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Posted: 11/2/2018 4:09:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta:
I'm curious on this because the conventional wisdom says they HAVE to be up front, which can cause problems with light, sling, and front sight. I think we can all agree that the NZSAS are the real deal, and they're going opposite that here. Reasons? Possibly less vulnerable to damage? Possibly less receiver flex/better zero retention? Possibly a demand that the front iron sight be retained? |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 12:52:23 PM EDT
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Anyone with an mlok upper mind measuring the height and width of the handguard? Or can anybody give me a good idea of girth compared to another manufacturers handguard?
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Posted: 11/3/2018 1:57:36 PM EDT
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Anyone know if there are any issues with the NZ barrel with bayo lug fitting under the full length rail? I am assuming not, but figured better to make sure...
Thanks! |
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Posted: 11/3/2018 2:13:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vugger:
Anyone know if there are any issues with the NZ barrel with bayo lug fitting under the full length rail? I am assuming not, but figured better to make sure... Thanks! |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2018 6:24:25 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThePitt:
Anyone with an mlok upper mind measuring the height and width of the handguard? Or can anybody give me a good idea of girth compared to another manufacturers handguard? I have a rifle length mlock upper. Width is roughly 1.5”, height is 1 15/16” |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:46:16 AM EDT
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You guys with the MLOK uppers, any issue removing the barrel with attachments on the rail? Saw something a while ago on this but don't remember. I'm thinking of adding an MLOK version to the fleet.
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Posted: 11/4/2018 11:50:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Unreconstructed]
[#7]
^ you can't remove the MRP barrel with attachments in the mlok slots.
Edited to ad: This is what I read and don't have personal experience. My MRP's are all Picatinny. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2018 1:57:03 PM EDT
[#8]
I have a rail on the bottom for my bipod and a rail on the side for an IR illuminator and I’ve never had to pull them to swap barrels. You have to guide the barrel by them but they clear just fine.
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USA
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Posted: 11/4/2018 2:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Unreconstructed:
^ you can't remove the MRP barrel with attachments in the mlok slots. Edited to ad: This is what I read and don't have personal experience. My MRP's are all Picatinny. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2018 2:52:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Sounds good. I wonder if it could be brand specific, for instance, I had to shorten one screw on a Magpul pic rail as it hit the gas block on a standard AR. Is there a published weight difference between 1913 and MLOK, clean?
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Posted: 11/4/2018 5:22:48 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark5pt56:
Sounds good. I wonder if it could be brand specific, for instance, I had to shorten one screw on a Magpul pic rail as it hit the gas block on a standard AR. Is there a published weight difference between 1913 and MLOK, clean? |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 5:59:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
I asked them on one of @jtdam24 's IG posts and they said the MLOK is about 2 ounces lighter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By mark5pt56:
Sounds good. I wonder if it could be brand specific, for instance, I had to shorten one screw on a Magpul pic rail as it hit the gas block on a standard AR. Is there a published weight difference between 1913 and MLOK, clean? |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:46:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MonolithicRP]
[#13]
Rifle chassis quad rail: 28.4 oz.
Rifle chassis m-lok: 23.1 oz. Net weight savings is 5.3 oz. ETA: The CQB chassis with quad rail is 22.9 oz. I don't have a CQB m-lok chassis so I don't know the weight, but the LM8 is 21.1 oz. I think the m-lok should be lighter than that. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2018 8:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hammermill290:
Rifle chassis quad rail: 28.4 oz. Rifle chassis m-lok: 23.1 oz. Net weight savings is 5.3 oz. ETA: The CQB chassis with quad rail is 22.9 oz. I don't have a CQB m-lok chassis so I don't know the weight, but the LM8 is 21.1 oz. I think the m-lok should be lighter than that. |
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Posted: 11/4/2018 10:40:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh:
That's a lot less than what I would have imagined Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By mark5pt56:
Sounds good. I wonder if it could be brand specific, for instance, I had to shorten one screw on a Magpul pic rail as it hit the gas block on a standard AR. Is there a published weight difference between 1913 and MLOK, clean? Originally Posted By hammermill290:
Rifle chassis quad rail: 28.4 oz. Rifle chassis m-lok: 23.1 oz. Net weight savings is 5.3 oz. ETA: The CQB chassis with quad rail is 22.9 oz. I don't have a CQB m-lok chassis so I don't know the weight, but the LM8 is 21.1 oz. I think the m-lok should be lighter than that. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2018 10:27:45 PM EDT
[#16]
FYI the MRP-16 MARS rifle is back in stock at sportsman’s outdoor super store for $1500.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 8:24:28 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WBUG762:
FYI the MRP-16 MARS rifle is back in stock at sportsman’s outdoor super store for $1500. Cheers |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2018 2:01:08 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WBUG762:
FYI the MRP-16 MARS rifle is back in stock at sportsman’s outdoor super store for $1500. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2018 2:59:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark5pt56: Couldn't resist, I'm weak 
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Posted: 11/8/2018 5:42:32 PM EDT
[#20]
Yeah, thanks a lot guys, they're out of stock now
I decided to order a MARS-L stripped lower since I didn't get the complete rifle before it went OOS again. There's a shop on gunbroker that has the lowers for $240 shipped and should have a couple left if anyone else is looking for one. If you can't find it, message me and I'll send you a link. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/9/2018 3:53:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hammermill290:
Yeah, thanks a lot guys, they're out of stock now
I decided to order a MARS-L stripped lower since I didn't get the complete rifle before it went OOS again. There's a shop on gunbroker that has the lowers for $240 shipped and should have a couple left if anyone else is looking for one. If you can't find it, message me and I'll send you a link. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 8:42:22 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta:
Tombstone Tactical has them for $229, and supposedly they can be ordered by your dealer direct for less. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:10:05 AM EDT
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I got mine from https://thoroughbredarmco.com for $231 shipped. Out of stock at the moment, but they seem to get items fairly regularly.
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Posted: 11/9/2018 1:19:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2018 5:39:09 PM EDT
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I felt like I was going old school today with an old quad picatinny MRP. I'm torn between these and the slim/slick versions, it just seems like the quad railed version doesn't heat up as fast as the others and I still think pic rails are the most secure mounting method. I was starting to think I might sell my old quad railed uppers, now not so sure. It gives me the warm fuzzies
Also tried out a Griffin blast shield and it works well for it's intended purpose. I put an obnoxious muzzle device (the flash comp) on the gun, then spent another $100+ to make it not as obnoxious. It's nice to have three options though (counting the suppressor). That flash comp without the shield really makes this gun shoot flat and smooth.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 5:41:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
I got mine from https://thoroughbredarmco.com for $231 shipped. Out of stock at the moment, but they seem to get items fairly regularly. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 5:44:56 PM EDT
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By the way, you guys that have the MARS rifles coming from Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore, if you don't mind can you let me know which trigger it came with? I know someone here got a couple that came with the two stage, but both Sportsman's and LMT told me they come with the single stage. Still a good deal either way.
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Posted: 11/11/2018 9:27:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m4hk33]
[#28]
13.5, sandman k, xh buffer, Full Auto BCG. Will post
   
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NZL
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Posted: 11/12/2018 3:36:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tj102]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta:
Guy second from left also seems to have a PEQ (though unclear I admit) to the rear of the rail. Any ideas on this? |
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USA
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Posted: 11/12/2018 3:58:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tj102:
Couple reasons could explain it. Can't be sure but he could be running a shorter barrel and therefore the carbine length receiver. Not so much and issue with a rifle receiver but with a carbine one (and/or larger guy) to obtain a CQB grip/Thumb over barrel, a PEQ would be in the way if located forwards on the top rail. Or sometimes some guys will prioritize support hand position over PEQ location and would likely adjust hand position for NV work. Not so much of an issue considering the head will likely be in a different position anyway to allow the NV goggles to clear the weapon and optic. The thumb over bore/"Costa Special" or different variations tends to loose some advantages if the support hand/arm is to far back or squared off. In the picture posted earlier, the operator has a short rail with short barrel and PEQ mounted aft on the rail, so in theory he could grip it thumb-over, at the cost of blocking his PEQ. But he's gripping it underhand up front and even gripping the light mounted at 3:00, which keeps the PEQ clear, so obviously he intends to use it that way. In that operators case, there's no obvious reason to have the PEQ back, since he must have the tape switch at 9:00, the light at 3:00, and only a front sight for the PEQ to deal with. (Actually it looks like he has no front sight attached.) So he seems to be worried about either blast, or zero, or damage to the PEQ. |
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NZL
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:36:45 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta:
Right, but in that case wouldn't it make more sense to use a "traditional"/underhand forend grip? In the picture posted earlier, the operator has a short rail with short barrel and PEQ mounted aft on the rail, so in theory he could grip it thumb-over, at the cost of blocking his PEQ. But he's gripping it underhand up front and even gripping the light mounted at 3:00, which keeps the PEQ clear, so obviously he intends to use it that way. In that operators case, there's no obvious reason to have the PEQ back, since he must have the tape switch at 9:00, the light at 3:00, and only a front sight for the PEQ to deal with. (Actually it looks like he has no front sight attached.) So he seems to be worried about either blast, or zero, or damage to the PEQ. Ultimately just personal preference and given the amount of rounds these guys go through daily, I'd say they're well tested and proven positions. Iron Sights (front or rear) are not that commonly attached across the Army especially the rear sight. Priority of placement always goes to the day optic and mounting of PEQ's/In-line night sights. Irons are generally zero'd and then removed and carried in a pouch, as it seen as having enough redundancy with the ACOG, RMR and attached emergency sight on the ACOG. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/13/2018 6:21:31 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tj102:
They will have their own reasoning or preference to why they have them set up their particular way. There's many reasons for the variations in some pics i.e. the guy maybe firing non master which could explain griping the torch. Through the pics you'll not a few have their PEQ/Torch switches on the 12 rail forwards of the PEQ. Also the short video gives little context into each of the very short sections edited together. Its pretty common here to see the torch on the master side rail. Ultimately just personal preference and given the amount of rounds these guys go through daily, I'd say they're well tested and proven positions. Iron Sights (front or rear) are not that commonly attached across the Army especially the rear sight. Priority of placement always goes to the day optic and mounting of PEQ's/In-line night sights. Irons are generally zero'd and then removed and carried in a pouch, as it seen as having enough redundancy with the ACOG, RMR and attached emergency sight on the ACOG. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2018 8:10:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hammermill290:
By the way, you guys that have the MARS rifles coming from Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore, if you don't mind can you let me know which trigger it came with? I know someone here got a couple that came with the two stage, but both Sportsman's and LMT told me they come with the single stage. Still a good deal either way. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:13:52 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark5pt56:
Arrived today, standard trigger, I was hoping! Haven't had a chance to look inside, but the exterior is great. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark5pt56:
Originally Posted By hammermill290:
By the way, you guys that have the MARS rifles coming from Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore, if you don't mind can you let me know which trigger it came with? I know someone here got a couple that came with the two stage, but both Sportsman's and LMT told me they come with the single stage. Still a good deal either way. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 8:39:27 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2018 6:07:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: The-Ant1-Liberal]
[#36]
Just picked this up about two weeks ago...now I'm in the market for some rail covers.
Edit: @mark5pt56, thanks...I took your advice. Magpul's Type 2 M-Lok rail covers have the feel of fairly coarse sandpaper...provides excellent purchase of the rail, even in wet conditions too. BEFORE... 
After... 
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2018 9:27:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mark5pt56]
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The Magpul ones are nice if you are getting heat on that barrel. Very good grip as well. When I first went to a slim MLOK HG, it was good for about three magazines at a fast pace, then you had to have gloves or go to the Magpul, which I despise. If you tempo is slow, the standard ones are fine.
https://www.magpul.com/products/m-lok-rail-cover-type-2 |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 10:13:15 AM EDT
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Rail scales are nice, a little pricey but I like them.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:46:57 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m4hk33:
13.5, sandman k, xh buffer, Full Auto BCG. Will post https://image.ibb.co/cEpzyV/20181111-201624.jpg https://preview.ibb.co/jJeckA/20181111-190040.jpg https://preview.ibb.co/hOuMCq/20181111-201211.jpg https://image.ibb.co/krWXkA/20181111-203836.jpg |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 12:10:43 PM EDT
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Stamp,
It's about .25 short |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/15/2018 6:02:05 PM EDT
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When did LMT start making the CQB chassis with front QD point? I just picked up one without it, curious.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 7:24:39 PM EDT
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How does your MWS like the Sandman? @m4hk33
I am thinking about getting a Sandman for myself to share across the MWS, MRP, Tavor, ARX and Sig 516 PDW build. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:04:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark5pt56:
When did LMT start making the CQB chassis with front QD point? I just picked up one without it, curious. I got a Rifle length chassis in 2008 that had just the rear cups. It's the 2nd generation chassis. The first generation MRP circa 2004-05 had no QD cups. Odd if you got a brand new 2nd gen. chassis in 2018. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 1:09:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
How does your MWS like the Sandman? @m4hk33 I am thinking about getting a Sandman for myself to share across the MWS, MRP, Tavor, ARX and Sig 516 PDW build. I would definitely consider a full size sandman. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:18:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreasyEasy: I bought a MRP CQB 10.5" top from LMT direct around 2010-11 time period and it has front and rear QD cups. It's the 3rd generation of the MRP railed chassis. I got a Rifle length chassis in 2008 that had just the rear cups. It's the 2nd generation chassis. The first generation MRP circa 2004-05 had no QD cups. Odd if you got a brand new 2nd gen. chassis in 2018. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 8:46:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m4hk33: Great combo, through my limited range time with it, didnt notice any excessive blow/pack pressure. They have a great mounting system and the mounts are not super expensive. I would definitely consider a full size sandman. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 2:01:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mkb1994]
[#47]
You won't be able to change barrels with mlok accessories installed because the mlok t-nut screws stick out too far when you have the accessory mounted. However, you can dremel the ends of the screws to be about flush with the t-nut when it's mounted, and you will be able to change barrels without taking off accessories no problem.
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USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 3:33:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mark5pt56: No it's as new, found it on another forum, smoking deal. Hard to resist good deals right now. 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:34:59 PM EDT
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Relatively new to posting on this forum. Add me to the list of NZ16ers wishing Trijicon would make the TA31NZ or at least variants with the same reticle and mk262 calibration available to civs in the US.
My own go at getting as clone correct as possible. The exception being the TA31F in red chevron. 
A kiwi glamour shot. 
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USA
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Posted: 11/17/2018 10:19:24 AM EDT
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What VFG is that? Is that what the NZ using...I've had a hard time finding that out.
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