twist, no broken uppers |
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Yeah, the Panther Claw is a great way to destroy an upper. Right to the garbage with it. Cut two chunks of Walmart cutting board and stick them in the vice with the upper on its side sandwiched. Bam. No twist, no broken uppers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I use these for everything. But, i had to dremel a bit off the bottom section because the MaTen upper is wider in that area. It still works for armalite ar10s, and ar15s. But now it also works for MaTen uppers I do something similar, basically this (not quite the same parts): http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/308-ar-10-lr308-pin-upper-receiver-vise-block I don't trust just securing the base of the upper receiver. I can't get my head around the DPMS Panther Claw either. I like having both the top and the bottom firmly clamped in my vice. Then it's not the upper receiver lugs taking all the torque. -Stooxie Yeah, the Panther Claw is a great way to destroy an upper. Right to the garbage with it. Cut two chunks of Walmart cutting board and stick them in the vice with the upper on its side sandwiched. Bam. No twist, no broken uppers The Panther claw actually works great once you turn it on its side and clamp the top and bottom in the vise. Do not use it as intended though. I use my AR claw for .308 receivers also, works great on its side. |
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I've used the AR15 version of the DPMS Panther Claw for years (in the correct orientation in the vise) and have really torqued down on it a few times before (like 90 ft-lbs +) with no issues.
What sets the Panther Claw apart from the other vise blocks of similar design, is the part of it that slides up into the upper. That part that goes up inside the receiver is what holds all of the force and keeps it off the pins. I've recently used the .308 Panther Claw (bought within the past month) to barrel my MATEN upper and it fit and worked perfectly with no modification needed. Sandwiching the upper between two cutting board strips in the vise is actually how you can destroy an upper. |
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Quoted: Yeah, the Panther Claw is a great way to destroy an upper. Right to the garbage with it. Cut two chunks of Walmart cutting board and stick them in the vice with the upper on its side sandwiched. Bam. No twist, no broken uppers View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I use these for everything. But, i had to dremel a bit off the bottom section because the MaTen upper is wider in that area. It still works for armalite ar10s, and ar15s. But now it also works for MaTen uppers I do something similar, basically this (not quite the same parts): http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/308-ar-10-lr308-pin-upper-receiver-vise-block I don't trust just securing the base of the upper receiver. I can't get my head around the DPMS Panther Claw either. I like having both the top and the bottom firmly clamped in my vice. Then it's not the upper receiver lugs taking all the torque. -Stooxie Yeah, the Panther Claw is a great way to destroy an upper. Right to the garbage with it. Cut two chunks of Walmart cutting board and stick them in the vice with the upper on its side sandwiched. Bam. No twist, no broken uppers The Panther claw that I hotlinked to worked perfect for me. There was no flex whatsoever, and as a previous poster mentioned, the part that goes inside the upper prevents strain on the pins. |
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You have confused two different things. It's the Armalite buffer tube that is 7 3/4". The DPMS LR308 carbine tube is the "normal" AR15 length and uses a short buffer. THe Armalite buffer tube can take "normal" AR15 length buffers, i.e. an H3. As to which? Depends on if you want the extra length to increase cycle time. It's a 10% difference in length so probably doesn't make too much difference aside from being able to use standard buffers which can be way cheaper then heavy 308 buffers. The DPMS 308 carbine buffer is pretty cheap. Personally I have used standard length tubes with the DPMS LR308 buffer and spring. If you have an adjustable gas block you shouldn't need heavy buffers. -Stooxie View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anyone? AR15 buffer tube or LR308 buffer tube for carbine? You have confused two different things. It's the Armalite buffer tube that is 7 3/4". The DPMS LR308 carbine tube is the "normal" AR15 length and uses a short buffer. THe Armalite buffer tube can take "normal" AR15 length buffers, i.e. an H3. As to which? Depends on if you want the extra length to increase cycle time. It's a 10% difference in length so probably doesn't make too much difference aside from being able to use standard buffers which can be way cheaper then heavy 308 buffers. The DPMS 308 carbine buffer is pretty cheap. Personally I have used standard length tubes with the DPMS LR308 buffer and spring. If you have an adjustable gas block you shouldn't need heavy buffers. -Stooxie Will this work? Is this what you would consider standard length tube? I have an adjustable gas block too. http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/buffer-tube-parts/buffer-tubes/carbine-stock-mount-kit-mil-spec-sku231000304-44751-99752.aspx |
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Can't tell if you're serious or not, but anyone who has any experience with building would condemn this method. It can only lead to broken parts. The Panther claw that I hotlinked to worked perfect for me. There was no flex whatsoever, and as a previous poster mentioned, the part that goes inside the upper prevents strain on the pins. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I use these for everything. But, i had to dremel a bit off the bottom section because the MaTen upper is wider in that area. It still works for armalite ar10s, and ar15s. But now it also works for MaTen uppers I do something similar, basically this (not quite the same parts): http://www.plastixrevolution.net/products/308-ar-10-lr308-pin-upper-receiver-vise-block I don't trust just securing the base of the upper receiver. I can't get my head around the DPMS Panther Claw either. I like having both the top and the bottom firmly clamped in my vice. Then it's not the upper receiver lugs taking all the torque. -Stooxie Yeah, the Panther Claw is a great way to destroy an upper. Right to the garbage with it. Cut two chunks of Walmart cutting board and stick them in the vice with the upper on its side sandwiched. Bam. No twist, no broken uppers The Panther claw that I hotlinked to worked perfect for me. There was no flex whatsoever, and as a previous poster mentioned, the part that goes inside the upper prevents strain on the pins. Another thing that seems to help is to slide the vise block back so it's flush with the end of the vise and not overhanging. This will reduce the flex that might be causing people to break their uppers. You want the vise jaws clamped to the block below the pivot pin area because that's where all the stress is concentrated when tightening the barrel nut. If the pivot pin area of the block is overhanging the end of the vise, it will be flexing like crazy and stressing the upper. |
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Does anyone make a 338 Fed LW profile barrel to use on a build?
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I just got bit by megas "compatibility" page.
It says DPMS carbine buffer and spring for milspec ar15 tube.... or Armalite equivelant Well armalites equivelant is just a fucking H3 buffer, and it most fucking definitely is too long for milspec tube. God dammit. |
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Dpms upper receiver block in .308 OOS @ Midway but that's where I got mine. About half the price of the reaction rod. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137499/dpms-upper-receiver-action-block-lr-308-knights-armament-sr-25-delrin View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What are you guys using to hold the upper reciever to install your barrels and such? I dont want to splurge for another reaction rod.. OOS @ Midway but that's where I got mine. About half the price of the reaction rod. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137499/dpms-upper-receiver-action-block-lr-308-knights-armament-sr-25-delrin I used these and was pretty happy with them, they did want to spin in the vice though, probably because my vice is beat to hell and doesn't have any grip left in the jaws http://www.ebay.com/itm/NO-M-A-R-308-Pin-Upper-Receiver-Vise-Block-Gunsmith-Barrel-Nut-Tool-LR-10-7-62-/271832640796?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4a7ced1c |
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I just got bit by megas "compatibility" page. It says DPMS carbine buffer and spring for milspec ar15 tube.... or Armalite equivelant Well armalites equivelant is just a fucking H3 buffer, and it most fucking definitely is too long for milspec tube. God dammit. View Quote That's correct, but the Armalite system works much better. The only need for the shorter buffer system is if you plan to use the UBR stock. Go with armalite buffer system and bcg. You won't regret it. |
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Quoted: I just got bit by megas "compatibility" page. It says DPMS carbine buffer and spring for milspec ar15 tube.... or Armalite equivelant Well armalites equivelant is just a fucking H3 buffer, and it most fucking definitely is too long for milspec tube. God dammit. View Quote Dude, so it's a $40 "fix." Either get a DPMS 308 carbine buffer and spring or get an Armalite length tube and 308 spring. "Problem" solved. Then sell the other parts in the EE and you're probably close to even. -Stooxie |
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Dude, so it's a $40 "fix." Either get a DPMS 308 carbine buffer and spring or get an Armalite length tube and 308 spring. "Problem" solved. Then sell the other parts in the EE and you're probably close to even. -Stooxie View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I just got bit by megas "compatibility" page. It says DPMS carbine buffer and spring for milspec ar15 tube.... or Armalite equivelant Well armalites equivelant is just a fucking H3 buffer, and it most fucking definitely is too long for milspec tube. God dammit. Dude, so it's a $40 "fix." Either get a DPMS 308 carbine buffer and spring or get an Armalite length tube and 308 spring. "Problem" solved. Then sell the other parts in the EE and you're probably close to even. -Stooxie Boom. |
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I just got bit by megas "compatibility" page. It says DPMS carbine buffer and spring for milspec ar15 tube.... or Armalite equivelant Well armalites equivelant is just a fucking H3 buffer, and it most fucking definitely is too long for milspec tube. God dammit. Dude, so it's a $40 "fix." Either get a DPMS 308 carbine buffer and spring or get an Armalite length tube and 308 spring. "Problem" solved. Then sell the other parts in the EE and you're probably close to even. -Stooxie Boom. Yea it's no big deal just inconvenient is all. I'll keep the let tube for one of my other lowers. From what I understand the vltor a5 carbine tubes will work fine with the armalite buffer and springs? If so I'll probably just do that. |
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Quoted: Yea it's no big deal just inconvenient is all. I'll keep the let tube for one of my other lowers. From what I understand the vltor a5 carbine tubes will work fine with the armalite buffer and springs? If so I'll probably just do that. View Quote Correct: https://www.vltor.com/shop/a5-system/re-10a5sr-a5-receiver-extension/ Be sure you are using an Armalite AR10 carbine buffer spring. Sounds like you are. I hear ya, brother. This is one is a real catch-all. Very subtle yet totally incompatible differences. -Stooxie |
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I went through about 40 pages here and wasn't able to find it. In the OP it says that they didn't know what pattern the LMT Bolt followed. Has this been figured out? If its in here somewhere I apologize.
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<a href="http://s273.photobucket.com/user/nickforney/media/11164115_10153224451325460_898586477_n.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj228/nickforney/11164115_10153224451325460_898586477_n.jpg</a> View Quote What barrel are you using? Awesome looking gun Nick. |
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