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Posted: 5/16/2017 9:38:08 PM EDT
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ADCO firearms they're a sponsor.
you'd have to ask them about the colt barrel rollmarks. |
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Posted: 5/16/2017 9:43:50 PM EDT
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Don't specify the cut length. Specify the desired finished length (16" minimum) when you send it off. The machinist will calculate where to cut the bore and where to place the shoulder, which is the important cut because it determines where the A2 FH will rest. Anyway, I had a 16" Colt HBAR cut this way at ADCO and it turned out great. Its a big improvement in handling and appearance for such a short piece of barrel to be removed.
I didn't lose any markings except part of the 'R' at the end of 'HBAR'. Just wondering, how could they restore markings that would be cut off anyway? The space they occupied is gone. He would have to place the markings somewhere else which would be bogus. And what markings possibly could be affected by this work? |
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Posted: 5/16/2017 10:05:15 PM EDT
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Personally think you're much better off to sell your current barrel and buy one in the length you want.
It's probably a wash money wise and your roll marks will be factory fresh. |
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Posted: 5/16/2017 10:10:12 PM EDT
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ADCO or Class 3 Machining
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Posted: 5/16/2017 10:24:52 PM EDT
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John Thomas of RetroArmsWorks is pretty good and quick.
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Posted: 5/16/2017 10:45:05 PM EDT
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Thanks for the quick responses & advice.
Please keep it coming. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 1:32:46 PM EDT
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I would recommend not using ADCO, Retro Arms Works, Paladin Machine, or Nefarious Arms. I've had bad experiences with all of them.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 1:45:27 PM EDT
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I would recommend not using ADCO, Retro Arms Works, Paladin Machine, or Nefarious Arms. I've had bad experiences with all of them. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 1:52:11 PM EDT
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i know rainier does perm attaches. and will do nitrided muzzle devices that adco won't.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 2:02:40 PM EDT
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Surely you have several other places to recommend, right? If you don't, it appears as though you may be the problem with a record like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would recommend not using ADCO, Retro Arms Works, Paladin Machine, or Nefarious Arms. I've had bad experiences with all of them. ADCO has cut a barrel to the wrong length, Retro Arms Works has re-profiled a barrel that looked like it was done by hand, Paladin Machine has re-profiled a barrel that had contours that weren't parallel with the bore and a horrible re-finish, and Nefarious Arms held a barrel and payment for a year and never completed any work on it. How was I the problem? |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 2:08:32 PM EDT
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Just out of curiosity, why do people do this? Can you REALLY notice any difference between a 14.5" and a 16" barrel, at least enough to go through the effort and expense, not to mention being stuck with a permanent flash hider? I don't get it.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 3:44:35 PM EDT
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No places to recommend. I actually just posted a thread the other day looking for a good company. ADCO has cut a barrel to the wrong length, Retro Arms Works has re-profiled a barrel that looked like it was done by hand, Paladin Machine has re-profiled a barrel that had contours that weren't parallel with the bore and a horrible re-finish, and Nefarious Arms held a barrel and payment for a year and never completed any work on it. How was I the problem? |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 3:45:38 PM EDT
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Just out of curiosity, why do people do this? Can you REALLY notice any difference between a 14.5" and a 16" barrel, at least enough to go through the effort and expense, not to mention being stuck with a permanent flash hider? I don't get it. ask any woman. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:06:21 PM EDT
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Just out of curiosity, why do people do this? Can you REALLY notice any difference between a 14.5" and a 16" barrel, at least enough to go through the effort and expense, not to mention being stuck with a permanent flash hider? I don't get it. Today I own two 14.5s, one 16 and one 20". Again, having your barrel cut is about the same or more money as selling you 16" barrel and buying a factory 14.5" barrel. The negative is the upper will lose value and your barrel markings will be cut in half and look stupid. Selling the 16" and buying a new 14.5" will give you a brand new barrel with complete markings and not hurt you upper's value and you might just save money. ADCO charges $75 to cut and thread it, $30 to crown it and $34 for the BCM XA2 Flash Hider and $40 to weld the muzzle devise on, this is $179 and this is only if you send them your barrel stripped. For $180 you can buy an all but new barrel, I see them in the EE all the time, "like new" Colt 14.5s for that much and $40 to weld and pin and $34 for the same muzzle devise. Then sell your barrel for $150 and it cost you around $105 for a new barrel as opposed to $180 to chop up your barrel. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 4:29:09 PM EDT
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I remember that discussion. I believe the consensus was that you were not clear enough when speaking with them about the dimension you wanted the barrel to be after all work was complete, if I remember correctly, they offered to meet you half way and you dug your heels in insisting it was their fault. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No places to recommend. I actually just posted a thread the other day looking for a good company. ADCO has cut a barrel to the wrong length, Retro Arms Works has re-profiled a barrel that looked like it was done by hand, Paladin Machine has re-profiled a barrel that had contours that weren't parallel with the bore and a horrible re-finish, and Nefarious Arms held a barrel and payment for a year and never completed any work on it. How was I the problem? |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:06:02 PM EDT
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Have had work done but ADCO and Nefarious Arms....no problems with either of them
Would not hesitate to recommend either. ADCO will have a quicker tipurn time and be a bit cheaper, Marvin is a bit more detail oriented, but it comes at a cost. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 5:19:43 PM EDT
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A lot of places do work, not everyplace does good work. I am very happy with ADCO.
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:55:19 PM EDT
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Personally think you're much better off to sell your current barrel and buy one in the length you want. It's probably a wash money wise and your roll marks will be factory fresh. Thank you! That's what I did, buying a Colt 14.5" 1/7 M4 barrel, et Cetera off the EE. Now to choose between the Vortex or the BCM Extended A2 FH. Leaning toward the BCM... |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 11:58:49 PM EDT
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I would get the AAC blackout and not look back.
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Posted: 5/20/2017 12:08:32 AM EDT
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^^^
No thanks, I'm trying to quit. 
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Posted: 5/20/2017 12:41:06 AM EDT
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Bill, & all who advised same, Thank you! That's what I did, buying a Colt 14.5" 1/7 M4 barrel, et Cetera off the EE. Now to choose between the Vortex or the BACK Extended A2 FH. Leaning toward the BCM... |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 6:52:21 AM EDT
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No places to recommend. I actually just posted a thread the other day looking for a good company. ADCO has cut a barrel to the wrong length, Retro Arms Works has re-profiled a barrel that looked like it was done by hand, Paladin Machine has re-profiled a barrel that had contours that weren't parallel with the bore and a horrible re-finish, and Nefarious Arms held a barrel and payment for a year and never completed any work on it. How was I the problem? |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 7:30:07 AM EDT
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No places to recommend. I actually just posted a thread the other day looking for a good company. ADCO has cut a barrel to the wrong length |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 7:31:29 AM EDT
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ADCO charges $75 to cut and thread it, $30 to crown it and $34 for the BCM XA2 Flash Hider and $40 to weld the muzzle devise on, this is $179 and this is only if you send them your barrel stripped. |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 7:59:39 AM EDT
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I would just get a pistol lower and do whatever barrel length you want. The last thing I'd ever want is a permanently pinned muzzle device. But also, IDGAF about 1.5". In my view my 6920's are closer to the real M4 with a 16.1" barrel than with a pinned flash hider, especially when that flash boxer is a longer than normal one.
I've never liked pinned stuff. My first AR was a 10.5" with a 5.5" pinned device and all I could think about was a suppressor. Now I have a suppressor and I can put it on any of my AR's. And of course since I have a suppressor I had to get a short barrel upper so it isn't so dang long, and I love it as a pistol with zero plans to SBR. |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 8:38:04 AM EDT
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The threading fee includes crowning, and it's only $30 to perm extended A2 flash hiders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ADCO charges $75 to cut and thread it, $30 to crown it and $34 for the BCM XA2 Flash Hider and $40 to weld the muzzle devise on, this is $179 and this is only if you send them your barrel stripped. I bought an LMT 14.5" upper a few years back. I had the seller send it directly to you to have brake permanently installed. I was quite happy with your work. My thoughts above shouldn't reflect that your prices are out of line or that you do shoddy work but only that cutting a barrel shorter is a considerable amount of work and often the solution I threw out usually is a better avenue to take. I feel comfortable recommending you work to my friends. |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 8:39:40 AM EDT
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Personally think you're much better off to sell your current barrel and buy one in the length you want. It's probably a wash money wise and your roll marks will be factory fresh. ETA: Before I had a shop and a lathe I sent out to ADCO. Outstanding customer service in my experience. |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 9:23:50 AM EDT
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Wrong length? Too long, too short? When did this happen? Did you contact anyone from ADCO about the problem, if so was there a resolution? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No places to recommend. I actually just posted a thread the other day looking for a good company. ADCO has cut a barrel to the wrong length What I wanted it to look like:  Attached FileWhat it arrived like (just a hair long at the shoulder but it was off more at the muzzle):  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 9:44:57 AM EDT
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This was a retro barrel I sent in for a friend with detailed dimensions and a picture. Being a retro build it was important that it looked exactly like the original. I ended up having someone just remove some material from the shoulder but then I also had to remove some threads from the inside of the muzzle device so that it could thread all the way down. Now that I'm thinking about it, I was also disappointed in the FSB forge flashing removal job (had scratch marks like it was done with rough sand paper) and re-finish (I could see the original barrel markings through the park) as well. What I wanted it to look like: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/Colt-607-014-212337.JPG What it arrived like (just a hair long at the shoulder but it was off more at the muzzle): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC-0040-212339.JPG |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 9:49:22 AM EDT
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Thanks for clearing that up. If you made no effort to contact us with your concern, I'll file you under the 10% of the people we cant make happy 90% of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was a retro barrel I sent in for a friend with detailed dimensions and a picture. Being a retro build it was important that it looked exactly like the original. I ended up having someone just remove some material from the shoulder but then I also had to remove some threads from the inside of the muzzle device so that it could thread all the way down. Now that I'm thinking about it, I was also disappointed in the FSB forge flashing removal job (had scratch marks like it was done with rough sand paper) and re-finish (I could see the original barrel markings through the park) as well. What I wanted it to look like: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/Colt-607-014-212337.JPG What it arrived like (just a hair long at the shoulder but it was off more at the muzzle): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC-0040-212339.JPG |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 11:15:14 AM EDT
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I have used ADCO Firearms for at least ten years and over fifteen projects. I have never been disappointed in any way.
To the contrary I remain amazed by every experience for speed of return and quality machine work. I honestly don't know how they can do it. I think the longest turn around time was ten days. This is unheard of in the custom gunsmithing community. The prices are more than reasonable IMO. Thanks Steve for a many jobs well done. |
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Posted: 5/21/2017 12:01:10 AM EDT
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John Thomas at Retro Arms Works. Don't let the "retro" fool you, he does all sorts of work and it's all quality.
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Posted: 6/27/2017 9:23:19 PM EDT
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Got mine back today. 14.5" M4 Barrel with BCM Extended A2 P&W.
Will try to post pics tomorrow... |
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Posted: 6/30/2017 3:50:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2017 7:23:53 PM EDT
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I FINALLY polished off my M4 build with a TAO1NSN last week. It's a 14.7" cut and pin that ADCO did.
I will only send to ADCO. They've never screwed the pooch, and they've successfully unbuggered stuff that another guy fked up the first time. I don't have time for bullshit. I need things done correctly and timely. ADCO delivers. Go with a 14.7" cut. The extended A2s are good in a pinch, but don't look right. Going 14.7 with a standard A2 will save money and look more better. 
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Posted: 6/30/2017 7:46:45 PM EDT
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You will get a better finished product by starting with a new barrel.
I've had positive experiences with both ADCO and retro arms works. |
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Posted: 7/1/2017 11:33:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2017 11:36:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/1/2017 11:40:07 PM EDT
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Colt 14.5" Barrel, BCM Extended A2 (P&W):
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Posted: 7/2/2017 9:59:15 AM EDT
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I did ask you to fix the scratches on the FSB. When it came back the second time still with scratches and the poor park job I decided to cut my losses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was a retro barrel I sent in for a friend with detailed dimensions and a picture. Being a retro build it was important that it looked exactly like the original. I ended up having someone just remove some material from the shoulder but then I also had to remove some threads from the inside of the muzzle device so that it could thread all the way down. Now that I'm thinking about it, I was also disappointed in the FSB forge flashing removal job (had scratch marks like it was done with rough sand paper) and re-finish (I could see the original barrel markings through the park) as well. What I wanted it to look like: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/Colt-607-014-212337.JPG What it arrived like (just a hair long at the shoulder but it was off more at the muzzle): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC-0040-212339.JPG I've had them do numerous work orders without a problem. I even fucked a work order up and they were able to confirm the issues with me before doing what I had mistakenly asked. |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 10:00:24 AM EDT
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I thought I thought that, but I bought a 14.5" AR. Today I own two 14.5s, one 16 and one 20". Again, having your barrel cut is about the same or more money as selling you 16" barrel and buying a factory 14.5" barrel. The negative is the upper will lose value and your barrel markings will be cut in half and look stupid. Selling the 16" and buying a new 14.5" will give you a brand new barrel with complete markings and not hurt you upper's value and you might just save money. ADCO charges $75 to cut and thread it, $30 to crown it and $34 for the BCM XA2 Flash Hider and $40 to weld the muzzle devise on, this is $179 and this is only if you send them your barrel stripped. For $180 you can buy an all but new barrel, I see them in the EE all the time, "like new" Colt 14.5s for that much and $40 to weld and pin and $34 for the same muzzle devise. Then sell your barrel for $150 and it cost you around $105 for a new barrel as opposed to $180 to chop up your barrel.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 10:10:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow show a pic with Fixed Bayonet!
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Posted: 7/2/2017 10:47:59 AM EDT
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Looks like ADCO is the real winner here. I've had them do numerous work orders without a problem. I even fucked a work order up and they were able to confirm the issues with me before doing what I had mistakenly asked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This was a retro barrel I sent in for a friend with detailed dimensions and a picture. Being a retro build it was important that it looked exactly like the original. I ended up having someone just remove some material from the shoulder but then I also had to remove some threads from the inside of the muzzle device so that it could thread all the way down. Now that I'm thinking about it, I was also disappointed in the FSB forge flashing removal job (had scratch marks like it was done with rough sand paper) and re-finish (I could see the original barrel markings through the park) as well. What I wanted it to look like: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/Colt-607-014-212337.JPG What it arrived like (just a hair long at the shoulder but it was off more at the muzzle): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/138579/DSC-0040-212339.JPG I've had them do numerous work orders without a problem. I even fucked a work order up and they were able to confirm the issues with me before doing what I had mistakenly asked. |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 10:53:47 AM EDT
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I did ask you to fix the scratches on the FSB. When it came back the second time still with scratches and the poor park job I decided to cut my losses. |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 11:45:01 AM EDT
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Pictures of the FSB? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did ask you to fix the scratches on the FSB. When it came back the second time still with scratches and the poor park job I decided to cut my losses. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:49:50 AM EDT
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Some pics of original FSBs. Some machine marks and evevn some forge flash can/should be evident:
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:17:43 AM EDT
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Some pics of original FSBs. Some machine marks and evevn some forge flash can/should be evident: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/111652/Screenshot-2017-07-04-at-9-245745.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/111652/Screenshot-2017-07-04-at-9-245748.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/111652/Screenshot-2017-07-04-at-9-245755.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/111652/Screenshot-2017-07-04-at-9-245757.JPG |
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