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Posted: 1/29/2024 5:49:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: M4 Copy thanks! |
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Posted: 1/30/2024 10:15:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
[#2]
Just waiting on my man DT to score me a rail for one the other (6mm ARC) is going into a BLK II Recce setup with Ron's custom NSW Collar...........
   Debating on whether or not to get them KG Gunkote Flat Black while I wait................. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 11:01:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/6/2024 11:22:04 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote Historylooks like UTCXii |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 11:28:15 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryIs that a BAE dazzler? 
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Posted: 2/6/2024 12:26:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Is that a BAE dazzler? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/265672EA-B470-49A8-8FAD-96F31EBE1827-3120015.jpg Me thinks yes. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/6/2024 12:55:51 PM EDT
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Looks like a .300BLK with how close that gas block is to the receiver? Which IG are those pictures from?
Also, any idea on the can? |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 5:16:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By methical20: Looks like a .300BLK with how close that gas block is to the receiver? Which IG are those pictures from? Also, any idea on the can? Was told the can is either sig or Wilson combat. Pictures of that can had leaked awhile back ago but didn't show much. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/6/2024 6:55:11 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By methical20: Looks like a .300BLK with how close that gas block is to the receiver? Which IG are those pictures from? Also, any idea on the can? Sig. I'd bet my paycheck that the serial starts with LVAWSDxxxx. Same can on their AAC MPWs, which is what that gun looks to have started out as prior to a barrel and rail swap. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2024 8:33:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns: Sig. I'd bet my paycheck that the serial starts with LVAWSDxxxx. Same can on their AAC MPWs, which is what that gun looks to have started out as prior to a barrel and rail swap. The 1000yd SBR is risen!!!!!! AAC was so fucking cool. |
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Posted: 2/6/2024 10:08:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SecretSquirell]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Is that a BAE dazzler? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/265672EA-B470-49A8-8FAD-96F31EBE1827-3120015.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Is that a BAE dazzler? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/265672EA-B470-49A8-8FAD-96F31EBE1827-3120015.jpg B.E. Meyers Izlid. Looks similar to the Glare Mout but has a chonkier body. Glare for comparison.  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2024 11:46:46 AM EDT
[#12]
They sure like their long .300blks lol
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: They sure like their long .300blks lol Well they do use them as recces.... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 12:02:42 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Well they do use them as recces.... Yeah, the 1000yd guns lol. What ammo are they using? Black tip i assume for supers and what for subs?? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 1:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Yeah, the 1000yd guns lol. What ammo are they using? Black tip i assume for supers and what for subs?? From what I've seen evidence of, they're still using Black Hills loads for both. 110gr barnes for supers like you mentioned and 201gr subs. IIRC the 201gr subs are a Lehigh ME bullet. The bullet is fairly hard to get a load of commercially but they also make a 194gr ME bullet that theoretically performs the same or at least serves the same purpose. I standardized on it for "serious" subs and then use S&B 200gr for training. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:20:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: From what I've seen evidence of, they're still using Black Hills loads for both. 110gr barnes for supers like you mentioned and 201gr subs. IIRC the 201gr subs are a Lehigh ME bullet. The bullet is fairly hard to get a load of commercially but they also make a 194gr ME bullet that theoretically performs the same or at least serves the same purpose. I standardized on it for "serious" subs and then use S&B 200gr for training. @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive  Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. |
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Posted: 2/11/2024 4:39:34 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. |
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Posted: 2/11/2024 7:29:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
[#18]
That 300 might be slightly exaggerated on distance but I hope this CLE Douglas (6mm ARC) I'm about to build up into a NSW will be every bit of a effective 1000yd rifle.........
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Posted: 2/11/2024 8:11:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: That 300 might be slightly exaggerated on distance but I hope this CLE Douglas (6mm ARC) I'm about to build up into a NSW will be every bit of an effective 1000yd rifle......... 
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Posted: 2/11/2024 8:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I mean you could've just cloned DGs 6ARC rifle Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: That 300 might be slightly exaggerated on distance but I hope this CLE Douglas (6mm ARC) I'm about to build up into a NSW will be every bit of an effective 1000yd rifle......... I forgot I put the 6 arc barrel in my Block II Recce so it's gonna be a 556 gun................  |
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:15:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. The 201s do some amazing work on the intended targets. The 194s are effectively the exact same, so I would assume they would have the same terminal effects |
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Posted: 2/12/2024 12:59:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2024 3:34:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: beefboi99]
[#24]
My first clone build was my NSW 15.1 a few years ago with a Douglas CLE and I will never sell it. Still haven't shot the OG Seal Reece with the Lilja Barrel. Thanks to this group I have Reece Fever.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2024 3:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beefboi99: My first clone build was my NSW 15.1 a few years ago with a Douglas CLE and I will never sell it. Still haven't shot the OG Seal Reece with the Lilja Barrel. Thanks to this group I have Reece Fever. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/IMG_4412_jpeg-3129056.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/IMG_4415_jpeg-3129051.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/IMG_4655_jpeg-3129054.JPG More RAS less MI! |
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Posted: 2/14/2024 4:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: More RAS less MI! |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 2:06:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2024 4:07:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I mean you could've just cloned DGs 6ARC rifle The geissele gfr? Or is there another one? |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 9:10:09 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: The geissele gfr? Or is there another one? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:00:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Any idea of the specifics of Dev’s GFR? Scope, barrel length, suppressor, etc
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2024 11:39:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheGreatDanton]
[#31]
The photos I've got of the new 6arc setups currently at the squadrons are 16"-18" barrel, optics are atacrs and the cans are currently the AAC 416SD but they're currently testing a replacement from a newish company
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USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 12:20:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGreatDanton: The photos I've got of the new 6arc setups currently at the squadrons are 16"-18" barrel, optics are atacrs and the cans are currently the AAC 416SD but they're currently testing a replacement from a newish company Are they running a 5.56mm can with 6mm ARC ammo? Is that possible with the 416SD? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 2:25:25 AM EDT
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The rifle appears to be the 6arc rifle could be 16" 556 but it's def the 416SD, I know the trial rifle the Geissele had a different can that one may have been dead air. I'll see if I can get answers.
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Posted: 2/21/2024 8:46:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGreatDanton: The rifle appears to be the 6arc rifle could be 16" 556 but it's def the 416SD, I know the trial rifle the Geissele had a different can that one may have been dead air. I'll see if I can get answers. think you may be mistaken the. 416sd for a tan sd6n. Edit for clarity, we are referring to two different pics lol |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:32:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGreatDanton: The photos I've got of the new 6arc setups currently at the squadrons are 16"-18" barrel, optics are atacrs and the cans are currently the AAC 416SD but they're currently testing a replacement from a newish company Do you recall which ATACR on the 18”? |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 1:55:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stickyheat: Do you recall which ATACR on the 18"?  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 4:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Here is one of the few publicly available pics, also use the Leupold mk6. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_5241_jpeg-3136508.JPG That looks like an NX8 |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 5:00:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Trial gun was oss. think you may be mistaken the. 416sd for a tan sd6n. Edit for clarity, we are referring to two different pics lol I was mistaken, the setup I'm looking at is 16" and not the new 18" 6arc setup. The one I'm looking at is another setup currently being trialed. I apologize for the mistake. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2024 11:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Can from the rest of the JSOC leaks. Was told the can is either sig or Wilson combat. Pictures of that can had leaked awhile back ago but didn't show much. Pic of said Wilson combat can plz lol |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 11:11:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: Pic of said Wilson combat can plz lol |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 8:13:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Flyit14]
[#41]
What is the correct rail for the afsoc 416 recce?
They have the mk15 and the regular SMR. Also ddc or black? Edit: looks like it’s probably the OG 416 SMR. Alternate question. Has the NSW 416 recce ever been seen with a surefire can? |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 12:48:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: It's in the "fresh cut slides" pic, it's an sig can. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: It's in the "fresh cut slides" pic, it's an sig can. It is not a sig can. Originally Posted By Flyit14: What is the correct rail for the afsoc 416 recce? They have the mk15 and the regular SMR. Also ddc or black? Edit: looks like it’s probably the OG 416 SMR. Alternate question. Has the NSW 416 recce ever been seen with a surefire can? No, dev used(s) AAC & Ops Inc cans on their 416s. If you're referring to the chopped barrel ones, they're Ops Inc 12th models. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 12:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: It is not a sig can. No, dev used(s) AAC & Ops Inc cans on their 416s. If you're referring to the chopped barrel ones, they're Ops Inc 12th models. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 1:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Then what can is it? @usnguns is saying it is a sig If it's a sig can it's custom and same with the noveske barrel since it looks direct thread and noveske barrels don't have the tapered shoulder. It doesn't look like a normal can seen with the LVAWs. Like I have an SRD762TI-10 and it's too short and wide to be the can in question. The other SRD direct thread cans are also way too long to be the can in the pic. Same thing if it's a recent picture and somehow that's a new SLX/H can, it would have to be a not commercially available can because all the 7.62 offerings don't seem to match up in apparent length. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 2:02:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: If it's a sig can it's custom and same with the noveske barrel since it looks direct thread and noveske barrels don't have the tapered shoulder. It doesn't look like a normal can seen with the LVAWs. Like I have an SRD762TI-10 and it's too short and wide to be the can in question. The other SRD direct thread cans are also way too long to be the can in the pic. Same thing if it's a recent picture and somehow that's a new SLX/H can, it would have to be a not commercially available can because all the 7.62 offerings don't seem to match up in apparent length. Also, just like lvaw cans, it's not on the civilian market (at least I have yet to come across it). |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 2:45:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#46]
You guys need to get your history books out lol!!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2024 3:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: You guys need to get your history books out lol!! That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. anyway, I can't make out the can. For a second I thought it was the DA Sandman can but the can in question is wider, probably 1.6X-1.7X" width. That and it looks direct thread or the FH QD makes it look that way, sort of like the B&T FH and the Rotex III can on the HK417. give us a hint TC! 
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Posted: 2/22/2024 4:11:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. anyway, I can't make out the can. For a second I thought it was the DA Sandman can but the can in question is wider, probably 1.6X-1.7X" width. That and it looks direct thread or the FH QD makes it look that way, sort of like the B&T FH and the Rotex III can on the HK417. give us a hint TC! I think you guys are talking about two completely different rifles. But let's keep talking about the cool one TC is talking about and less about that sig canned Midwest railed abomination. |
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Posted: 2/22/2024 4:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: That would be a great book idea. The cloning encyclopedia. Kevin B & Ian have been working on a suppressor history book that I think is about 90% complete, and I'm guessing a lot of relevant stuff to this conversation will be in there when it comes out. Originally Posted By Omega9000: anyway, I can't make out the can. For a second I thought it was the DA Sandman can but the can in question is wider, probably 1.6X-1.7X" width. That and it looks direct thread or the FH QD makes it look that way, sort of like the B&T FH and the Rotex III can on the HK417. give us a hint TC! The best hint I can give you is that it would be a mistake to assume that because something says "LVAW" on it that it came from Sig. A handful of companies participated in that solicitation, Sig just happened to win a contract. The can was never released and sold to the civilian market though, so don't get your hopes too high. The history aspect of it is really fun but just like most things JSOC, cloning is not easy. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2024 5:10:33 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: I think you guys are talking about two completely different rifles. But let's keep talking about the cool one TC is talking about and less about that sig canned Midwest railed abomination. I'd totally build that abomination lol. The KAC URX rail and SDN6 is heavy. |
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