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Posted: 11/21/2007 9:48:18 PM EST
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Figured compiling the important info out there into one document would be helpful to people trying to make informed decisions regarding this round in the AR-15 platform.

Any info not accurate or missing that you can provide or you think should be include please post. I will try to keep it updated.

Hope this is useful.

Tim Welter


The 6.8 Remington Special Purpose Cartridge
6.8 SPC


Manufactures of 6.8 Uppers and Complete Rifles:

Lewis Machine & Tool – Both / Piston Soon
Bushmaster – Both / Piston also
CMMG – Both
Precision Reflex Inc – Both
Barrett Rifles – Both
DPMS Panther Arms – Both
J&T Distributing – Full Kits
MGI – Both / QCB
Robinson Armament Co. – XCR Rifle
Rock River Arms – Both & Kits
Stag Arms – Both and Lefties
Land Warfare Resources Corp. (LWRC) – Both / Piston
Noveske Rifleworks – Both
Model 1 Sales – Kits (barrels not recommended)
Olympic Arms – Both
SSK Industries – Both


Builders of Custom to Order Uppers and Complete Rifles:

AR15 Barrels – Uppers
AR Performance – Uppers
White Oak Armament – Uppers
Denny’s Guns / Global Tactical Supply – Both
JTAC Tactical Supply – Both
Ko-tonics – Both
Mid-South Tactical Network (MSTN) – Both
Rainier Arms – Both
Talon Arms Custom – Uppers
G&R Tactical – Both
Maybe others


6.8 SPC Chambers Available:

1: SAAMI / 0.05 " throat / akin to .223 standard
2: SPC II / 0.10" throat / akin to 5.56 NATO
3: DMR (only offered as a custom) / 0.08" throat & a 30 degree case to leade taper instead of 45 degrees / akin to .223 Wylde


Barrels of Manufactures of Uppers & Rifles: Twist / Rifling / Groove / Chamber / Stainless or Chrome Lined / M4 Extended Cuts / Thread Pitch

Lewis Machine & Tool sub to Mike Rock – 10:1 / standard /standard / SAAMI / chromed & stainless / M4 / 5/8X24
Ko-tonics - 11:1 / standard shallow / 4 groove / SPC II / chromed / M4 / 5/8X24
Bushmaster – 10:1 / standard /standard / SAAMI / ? / proprietary ramps "M2" / ?
CMMG – 10:1 / standard /standard / SAAMI / Chromed / Both Option / 5/8X24
Barrett Rifles – 10:1 / standard / standard / SPC II / Chromed / ? / 5/8X24
Precision Reflex, Inc. (PRI) – 10:1 / standard /standard / SPC II / stainless / M4 / 5/8X24
DPMS Panther Arms – 10:1 / standard /standard / SAAMI / chrome- moly and NOT Chromed / M4 / 1/2x28
JTAC Tactical Supply – 10:1 / standard /standard / SAAMI / Stainless & Chrome-moly, no chromed / M4 / 5/8X24
MGI – uncertain supplies change - M4 / 5/8x24
Robinson Armament Co. – 10:1 / standard / standard / SPC II / chromed / ? / 5/8X24
Rock River Arms – 10:1 / standard /standard / SPC II / chrome- moly and NOT Chromed / ? / 5/8X24
Stag Arms – 10:1 / standard /standard / / SPC II / chromed / Not M4/ 1/2x36
Land Warfare Resources Corp. (LWRC) – Sub to Shaw – 10:1 / standard / standard / SPC II / chromed / M4 / 5/8X24
Noveske Rifleworksthese are Pac-Nor blanks he chambers and profiles -10:1 / standard /polygonal / SAAMI / stainless / M4 / 5/8X24
Model 1 Sales – 9.5:1 / standard / standard / SAAMI / Chromed / Not M4 / 1/2x36 NOT RECOMMENDED: too fast twist rate
Olympic Arms – 10:1 / standard / standard / SAAMI / stainless / M4 / ?
SSK Industries – customer choice / ? / ?



Barrel Makers & Barrel Smiths: Twist / Rifling / Groove / Chamber

Shaw: 10-11:1 / standard / 6 groove or 4 groove / old SAAMI present & future SPC II
Rock Creek OEM: 10:1 / standard /6 groove / SAAMI
Rock Creek Custom: custom / 5R / 5 groove / chambering not offered
Noveske Rifleworks: 10:1 / polygonal / 6 groove / SAAMI
Hart: 10:1 & 12:1 / standard / 6 groove / reamer of your choice
Krieger: Custom/ Custom / Custom / reamer of your choice
Douglas: 10:1 & 12:1 / standard / 6 groove / SAAMI may be able to supply reamer or have done
Wilson: 10:1 & 11:1 / standard / 6 groove / SAAMI
White Oak Armament: See Wilson also use other custom blank but cut a SAAMI chamber
Compass Lake Engineering: See Wilson also use other custom blank but cut a SAAMI chamber
Bartlein: Custom / standard / custom / reamer of your choice
Lawton: Custom / standard / custom / reamer of your choice
Lilja: 10:1 & 12:1 / standard / 10:1 3 & 4 groove 12:1 6 groove / chambering not offered
Shilen: 10:1 / standard / 6 groove
Spencer: 10:1 & 12:1 other possible/ standard / 6 groove / reamer of your choice
Lothar Walther: 10:1 / standard / 6 groove / chambering not offered
Pac-Nor: custom / standard and polygonal / custom / reamer of your choice



Barrel Configurations & Useable Ammo: Twist / Chamber (SAAMI, Improved SAAMI, DMR)


10:1 / SAAMI / Most makers (see list above): all presently no restricted manufactured ammunition. hand loads not exceeding recommended published max Warning: DO NOT USE SSA Combat or Old Extreme

11:1 / SAAMI / (see list above): Must test individual barrel results will vary but indications are most do handle all presently manufactured ammunition to include SSA Combat, hotter loads, maximum hand loads (always start low), Warning: DO NOT USE SSA Extremes no longer in production

10:1 / SPC II / (see list above): all loads, hotter loads, SSA Combat loads and all versions of SSA Extreme, maximum hand loads (always start low)

11:1 / SPC II / (see list above): all loads, hotter loads, SSA Combat loads and all versions SSA Extreme, maximum hand loads (always start low),

10-12:1 / DMR #3 / custom ( no factory offerings): all loads, including SSA Combat loads and all versions SSA Extreme, maximum hand loads (always start low),


Grooves

The number of grooves in combination with chamber configuration and twist rate has not yet been thoroughly tested to make a definitive statement on its entire effect on the different configurations above so therefore has been left out. That being said their stands a large amount of evidence that reducing the number of grooves and lands, as well as changing their basic form (5R, Polygonal, 5C), does reduce pressure. This can cause increases in velocity because of the ability to increase the charge in the case of said ammunition without experiencing over pressure.




6.8 Uppers Evaluation Report Link







Velocity Differences of Bullet in Different Length Barrels

SSA 2nd generation 115 gr SMK OTM w/cannelure, 5 shot averages:

20” barrel: ave vel = 2561 fps; 10 fps extreme spread

16” barrel: ave vel = 2525 fps; 18 fps extreme spread –– lost 36 fps from 20"

12.5” barrel: ave vel = 2384 fps; 12 fps extreme spread –– lost 141 fps from 16"

10” barrel: ave vel = 2265 fps; 27 fps extreme spread –– lost 119 fps from 12.5"

7.5” barrel: ave vel = 2035 fps; 27 fps extreme spread –– lost 230 fps from 10"
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20" barrels: Rifle Length Gas System.
18": Midlength Gas System.
16" barrels: Best with Midlength Gas System, but will also work with Carbine Length.
14.5" barrels and below: Carbine Length Gas System.
from PaulSantos


Loaded Ammunition Manufacturers:

Remington
115 grain Open Tip Match [BC .344]
115 grain Metal Case [BC .292]
115 grain Boat Tail Hollow Point Match [BC .333]
115 grain Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded [BC .295]
[url=http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/comparative_ballistics_results.aspx?data=R68R1*R68R2*RM68R1*PRC68R4]Ballistics for Remington 6.8 Ammo [24" test barrel][/url]

Hornady
110 GR V-MAX [BC .370]
110 GR BTHP/WC [BC ~.352]
[url=https://www.hornady.com/shop/?page=shop/browse&category_id=55410454d3b6c1edb710ea593c0e033d]Ballistics for Hornady 6.8 Ammo [16" test barrel][/url]

Silver State Armory
110 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X-Bullet [BC .323]
110 grain Sierra Pro Hunter Bullet [BC .314]
115 grain Sierra OTM Match King bullet [BC .324 to .317]
115 grain Seirra OTM Combat (special order restricted item) [BC .324 to .317]
95 grain fragmentation bullet [BC ?]
97 grain AP (ARMOR PIERCING) restricted item - Law Enforcement & Military only
115 grain Extreme Copper Plated (WARNING: no longer made but may still be found)
115 grain Extreme Combat Copper Plated (WARNING: no longer made but may still be found)
Ballistics for SSA 6.8 ammo from a 16” test barrel


Ammunition Reloading Components:


Bullets available for the 6.8 SPC:


Remington
115 grain Premier Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded Pointed Soft Point [BC .295]
115 grain Remington Express Metal Case [BC .292]
.277 caliber bullet list

Hornady
110 grain V-MAX [BC .370] - length 1.036
110 grain Hollow Point [BC .352]
130 grain Soft Point InterLock [BC .409]
130 grain SST InterLock [BC .460] - length 1.248

.277 caliber bullet list


Barnes
110 grain Barnes Triple-Shock X-Bullet [BC .323] - length 1.086
120 grain Banded Spitzer BT [BC .438] - length 1.294
110 grain Barnes Tipped Triple-Shock-X-Bullet

Sierra
90 grain Varminter [BC .203 to .219]
110 grain Pro Hunter [BC .314] length 0.944
115 grain HPBT MatchKing [BC .324] - length 0.991
130 grain SBT GameKing [BC .402]
130 grain SPT Pro Hunter [BC .383] - length 1.098
135 grain HPBT MatchKing [BC .440] - length 1.265
140 grain SBT GameKing [BC .437 to .412]
140 grain HPBT GameKing [BC .366 to .390]
150 grain SBT GameKing [BC .462 to .435]
.277 caliber bullet list

Woodleigh
130 grain Protected Point [BC .409] - length 1.087
150 grain Protected Point [BC .463] - length 1.209
.277 caliber bullet list
Retail supply

Swift
130 grain Scirocco II bonded [BC .450] - length 1.315
130 grain A-Frame SS Bullet [BC .323] - length 1.090
140 grain A-Frame SS Bullet [BC .414] - length 1.190
150 grain A-Frame SS Bullet [BC .444] - length 1.230
Rifle Bullets list

Speer
90 grain TNT HP [BC .275]
100 grain Jacketed HP [BC .225]
130 grain Grand Slam SP [BC .345]
130 grain Hot-Cor Spitzer SP [BC .408]
130 grain Spitzer BTSP [BC .449]
140 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw SP [BC .392]
150 grain Grand Slam SP [BC .385]
150 grain Hot-Cor Spitzer SP [BC .481]
150 grain Spitzer BTSP [BC .496]
.277 caliber bullet list

Nosler
New 6.8 Bullet 110 grain AccuBond [BC. ?]
130 grain Nosler Solid Base [BC. 420]
130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip [BC .433] - length 1.215
130 grain Nosler AccuBond [BC .435] - length 1.245
130 grain Nosler Partition [BC .416] - length 1.135
140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip [BC .456]
140 grain Nosler AccuBond [BC .496] - length 1.310
140 grain Nosler Partition [BC .432] - length 1.190
150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip [BC .496] - length 1.350
150 grain Nosler Partition [BC .465] - length 1.250
160 grain Nosler Partition [BC .434] - length 1.300
.277 caliber bullet list

Winchester
130 grain Super-X Power-Point Bullet [BC .372]

KJG by Lutz Moeller
(Das Kupferjagdgeschoß - the copper hunting projectile)
95.7 grains [BC .426] - length 1.18 inches [load data in German]


Lost River Ballistic
135 grain J36 Hunting Bullet [BC .649] - length ~1.35?

Sako
130 grain HammerHead Bullet

Norma
130 grain SP [BC .359]
150 grain SP Bullet Oryx Bonded [BC .373]

Kodiak Bullets
Available here and here.
130 grain Bonded Jacketed Pointed Soft Point [BC .494]

GS Custom Bullets
80 grain High Velocity monometallic copper bullet - length 0.858
110 grain High Velocity monometallic copper bullet - length 1.157
120 grain High Velocity monometallic copper bullet - length 1.256



Powders Tried in the Current Reloading of 6.8 SPC:

RL 7
RL 10X
H322
H335
H4198
H4895
AA2520
Varget
WCC844
IMR 4895
AA2230
X-Terminator
Benchmark
Ramshot TAC
VV N135
VV-N133
AA 1680


The best powders seem to be these below:

H332, Benchmark, RE10x, H335, X-Terminator, AA2230 for bullets 110-130 grains
H322, H4198, RE7, H335, and X-Terminator for bullets 90-100 grains


Brass used for the 6.8 SPC:

Remington: Large primer pocket (average quality / weaker than small primer pocket and holds less powder)
Hornady: Small primer pocket (better quality / brass on the soft size smaller powder capacity)
Silver State Amory (SSA): small prime pocket (best quality / strong brass / largest powder capacity / many reloads / still needs to be properly prepped)


Links To Other Resources

6.8 Uppers Evaluation Report Link

6.8 SPC Resource/FAQ Page

6.8 SPC Reloading Resources (including recipes)

Original 6.8 Thread (Archived - Members Only)

6.8 Thread Part II (Archived - Members Only)

6.8 Thread Part III

Zak's FAQ

6.8SPC.com (Randall's FAQ/List of Links)

2004 NDIA Small Arms Symposium Presentation on the 6.8 SPC (Power Point File)

Wikipedia Entry for 6.8 SPC

Yahoo 6.8 SPC Group

6.8 Remington SPC Forum

Barrett's 6.8SPC Forum

68Forums


Links to Reloading Data

Burn Rate Chart

Zak's Reloading Data

Hodgdon's 6.8 SPC Reloading Data

IMR's 6.8 SPC Reloading Data


Preferred Muzzle Thread Pattern: 5/8-24


Dimensions of the 6.8 SPC
**************new case––-resized case ––-SAAMI––––––-SPCII––––––-DMR
base dia. ******* .4155***** .418**** * .422***** .422 ***** .4205
shoulder dia. ***** .402 * ** .402 ***** .4028**** * .4028 **** .403
neck @ shoulder dia* .301 *** .301 **** .3085**** .3085 ***** .305
neck @ throat dia ** .301 *** .301****** .307 ***** .308 **** .304
leade dia. ***************** ********* .2781**** .2781 **** .277
length of leade ******************** ** .064**** .105 ****** .095



Trim To Length = 1.676" (from Hodgdon Powder Co)

Note from Art (kalwasart): You will have to work to the bottom of the spec otherwise the case will not work in a DPMS or CMMG weapon.

6.8 SPC Magazines: Over all best quality has been PRI and also gives you the the largest OAL for ammo, C-Products comes in second because of some feed lip adjustment issues and a shorter OAL for ammo. Barrett has not had enough feed back yet but seem to be good quality as well not sure on OAL for ammo.

6.8 SPC Magazines Specs:

PRI: 5, 10, 15, 25 round capacities / Round OAL Dimension: 2.3"
Barrett: 30 round capacity Round OAL Dimension: 2.2?"
C Products: 5, 10, 17, 25 round capacities Round OAL Dimension: 2.28"


Suppressors

The 6.8 SPC can use suppressors designed for the .308 as the size is only slightly larger in bore size and are cut to the prevalent 5/8x24 thread pitch. The only draw back to this is that .308 suppressors tend to be both longer and heavier. There are a number of companies that now make dedicated 6.8 SPC suppressors. These are 5.56 NATO suppressors with the bore increase and the thread pitch changed to the 6.8 SPC specs. If you happen to have one of the barrels cut to a a thread pitch other than 5/8x24 you can, have an adapter made, have the suppressor's thread pitch changed, have your barrel threads re-cut ( may require shortening of barrel) , purchasing a new barrel. It is not advisable to have the suppressors threads changed to match your thread pitch as the 5/8th pitch seems to becoming the standard. This would cause you to have all your future barrels threads custom cut to the other thread pitch. Below are the Manufactures (linked) and models of available suppressors dedicated to 6.8 SPC cartridge:

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Choosing the Proper .277 Bullets for Use in the 6.8SPC
Writen By User Screen Name: PauloSantos



INTRO:
I have put together this thread as an informative thread for the new guys or anyone else who needs help with selecting the correct .277” bullets for reloading for the Remington 6.8SPC.

Before I begin, I just want to touch up on the Remington 6.8SPC. If you are using the 6.8SPC in an AR-15, there is an OAL that you have to keep in mind. With the C-Products and Barrett magazines, I would not load the ammo longer than 2.260" to load reliably. If you have PRI magazines, I would not load the ammo longer than 2.280". Also, due to the limited powder capacity, it is best to load bullets in the range of 90-115 Gr., although you can load some of the 130 Gr., you will be hard pressed to get velocity over 2200fps.

POWDERS:
So far, I have tested a boat load of powders and the best powders are definitely the medium-fast powders such as H322. As far as velocity, I've found that for the 90-100 Gr. bullets, the H4198 is hard to beat and it is very accurate. H4198 is ok for the 110 Gr. bullets, but the velocity is not as good as the H322 and you will need a light buffer or else you may have cycling problems, especially with the rifle length buffer tubes. If given a choice, I would start with the Hodgdon Extreme Powders since they are very accurate and they are not as sensitive to temperature changes as some of the other powders. Also, I would prefer a extruded powder over ball powder since they are generally more accurate.

Best Powders for 90-100 Gr. Bullets:
1. H4198.
2. H322.
3. H335.
4. X-Terminator.
5. Reloaders 7.

Best Powders for 110-135 Gr. Bullets:
1. H322.
2. Benchmark.
3. Reloaders 10x.
4. 2015.
5. H335.
6. N133.
7. X-Terminator.
8. TAC.
9. 2230.

RIFLE TWISTS:
The two most popular twists for the Remington 6.8 SPC are the 1:11" twist and the 1:10" twist. Both twists can handle bullets from 90-135 Gr., but the 1:11" twist is supposed to reduce the pressure and is quickly becoming the popular choice.

BULLET TYPES:
1. FMJ-Full Metal Jacket (Ball Ammo). Unknown at what velocity the Remington FMJ fragments, but the SSA Extreme FMJ is supposed to fragments at 2100+ fps.
2. OTM-Open Tip Match.
HP-Hollow Point.
SMK-Sierra Match King. Generally fragments at 2100+ fps.
3. SP-Soft Point. Generally expands at 1700+ fps.
4. BT-Ballistic Tip. Generally expands or fragments at 1900+ fps.

NOTE: You may see the letter "BT" (Boat-Tail) in front or after the above ammo types. BT stands for "Boat Tail" and refers to the base of the bullet. A "Boat Tail" is a sloping end which narrows gently at the base of the bullet, so that the cross-section resembles the shape of a boat's hull. The boat tail shape reduces drag on a bullet, helping it to retain velocity and resist deflection from crosswinds, but causes the bullet to take longer to "settle" after leaving the barrel compared to a standard "flat-base" bullet. Boat tail bullets are usually selected for long-range shooting, while the flat-base bullet shape tends to be more accurate at short ranges. A "HPBT" bullet is a "Hollow Point Boat Tail" bullet.

The last thing I would like to explain is a “Cannelure.” A Cannelure is a cut or pressed groove (or grooves) around the shank of a bullet. Cannelures provide an area into which the case mouth may be securely crimped. Military ammo has cannelures to prevent bullet set-back. Bullets with cannelures are not generally used in match ammo because cannelures may decrease the accuracy of the bullet. For Military/LE purposes, bullets with cannelures are preferred. For sniper type applications, bullets without cannelures are usually used.

HOME PROTECTION/SHTF:
Penetration and Fragmentation are key for Home Protection/LE applications. 10-12" is ideal to ensure that it will reach the vital organs.

1. Hornady:
a. 100 Gr. SP.
b. 110 Gr. V-Max.
c. 110 Gr. HP.

2. Remington:
a. 100 Gr. SP.
b. 115 Gr. FMJ.

3. Sierra:
a. 110 Gr. SPT.
b. 115 Gr. SMK.

4. Silver State Armory:
a. 115 Gr. SMK Enhanced Fragmentation Version.

BARRIER PENETRATION BULLETS:

1. Barnes:
a. 110 Gr. Barnes XXX.
b. 110 Gr. Barnes tipped XXX.

2. Nosler:
a. Accubond 110 Gr. Spitzer.
b. Accubond 130 Gr. Spitzer.
c. Ballistic Tip 130 Gr. Spitzer.

3. Remington:
a. 115 Gr. Core Lockt SP.

4. Sierra:
a. 110 Gr. SPT.
b. 130 Gr. SPT.
c. 130 Gr. SBT.

5. Speer:
a. 130 Gr. SP.
b. 130 Gr. BTSP.

HUNTING BULLETS:
For hunting bullets that expand/mushroom are preferred because they don’t damage too much meat like the fragmenting bullets.

1. Barnes:
a. 110 Gr. Barnes XXX.
b. 110 Gr. Barnes tipped XXX.

2. Hornady:
a. 100 Gr. SP.
b. 110 Gr. HP.
c. 130 Gr. Interbond.
d. 130 Gr. SST.
e. 130 Gr. SP.

3. Nosler:
a. Accubond 110 Gr. Spitzer.
b. Accubond 130 Gr. Spitzer.
c. Ballistic Tip 130 Gr. Spitzer.

4. Remington:
a. 100 Gr. SP.
b. 115 Gr. Core Lockt SP.

5. Sierra:
a. 90 Gr. HP.
b. 110 Gr. SPT.
c. 130 Gr. SPT.
d. 130 Gr. SBT.

6. Speer:
a. 100 Gr. SP.
b. 100 Gr. HP.
c. 130 Gr. SP.
d. 130 Gr. BTSP.

MATCH/COMPETITION/SNIPER BULLETS:

1. Hornady:
a. 110 Gr. V-Max.
b. 110 Gr. HP.

2. Sierra:
a. 115 Gr. SMK.
b. 135 Gr. SMK.

3. Speer:
a. 90 Gr. TNT.

Note: Cannelures are generally not used because of possible accuracy loss.

VARMINT HUNTING:
Varmint Hunters want a bullet that offers great accuracy and rapid expansion. Some of the best bullets for Varmint hunting are the lighter 90-100 Gr. Bullets.

1. Hornady:
a. 110 Gr. V-Max.

2. Sierra:
a. 90 Gr. HP.

3. Speer:
a. 90 Gr. TNT.
b. 100 Gr. HP.

PLINKING BULLETS:

1. Remington:
a. 100 Gr. SP.
b. 115 Gr. FMJ.

2. Speer:
a. 90 Gr. TNT Value Packs.

3. Silver State Armory
a. ? should be soon 115 FMJ ?





Reloading Recipes for 6.8 SPC:

Warning note: 1: always start at least 5% low and work up on all loads. Remember you need to know your barrel configuration. Using a hot load recipe for a Improved Chamber in a 10:1 SAAMI Chamber could have possible lethal effects on the shooter and bystanders. At the very least rifle damage would result.

The information below has been taken off of different forums on the internet and is for INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. In no way should you rely on these recipes being safe in your rifle!! Please start low and go slow. Always check your reloading manuals.



It is organized in the following order: bullet, powder by burn rate fast to slow, charge size, barrel length.

6.8 SPC Hand Load Data Chart
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Chart Still in progress Not Complete

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excellent info!
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Thanks

Paul,

Your info on velocity at different barrel lengths is now added.


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best powders updated thanks Paul

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If both of you will do that I will add the names on the ones that don't have the names. What I did was just grabbed these from the threads. Almost all of them were either posted by you Paul or Tim @Kot
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That is a lot of good information.

Thank you.
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updated with other resource links and powder burn rate chart

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That is what I always thought but everyone on all the ar-15 web site talks about how he builds the greatest barrels. The reason for my suspicion was when you go to PAC-NOR site and click on AR-16 barrel link it takes you to his site. Now as far as barrels go Pac-Nors are OK in the accuracy game. Now we aren't talking about what most here consider accuracy 1-0.5 moa. We are talking about benchrest kind 0.2-0.1 moa or less. Now AR's can't really use that kind of accuracy but the best (one's that win competitions) are Baritlien, Krieger, Hart, etc.. Pac-Nor's are in that same grouping just on the lower end of the list. Seems what John Noveske is really good at is profiling and cutting and designing a very strait and good chamber. That is a very big part to accuracy. His work is excellent.

I've gotten off track here sorry. I will change his positioning and get around to tagging you reloads. You are certainly up late. And yes I certainly do have time on my hands as of late this at least gives me something to do. the whole category thing is tough as some overlap most barrel makers also do chambering and profiling as well as some builders and manufacturers.

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Outstanding. Vote for sticky.

One suggestion: under Barrels of Manufactures of Uppers & Rifles: twist / rifling / groove / chamber, the chamber offered by Ko-Tonics is listed as Improved SAAMI. But under Barrel Configurations & Useable Ammo: Twist / Chamber (SAAMI, Improved SAAMI, DMR), there's no Improved SAAMI, only Improved SAAMI #2.



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Ok I have put a notation of the Pac-Nor blanks on there and updated your reloads with your name on the ones you marked.

I need to still add the specs for a SAAMI, Improved SAMMI, and DMR chambers. Reloading Equipment Suppressors lastly whatever else of real value I find while going through those 120 pages of the "6.8 FAQ & Loads" threads. Some of bullshit that when on in those threads was, well, let's just say, I wish I'd didn't feel the need to re-read them to gleen off any real info that showed up in there, other than the things from a few of the same people that always seem to be the ones with real and usable info. I think I have most of what was in those but I don't want to miss something useful.

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Posted: 11/22/2007 3:36:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By absael:
Outstanding. Vote for sticky.

One suggestion: under Barrels of Manufactures of Uppers & Rifles: twist / rifling / groove / chamber, the chamber offered by Ko-Tonics is listed as Improved SAAMI. But under Barrel Configurations & Useable Ammo: Twist / Chamber (SAAMI, Improved SAAMI, DMR), there's no Improved SAAMI, only Improved SAAMI #2.


I can now see hgow that could be confusing. It was actually a carry over when on another thread we were talking about the 3 different chamberings 1: SAAMI 2: improved SAAMI 3: DMR I will remove it as I only used it on the Improved. Thanks for catching that.

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Posted: 11/22/2007 4:11:26 AM EST
Good job! Many thanks.
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Posted: 11/22/2007 4:41:45 AM EST
Constructor,

Your changes to DMR and brass have been update.

Also added magazines. Can someone give me the max inside length for each brand?

Thanks

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Posted: 11/22/2007 6:38:03 AM EST
Great job Tim. If you could, I would add the thread sizes that these barrels have. Most of them are the 5/8x24, but off of the top of my head, STAG and DPMS have the 1/2x28.
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Posted: 11/22/2007 9:07:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By paulosantos:
Great job Tim. If you could, I would add the thread sizes that these barrels have. Most of them are the 5/8x24, but off of the top of my head, STAG and DPMS have the 1/2x28.


The Stag I had was 1/2x36, same as the Colt 9mm barrels.
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Posted: 11/22/2007 10:42:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By vmpglenn:

Originally Posted By paulosantos:
Great job Tim. If you could, I would add the thread sizes that these barrels have. Most of them are the 5/8x24, but off of the top of my head, STAG and DPMS have the 1/2x28.


The Stag I had was 1/2x36, same as the Colt 9mm barrels.


Sorry about that. Stag is 1/2x36. DPMS is 1/2x28.
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Posted: 11/22/2007 11:19:39 AM EST
You forgot the following boards

Barrett's dedicated Forum with 6.8 SPC discussion for their rifles etc
www.barrettrifles.com/DiscussionForum_YAF/default.aspx

Another 6.8 SPC site sponsored by Ko-Tonics and Silver State Armory.
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Tim,


Please excuse me if someone has already suggested this, but I did not see in the secifications for each barrel manufacturer, etc. whether their product included M4 feedramps. We all know that the M4 ramps are actually made up of cuts in both the barrel extension and the receiver, though. For example, if you buy a complete upper from Ko-Tonics, Tim builds the ramps into all them. However, if you buy a barrel from Ko-Tonics, the extension has the ramps cut, and the builder will then still need to machine the cuts into the receiver. Some noobs might not know that. Randall showed some pics a while back detailing the proper configuration in which the extension ramp cuts had to line up with the receiver cuts to properly allow for feeding.

This seems to be a little more important with the 6.8 SPC than with 5.56, (especially given the propensity for the C-products mags occasionlly to require a little feed lip tweaking) and since this appears to be the new comprehensive buyer's/user's guide, that might also be useful to first-time 6.8 buyers.
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This is great info, the Part 3 FAQ on 6.8 SPC has all this info strewn about within the various pages of parts 1,2 and 3.

So I ask, do you guys think I should untack the Part 3 FAQ on 6.8 SPC and tack this as the new info page at the top and simple link to parts 1,2, and 3 (as is done atop already).

We dont want to have several pieces tacked at the top cluttering everything for the first 1/3 of the page, so if a collective likes this more condensed info, which I do, lets tack this and untack part 3 and incorporate everything into this condensed format.

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Posted: 11/22/2007 1:46:46 PM EST
Run with it
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condensed info is a good thing
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Posted: 11/22/2007 5:42:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By hi-tech-rancher:
Tim,


Please excuse me if someone has already suggested this, but I did not see in the secifications for each barrel manufacturer, etc. whether their product included M4 feedramps. We all know that the M4 ramps are actually made up of cuts in both the barrel extension and the receiver, though. For example, if you buy a complete upper from Ko-Tonics, Tim builds the ramps into all them. However, if you buy a barrel from Ko-Tonics, the extension has the ramps cut, and the builder will then still need to machine the cuts into the receiver. Some noobs might not know that. Randall showed some pics a while back detailing the proper configuration in which the extension ramp cuts had to line up with the receiver cuts to properly allow for feeding.

This seems to be a little more important with the 6.8 SPC than with 5.56, (especially given the propensity for the C-products mags occasionlly to require a little feed lip tweaking) and since this appears to be the new comprehensive buyer's/user's guide, that might also be useful to first-time 6.8 buyers.


This is a good idea about the feed ramps. When I started calling up the companies I asked and DPMS has the M4 feedramps. STAG doesn't and Bushmaster has what they call M2 feedramps.
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Wow, a lot of great things to add in I hadn't though of. I will add the listed things in over the night. I wasn't on today as one, I'm usually a night bird and I was away for Thanksgiving today. I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and now has their now fatter rear-ends on the lazy boy enjoying the rest of the day.

I also would much prefer this format for info as opposed to searching through 100+ pages of info 3/4 of which most can't get to, even if I think you should pay and support this site. I can tell you I was ready to jump off a bridge, out of frustration, last night as I started to get the important info out of the other threads. I can't see most people being willing to read all of that to get what amounts to a few pages of info out of it. I don't mind doing it but I am not right in the head so thats not a good indication for others..

Also, I have no problem if this does get stickied with the Mods ie Cold etc adding things as they come up if they feel the need. I would just ask that if it's updated, add a post stating what has changed or been added so we can keep track.

The only thing I can take credit for is find and consolidating the info and even that I had help from Paul and Constructor so. All this info was somewhere on this site or linked to from here in some fashion. I just wanted to help make it accessible. Hell, it wasn't even my idea it was paulosantos idea. I just volunteered and took it and ran. The only things new is knowing what dealer are suppling what but again it can probably still be found on this site somewhere it would just take a lot of searching and reading to find.

Well I'm going to finish up with my family and get to work on the updates. I'm on the site almost every night and accept PM's. So I'm reachable.


Happy Thanksgivings,

Tim Welter
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