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Posted: 12/24/2016 5:22:32 PM EDT
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It's a Norgon knockoff. Norgon's patent on Ambi-Catch appears to have expired, and this thing is an outright copy.
I see Botach selling it, that right there should tell you something, these guys love to copy other people's IP even when the patent hasn't expired. Can you post a pic of their BAD-ASS knockoff? My name is on the patent, and I don't take kindly to any unscrupulous IP thieves. |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 6:00:23 PM EDT
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I don't have one of the knock off BAD-ASS selectors but here's a pic off the website. I was wrong though, it's from a company called Kley-Zion and not Battle Steel.
It's similar to the BADD-ASS but not as close of a clone as the mag release.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 6:10:57 PM EDT
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Thanks, I've seen it before, and probably know the person behind it. He has the decency to not copy the BAD-ASS too closely.
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Posted: 12/25/2016 8:36:55 AM EDT
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Thanks, I've seen it before, and probably know the person behind it. He has the decency to not copy the BAD-ASS too closely. "Decency". |
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Posted: 12/25/2016 11:43:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/25/2016 12:00:01 PM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 12/25/2016 12:52:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/25/2016 1:59:17 PM EDT
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Funny, I came across those Battle Steel ambi mag releases last night after googling ambi mag releases. I was intrigued by the price and Norgon resemblence.
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Posted: 12/25/2016 2:20:09 PM EDT
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I'm a lefty but don't want anything to do with ambi mag releases. No way.
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Posted: 12/25/2016 4:41:51 PM EDT
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With Norgon charging a stupid amount of money for a tiny piece of metal, I don't feel bad at all buying a knockoff. Is there a reputable store that sells these?
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Posted: 12/25/2016 4:52:41 PM EDT
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Never heard of Battle Steel before but Kley-Zion are Botach made products. They may be ditching the K-Z name for Battle Steel now.
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Posted: 12/25/2016 8:26:30 PM EDT
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With Norgon charging a stupid amount of money for a tiny piece of metal, I don't feel bad at all buying a knockoff. Is there a reputable store that sells these? I got one on EBAY just search for Norgon and it will come up for like $35 shipping to you While it is a copy the Norgon has a stronger/stiffer spring in the catch part. Otherwise it is hard to tell minus the patent number in the Norgon |
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Posted: 12/25/2016 9:59:18 PM EDT
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The replaceable levers isn't the patented part. When the OP said the Battle Steel selector looked dang close to the BAD-ASS, I asked him to post a picture.
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Posted: 12/26/2016 8:59:37 AM EDT
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With Norgon charging a stupid amount of money for a tiny piece of metal, I don't feel bad at all buying a knockoff. Is there a reputable store that sells these? I know Botach has a bad rep, but surprisingly enough the three orders I placed with them in the last couple months have all arrived within a week. Another member than gave me the heads up on the Battle Steel ambi catch had his within a week also. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 11:59:55 AM EDT
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It's a Norgon knockoff. Norgon's patent on Ambi-Catch appears to have expired, and this thing is an outright copy. I see Botach selling it, that right there should tell you something, these guys love to copy other people's IP even when the patent hasn't expired. Can you post a pic of their BAD-ASS knockoff? My name is on the patent, and I don't take kindly to any unscrupulous IP thieves. Has it been 20 years on the norgon patent?I'm getting old 
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Posted: 12/26/2016 12:32:08 PM EDT
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With Norgon charging a stupid amount of money for a tiny piece of metal, I don't feel bad at all buying a knockoff. Is there a reputable store that sells these? I own 4 Norgons and would happily buy a suitable knockoff. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 12:33:36 PM EDT
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Yep, it's been 20 years, sure flew by just like that. Maybe they will bring down their prices now that anyone can copy them, but they have an NSN (not sure about military contract) so I don't expect them to.
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Posted: 2/21/2017 7:37:25 PM EDT
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I know the thread is a couple months old, but I've had this mag release for a while (from botach, which I didn't want to order from, but was epically surprised on how fast it came in, and ability to use my PayPal funds)...
figured it was a cheap alternative to the norgon until I could find a legit one... I won't be looking for the norgon one anymore, I put these in all my milspec lowers and they have been fantastic. Now that I saw they make a ambi safety, I'll be buying it, and compare it to the Bad-ASS, which I love, if I don't like it as much I'll end up throwing it in my spare parts and leftovers AR! I've put quite a few rounds and mag changes through this release and I've had zero issues. I definitely trust it. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:35:28 PM EDT
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I know the thread is a couple months old, but I've had this mag release for a while (from botach, which I didn't want to order from, but was epically surprised on how fast it came in, and ability to use my PayPal funds)... figured it was a cheap alternative to the norgon until I could find a legit one... I won't be looking for the norgon one anymore, I put these in all my milspec lowers and they have been fantastic. Now that I saw they make a ambi safety, I'll be buying it, and compare it to the Bad-ASS, which I love, if I don't like it as much I'll end up throwing it in my spare parts and leftovers AR! I've put quite a few rounds and mag changes through this release and I've had zero issues. I definitely trust it. Picked one up as well and like it. Because of tolerance stacking it is a hair too tight in my DD but fine in my Colt. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 9:46:05 PM EDT
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I ordered the ambi mag release when this thread popped up. So far it's been flawless.
I don't have a Norgon to compare it to, but thre part looks perfect. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 7:33:38 PM EDT
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After using both the Norgon and the Battle Steel for awhile I think the Norgon is a little bit smoother but not enough that It's worth the extra money. I put the Norgon on my main rifle and have the Battle Steel on the others.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 10:18:57 PM EDT
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I bought one of the ambi saftey off ebay just to try it. It is a pile. The throw is ok but the machining on the barrel sucks. If you put it in safe and push to hard the detent rides up onto the saftey barrel.
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Posted: 3/14/2017 5:34:39 PM EDT
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Funny, I just got an email about the KnockOff Ambi Catch and I'm considering buying one.
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Posted: 3/14/2017 5:38:24 PM EDT
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I refuse to buy anything from those rip off artists. Rather reward the innovators.
Read about the extended family and how it likely cost the lives of US troops and rip offed our government |
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Posted: 3/14/2017 8:41:38 PM EDT
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I refuse to buy anything from those rip off artists. Rather reward the innovators. Read about the extended family and how it likely cost the lives of US troops and rip offed our government Making a copy of something after the patent expires isn't the same as what AEY did. Not even close. |
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Posted: 3/14/2017 9:00:46 PM EDT
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Making a copy of something after the patent expires isn't the same as what AEY did. Not even close. |
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