Why do people adjust the stock allllllll the way out?

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Posted: 9/26/2014 9:29:01 PM EDT

It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:38:30 PM EDT

[#1]

Personal preference.

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:39:08 PM EDT

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Quoted: It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

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What do your groups look like? Some of us have long arms. I collapse the stock when carrying it around, and one or two notches in if I'm saddled w/ my vest. If you're happy w/ your groups, keep shooting it the way you're shooting it - albeit you might want to add a bit of distance when you mount the .458" upper.

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:41:47 PM EDT

[#3]

My wrist is all f'd up, I can't run it all the way in. I do laugh when little guys with short arms run it all the way out, maybe because I have gorilla arms and can't.

Edited: spelling

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:42:27 PM EDT

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because some people dont have t-rex arms.

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:44:02 PM EDT

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I'm 6'4 with non-t-Rex arms.... I still ended up going short. Don't own a single collapsible anymore.

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:44:51 PM EDT

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Your never necessarily wrong when it comes to shooting. If that is how you are comfortable shooting and how you maintain the same sight picture then go for it. Adjusting the stock all the way out works along similar principles as separating your BUIS as much as possible. I extend the stock all the way out move my face away from the rear sight which makes the hole in the rear sight aperture "smaller" and lay straight behind the rifle with my foot in line with the muzzle. Then you will notice it is easier to keep the front sight post centered in the rear sight make for a tighter shot group and increased control of the recoil allowing for faster shots on target while maintaining accuracy.
But as MR. t-rex arms

above has stated if your arms are short then go short if it is more comfortable. You will shoot like crap if you can't get comfy.

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:46:42 PM EDT

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because some people dont have t-rex arms.

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that must be it

Posted: 9/26/2014 9:50:47 PM EDT

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Since you asked, I shall add on to your question...
I wonder why AR have different positions for the collapsible stock?

Seriously though, it is all about preference, the question you asked is rather......weird and self explanatory.
Also, yes, you are doing it wrong, you shouldn't have your nose on the CH. Or maybe you just like the CH that much?

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:09:08 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:13:30 PM EDT

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It was the most comfortable position but I used fixed stocks now

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:20:19 PM EDT

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It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

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Yes.

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:23:24 PM EDT

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I run all of mine one notch from fully extended. Am I doing it wrong?

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:31:24 PM EDT

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Try shooting prone off a bipod with a spr with the stock collapsed. You will then see the light and realized it doesn't work very well.

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It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

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Posted: 9/26/2014 10:33:16 PM EDT

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Super non AR savvy. First timer.

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:33:44 PM EDT

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It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

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learned in military qualifications my gruops are tighter with the stock full leagnth. learn how to tell your leangth of pull you'll find it most likely full leangth.

try here

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:39:04 PM EDT

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I run all of mine one notch from fully extended. Am I doing it wrong?

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Nope, not if it's comfortable and your groups are good. I've got a big chest and big, long arms, and I run my stocks on position (3) in the middle. It's about whats comfortable and works well for you while maintaining good accuracy.

Posted: 9/26/2014 10:39:11 PM EDT

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It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

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Because they have a clue about what they're doing. You don't.

And after seeing some of your threads, I believe you fall into the "non AR savvy people" group.

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:10:18 PM EDT

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I'm 6'4 and my arms go half way to my knees. I position my stock like I position my car seat.

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:14:15 PM EDT

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Super non AR savvy. First timer.

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http://aliastraining.com/images/products/detail/dsc_2084.4.jpg

Because Frank Procter.

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:17:55 PM EDT

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OP ever heard of eye relief?? Doubt it.

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:22:59 PM EDT

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Because I am 6'6"

I wish there was one more click too...

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:26:18 PM EDT

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Yes you are doing it wrong. Only time my stock would be collapsed is if im in tight quarters, otherwise I run em fully extended

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:42:27 PM EDT

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Mine goes on the 1st or 2nd position from collapsed. Not many people I've ever shot with run it all the way out.

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:43:05 PM EDT

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It's all about consistency. If when you shoulder the rifle you're getting the same cheek weld, sight picture, you're comfy, and your groups are good, don't worry to much about it. I shoot with mine one notch out from fully collapsed to shoot ntch. I also shoot this way with the same gun when I have my scope on(ammo testing/longer range stuff). Albeit I run a an extended scope mount so eye relief is a non issue with proper setup.

Posted: 9/26/2014 11:44:40 PM EDT

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Some do it to put their support hand farther forward for more control, especially on a carbine length handguard.

Posted: 9/27/2014 12:01:32 AM EDT

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I'm going to advance a different theory here.

Some people are have lots of experience with various modern sporting rifles and just hold the gun a different way.

Others... some people grew up on full size bolt and lever guns without the luxury of adjustable length of pull. They're used to holding the rifle in a more bladed stance, so when they pick up an AR with a collapsed stock, it feels too damn short for them, so out it comes to the max length.

If that's what works for them it's fine by me.

Posted: 9/27/2014 12:31:06 AM EDT

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It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

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Yes...I am not a midget.

Posted: 9/27/2014 1:00:24 AM EDT

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Yes you are doing it wrong. Only time my stock would be collapsed is if im in tight quarters, otherwise I run em fully extended

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This. And what some others have said. Length of pull and natural comfort. For me, a 6 foot 4 inch guy, full stock extension lets me still comfortably put my eyes up on the sights (or nose to receiver if you prefer). Full extension is the most stable base, but if you are short and short armed there may be a happier setting for you in a semi-collapsed position. I really doubt fully collapsed is ideal unless you are in confined quarters as MILSPEC556 said. Or you have T Rex arms.

Posted: 9/27/2014 1:02:09 AM EDT

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So it will fit in the rack.

Posted: 9/27/2014 1:19:33 AM EDT

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I always need 2 more notches than most ARs have. I put a thick recoil pad on every rifle I've ever bought trying to get more LOP.
15.5 inches is about right for me. 13.25 if I'm shooting squared up. I normally shoot bladed, the way the Army used to teach before armor became standard.

Posted: 9/27/2014 2:44:46 AM EDT

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It's preference, we all have different body types.
I'm 5'10 and I like my stock almost all they way closed, sometimes one click out.

Posted: 9/27/2014 2:48:49 AM EDT

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It's mostly non AR savvy people I've noticed but I've noticed some people tend to adjust the stock completely out to the end. I don't understand why? I leave mine all the way collapsed and my nose rests above the charging handle or sometimes right at it. Am I doing it wrong?

Yes.

No actually. He's not doing it wrong

Posted: 9/27/2014 4:38:03 AM EDT

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5 10 posistion 3

Posted: 9/27/2014 7:21:07 AM EDT

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Super non AR savvy. First timer.

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I'd imagine that's more for proper eye relief on that scope than anything.

Posted: 9/27/2014 7:23:11 AM EDT

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First, be careful throwing out words like "non-AR savvy"...you don't know what experience people have. Second, people from 4' 10" to 6' 8" shoot the AR, so there are differing LOPs. Are you doing it wrong? Maybe, maybe not, depends on what you want to do.

Posted: 9/27/2014 7:27:57 AM EDT

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First, be careful throwing out words like "non-AR savvy"...you don't know what experience people have. Second, people from 4' 10" to 6' 8" shoot the AR, so there are differing LOPs. Are you doing it wrong? Maybe, maybe not, depends on what you want to do.

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Better raise the top limit lol. I'm 6'9"

Posted: 9/27/2014 8:25:23 AM EDT

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Super non AR savvy. First timer.

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shooting fail! stock all the way out...

ETA:

nose not close enough to charging handle

no tactical vertical grip
no angled backup sights
no mag
no supermodel wife

Posted: 9/27/2014 8:30:34 AM EDT

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I set mine up so that with winter clothing, I am one or two clicks in from fully extended and my eye relief for the scope is still correct.
For summer shooting, I am all the way out. For us long-armed shooters, Vltor Emods are about an inch longer than most others.

Posted: 9/27/2014 8:34:34 AM EDT

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Because some people use a bladed stance and others use a squared up stance?

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:00:18 AM EDT

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I run all of mine one notch from fully extended. Am I doing it wrong?

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I do this for rested shooting (bench, bipod) but run it all the way in for off hand shooting.

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:01:46 AM EDT

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personal preference, i do it because i'm 6-5 and it's more comfortable for me

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:05:18 AM EDT

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I shoot with the stock fully extended and this is the reason I am replacing all the collapsable stocks I own.

I realized at one point fairly recently that the reason I bought adjustable/collapsable stocks is because they looked cool, and because the military uses them. Plus there is the forbidden fruit aspect also: during "the ban" you wern't allowed to put a collapsable/adjustable stock on a post-ban rifle; which made me want one.
What I realized is that I don't like collapsable/adjustable stocks and never did. And, I never adjust the stock. So what is the point ? As my age increased, I started paying more attention to how I actually use my rifles rather than how somebody else uses their rifle.

The argument I always heard is that it is nice for shooting with body armor on. Ok, I don't own body armor and I will never shoot with body armor on. That being said, I do have very short fixed stocks on my SBRs. After all, if you are trying to have a short rifle by shortening the barrel, why make it longer on the other end ?

But, just for the sake of argument; if the stock is adjustable, why is it wrong to use all the various positions it adjusts to ?

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:08:40 AM EDT

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Because hey haven't learned how to fight with a carbine yet. So they fit the carbine to them like its their NRA service rifle competition gun.

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:13:15 AM EDT

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I set mine up so that with winter clothing, I am one or two clicks in from fully extended and my eye relief for the scope is still correct.
For summer shooting, I am all the way out. For us long-armed shooters, Vltor Emods are about an inch longer than most others.

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How long armed? I'm 6' tall with unusually long arms and I run my EMOD 1 click out.

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:15:31 AM EDT

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I always need 2 more notches than most ARs have. I put a thick recoil pad on every rifle I've ever bought trying to get more LOP.
15.5 inches is about right for me. 13.25 if I'm shooting squared up. I normally shoot bladed, the way the Army used to teach before armor became standard.

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Even without armor square up is better. No need to expose both lungs to any single bit. Front towards enemy is not just for claymores.

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:20:05 AM EDT

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Yeah I run mine all the way extended and it still feels short to me. Of course I'm also tall 6'4". Now if I throw on some body armor and am doing CQB stuff, then yeah I'll collapse the stock a few clicks in. Shorter people can run the rifle with the stock fully collapsed, but I believe the stock length should be based on your height.

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:31:37 AM EDT

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+1
I'm sure the fine company's that all make collapsible stocks do it to make the shooter comfortable. Hell even vltor has a receiver extension with a 7th notch.
Personal preference.

Posted: 9/27/2014 9:31:50 AM EDT

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Even without armor square up is better. No need to expose both lungs to any single bit. Front towards enemy is not just for claymores.

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I always need 2 more notches than most ARs have. I put a thick recoil pad on every rifle I've ever bought trying to get more LOP.
15.5 inches is about right for me. 13.25 if I'm shooting squared up. I normally shoot bladed, the way the Army used to teach before armor became standard.

Even without armor square up is better. No need to expose both lungs to any single bit. Front towards enemy is not just for claymores.

I get pissed when people talk about blading to hide our bodies from the target. You know why we shoot deer broadside? To double lung them. You know what shot sucks on a deer? Squared up to you.