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Posted: 12/9/2016 9:54:17 AM EDT
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Michael Bell (on here and You Tube) did more configurations than anyone I know. He chronicles them all on his YT channel. The FASTEST he got was with a Gen 2 with a 18 or 20inch barrel and rifle length gas. I forget what spring and buffer weight. NOT rifle sized buffer IIRC. The rate? 900RPM. I remember seeing one other guy on YT achieving 900RPM too. Someone can confirm that with somehow by analyzing the video it is in. Go to his YT channel: Michael Bell. Great guy. Leaves no stones unturned. My only point is that it's not "always slower than full auto" as a matter of course. The rifle I had set up likely could have done 900 rpm, my finger can't. They don't all fire 1200 RPM. Some fire 600 RPM. The BFS is right in the range of "full auto like" rate of fire. |
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Posted: 12/11/2016 5:05:32 AM EDT
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mine came with a tube of grease.
Haven't shot it yet, passed all the safety tests. If you wish to not fire the second shot, is switching to semi all that is needed to safe the gun after the first shot in binary mode? Its a little disconcerting to to feel the trigger moving forward when moving from binary to semi. Going to semi from safe produces an even more forceful trigger bump forward as you hold the trigger back. Is the hammer just a stock unit? The one that came with the kit has an uneven sear surface on the hammer, you can see the original black finish surrounded by shiny metal. Got some creep. Breaks much nicer with the original Colt hammer that came with the Expanse which is a sort of nickeled speed hammer with the tail cutoff. However don't know if using this hammer will cause its own issues. Using blue spring and BFS supplied hammer, the pull weight is 5.5lbs. Using the Colt hammer and I assume USGI spring, I get 6.0lbs so the nicer break would be worth the .5lb penalty. |
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Posted: 12/11/2016 11:32:55 AM EDT
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mine came with a tube of grease. Haven't shot it yet, passed all the safety tests. If you wish to not fire the second shot, is switching to semi all that is needed to safe the gun after the first shot in binary mode? Its a little disconcerting to to feel the trigger moving forward when moving from binary to semi. Going to semi from safe produces an even more forceful trigger bump forward as you hold the trigger back. Is the hammer just a stock unit? The one that came with the kit has an uneven sear surface on the hammer, you can see the original black finish surrounded by shiny metal. Got some creep. Breaks much nicer with the original Colt hammer that came with the Expanse which is a sort of nickeled speed hammer with the tail cutoff. However don't know if using this hammer will cause its own issues. Using blue spring and BFS supplied hammer, the pull weight is 5.5lbs. Using the Colt hammer and I assume USGI spring, I get 6.0lbs so the nicer break would be worth the .5lb penalty. The hammer that's come with the gen III looks like a standard hammer. I thought about dropping a Nick Bor coated hammer I have in the mix to see how it compares. I was wondering if my JP springs would lighten the trigger pull a little. I am kind of curious if JP springs are something that FA might recommend for a lighter trigger pull. I can get light primer strikes with the JP spring on my other setups. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 10:14:57 PM EDT
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I just received shipping notice on my BFS III. Ordered on October 27th. Can't wait to try it in my 9MM AR SBR.
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Posted: 12/15/2016 12:30:14 AM EDT
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I just received shipping notice on my BFS III. Ordered on October 27th. Can't wait to try it in my 9MM AR SBR.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Oh shit, I ordered on Nov. 10th. So close yet so far away 
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Posted: 12/15/2016 1:16:37 AM EDT
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I just received shipping notice on my BFS III. Ordered on October 27th. Can't wait to try it in my 9MM AR SBR.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Oh shit! Happy days are coming, I ordered Nov 7th. Mine is also going in my AR9 SBR, if it works as advertised I'll be ordering at least 2 more. |
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Posted: 12/15/2016 1:18:14 AM EDT
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I just received shipping notice on my BFS III. Ordered on October 27th. Can't wait to try it in my 9MM AR SBR.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I need to try my BFS gen III on my AR9. I think it will work better than the gen II. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:55:10 AM EDT
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I can get light primer strikes with the JP spring on my other setups. Really? The yellow hammer spring? I never use the supplied yellow trigger spring. Just the JP hammer spring. I have 5k rounds on my JP yellow spring and not one light primer strike. I use PMC and Freedom Munitions mostly. I thought the light primer strikes were just for old surplus military ammo. Which I never shoot. Do any 5.56 rounds have harder primers? I only shoot .223 |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:57:26 AM EDT
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What reports are people hearing about the Fostech? I cant imagine any reason to buy it over the Franklin BFS. In fact. I can think of a lot of reasons NOT to buy a Fostech.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 4:57:54 AM EDT
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What reports are people hearing about the Fostech? I cant imagine any reason to buy it over the Franklin BFS. In fact. I can think of a lot of reasons NOT to buy a Fostech. Honest question, what are the reasons NOT to buy Fostech? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:08:54 AM EDT
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Honest question, what are the reasons NOT to buy Fostech? Yeah, name one. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 12:38:16 PM EDT
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Honest question, what are the reasons NOT to buy Fostech? Yeah, name one. The ethics of the company. I'm only getting one to test for review purposes. There's no way I'd spend my money at a place that treats their customers the way they have over the past 11 months. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:40:08 PM EDT
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The ethics of the company. I'm only getting one to test for review purposes. There's no way I'd spend my money at a place that treats their customers the way they have over the past 11 months. I'll give you that. I thought about putting the $200 deposit down for one back in Feb, but I was willing to wait until a number of them got out into the wild first. I know I wouldn't be happy giving up $200 and having the shipment time getting pushed back a number of times - that was the main reason I held off. They are out now and from the few videos/reviews I have seen, it's a easy decision for me to go with the Fostech over the BFS III. I'll still wait a few months though to get my order in. Perhaps they will refine a few of the glitch's that remain to be seen... |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:30:39 PM EDT
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I'll give you that. I thought about putting the $200 deposit down for one back in Feb, but I was willing to wait until a number of them got out into the wild first. I know I wouldn't be happy giving up $200 and having the shipment time getting pushed back a number of times - that was the main reason I held off. They are out now and from the few videos/reviews I have seen, it's a easy decision for me to go with the Fostech over the BFS III. I'll still wait a few months though to get my order in. Perhaps they will refine a few of the glitch's that remain to be seen... I owned a Gen II and now a Gen III which has exceeded my expectations. I took delivery of the Fostech and immediately sold it after FF'ing it. Its heavy, and seems to be overengineered with too many moving parts. I didnt install it or fire it, but I have yet to see an video since its release to the public that has convinced me I made a mistake. I am keeping the Gen III in my HD gun but I would not do that with the Gen II which is why I sold it. Upon inspecting the Fostech I realized I was not going to ever trust my life to it which relegated it to a very expensive range toy in my mind. I will be ordering a second Gen III after the holidays. Its a damn good semi trigger and it has worked great in binary without any mods or tuning. It also works with my CMMG 22 LR Conv. YMMV, but I wish you good luck with your Fostech. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:41:16 PM EDT
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What reports are people hearing about the Fostech? I cant imagine any reason to buy it over the Franklin BFS. In fact. I can think of a lot of reasons NOT to buy a Fostech. So far the ECHO beats the BFS (gen ii and iii) in an AR9 and my Syrac ordinance piston 300. I've had zero hammer follow with the ECHO in either. Both guns had hammer follow issues with the BFS. I can not change buffer power springs to a higher power in my piston as it will short stroke, if I do so. The ECHO semi trigger is |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 4:07:12 PM EDT
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Sorry if this is a dumb question....
Since the echo comes with a special carrier, do you have to do something special to use it in a .22LR and 9mm? Thanks. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 4:24:22 PM EDT
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Sorry if this is a dumb question.... Since the echo comes with a special carrier, do you have to do something special to use it in a .22LR and 9mm? Thanks. You will need to mod a .22 sear trip to work with it. Most 9mm bolts can be modded with a little file work. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 4:37:20 PM EDT
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You will need to mod a .22 sear trip to work with it. Most 9mm bolts can be modded with a little file work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sorry if this is a dumb question.... Since the echo comes with a special carrier, do you have to do something special to use it in a .22LR and 9mm? Thanks. You will need to mod a .22 sear trip to work with it. Most 9mm bolts can be modded with a little file work. Slight bummer, but not the end of the world. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 4:41:22 PM EDT
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Sorry if this is a dumb question.... Since the echo comes with a special carrier, do you have to do something special to use it in a .22LR and 9mm? Thanks. In a 9mm you need to dremel a little off the back of the bolt. Its not hard to do it. I did it on my 9mm bolt in about 5 minutes but that is one of the trade off you must do for no hammer follow. Its worth it imo. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 9:18:17 PM EDT
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Honest question, what are the reasons NOT to buy Fostech? 1) Need to mill or grind your bolt carrier on the bottom. It is unknown how precise that ramp needs to be. All piston or fave carriers may need to be sent OUT to get modified. 2) Trigger will not work with SIG MCX OR the MPX because their carriers can not trip the sear trip. 3) Can not fit in any lower with a Colt like ridge 4)Need to mod carrier with 9mm and .22 Ar-15's 5) Franklin will be the only ones to adapt the BFS to HK MP5 and clones. Also other platforms like the CZ EVO will be off limits to the Fostech. Many other reasons I am sure. Can anyone help me add some more? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:50:03 PM EDT
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There's a lot we could say right now, but I'll hold back with the exception of one particular feature.... One of the features people didn't favor about our Gen 2 was the BUD. Ironically Fostech reengineered their BUD to pivot off the selector just like our patent pending Gen 2. (Their original design was different.) Our BFSIII has a smoother method of operation without BUD hangups.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 12:12:34 AM EDT
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There's a lot we could say right now, but I'll hold back with the exception of one particular feature.... One of the features people didn't favor about our Gen 2 was the BUD. Ironically Fostech reengineered their BUD to pivot off the selector just like our patent pending Gen 2. (Their original design was different.) Our BFSIII has a smoother method of operation without BUD hangups. I was not a fan of your Gen II, but I love what you did with the Gen III. Thank you for doing that. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 1:52:30 AM EDT
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1) Need to mill or grind your bolt carrier on the bottom. It is unknown how precise that ramp needs to be. All piston or fave carriers may need to be sent OUT to get modified. 2) Trigger will not work with SIG MCX OR the MPX because their carriers can not trip the sear trip. 3) Can not fit in any lower with a Colt like ridge 4)Need to mod carrier with 9mm and .22 Ar-15's 5) Franklin will be the only ones to adapt the BFS to HK MP5 and clones. Also other platforms like the CZ EVO will be off limits to the Fostech. Many other reasons I am sure. Can anyone help me add some more? Most of the guys I try to convert to these triggers are concerned with hammer follow. I think that is the biggest issue. A heavy spring will not fix it on the BFS from my experience and there needs to another solution. I hope we will see that in the BFS gen IV. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 1:59:43 AM EDT
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I was not a fan of your Gen II, but I love what you did with the Gen III. Thank you for doing that. I agree the gen iii was a huge step up from the gen ii model. I've been playing some more with mine over the weekend. I like the cassette more but Mossberg loves to sue. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 3:30:44 AM EDT
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stock hammer that came with my BFSIII was junk, will post a pic.
Replaced it with a nickel coated hammer and much better break. Ran it with both a 14.5" LMT upper and Colt 10.5" Upper. No hammer follow through. Was convincing simulation of burst fire with 4 shots. But doing a mag dump, started to diverge from a true machine gun. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:16:58 AM EDT
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Most of the guys I try to convert to these triggers are concerned with hammer follow. I think that is the biggest issue. A heavy spring will not fix it on the BFS from my experience and there needs to another solution. I hope we will see that in the BFS gen IV. We hear your concern, but honestly that is over exaggerated. In every build we have encountered, hammer follow would only usually occur in extreme circumstances such as a mag dump with an untuned gun. Some guns cycle slower than others and have more trouble with this, but that is what we've seen. With that said, every gun we have run across has had the ability to tune to perfection. The included increased power buffer spring, and possibly a lightweight carrier do the trick, and the same can be done for non 5.56 guns. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 12:28:07 PM EDT
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We hear your concern, but honestly that is over exaggerated. In every build we have encountered, hammer follow would only usually occur in extreme circumstances such as a mag dump with an untuned gun. Some guns cycle slower than others and have more trouble with this, but that is what we've seen. With that said, every gun we have run across has had the ability to tune to perfection. The included increased power buffer spring, and possibly a lightweight carrier do the trick, and the same can be done for non 5.56 guns. That is true my DI 300 blackout that had both your gen II and gen III trigger was tuned with an adjustable block and a Ti carrier which made it run great with 0 hammer follow on a mag dump. However tuning can only be taken so far from my experience and other calibers like 9mm and with some piston guns where hammer follow is still an issue if you want to fire fast. I know you guys realize what people really want from the pull and release triggers is a mag dumper that simulates full auto with no hiccups. Just keep that in mind for gen IV
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Posted: 12/19/2016 7:25:48 PM EDT
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We have yet to find one that couldn't be tuned. Even piston guns can be resprung.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 7:51:18 PM EDT
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We have yet to find one that couldn't be tuned. Even piston guns can be resprung. I would rather have a bolt carrier modified by taking a non-essential edge off at a 45 degree bevel, than have to fool around with tuning a gun. Call me crazy. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 7:56:35 PM EDT
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Given that a majority of applications from 5.56 to 308, to 9mm, to 22lr don't need any tuning, I'd say it is often easier with the BFSIII.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:17:30 PM EDT
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I would rather have a bolt carrier modified by taking a non-essential edge off at a 45 degree bevel, than have to fool around with tuning a gun. Call me crazy. Crazy.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:24:04 PM EDT
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We have yet to find one that couldn't be tuned. Even piston guns can be resprung. I should send you my Syrac ordnance (Superlative arms) piston 300 blackout build. I could not tune it because you can't use a different buffer spring other than a carbine spring. Heavy springs will cause short stoking. The gas port has been drilled out to .125" and the gas block is aligned correctly. The carrier is something that can not be changed out for a LW carrier. It would function great with just double taps but if you ran the BFS fast.. you would have light prime strikes because of hammer follow. Its a beast but it runs great in semi with any trigger. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:27:54 PM EDT
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Given that a majority of applications from 5.56 to 308, to 9mm, to 22lr don't need any tuning, I'd say it is often easier with the BFSIII. What would you guys recommend doing to a 9mm AR to tune out hammer follow? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:48:52 PM EDT
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What would you guys recommend doing to a 9mm AR to tune out hammer follow? I would increase spring pressure, decrease buffer weight and shorten the stroke. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:51:45 PM EDT
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I should send you my Syrac ordnance (Superlative arms) piston 300 blackout build. I could not tune it because you can't use a different buffer spring other than a carbine spring. Heavy springs will cause short stoking. The gas port has been drilled out to .125" and the gas block is aligned correctly. The carrier is something that can not be changed out for a LW carrier. It would function great with just double taps but if you ran the BFS fast.. you would have light prime strikes because of hammer follow. Its a beast but it runs great in semi with any trigger. Do you have an adjustable gas block? I would suggest that it is possible to slow things down with too much gas. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 8:59:05 PM EDT
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I would increase spring pressure, decrease buffer weight and shorten the stroke. I've increased the spring (wolf XP) and the bolt used was the old milled bolt that i used on the gen II which lighten it up about an oz, the mod I did for the ECHO test probably took off another ~1/8 of an oz. I lost my scale (I think my wife took it and moved it into another dimension) so I have not weighted it. It is probably less. I've always been scared of removing weight from my AR9. Wouldn't decreasing the buffer weight increase the likelihood of an out battery event in a blowback? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:25:55 PM EDT
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Do you have an adjustable gas block? I would suggest that it is possible to slow things down with too much gas. Its adjustable but in order to have it cycle and not short stroke when shooting with the suppressor off (supers) I have to have it fully open. With the can off I can't cycle subs at all with a normal carbine spring/carbine buffer. It will shoot subs with the can off with a JP silent capture spring. LOL weird huh? I found all of this out when I changed out the JP spring for a standard carbine spring/buffer a while back. At first I could not get it to cycle at all with the can off and even with the can it would sometimes not lock back on the last round. After a call to Tony at Superlative he told me that 300's can be problematic with their pistons (Syrac ordinance is no more but superlative arms made all their stuff), hence the reason why I had to open the gas port up to get it working. None of this is the case with my other Syrac piston on my 556 which has none of these problems.
Next range trip I will try the gen III again in the YHM Syrac piston build again and screw around with the gas setting just to confirm if it helps prevent hammer follow or just starts short stroking again. Thanks for the advice |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:46:05 PM EDT
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Its adjustable but in order to have it cycle and not short stroke when shooting with the suppressor off (supers) I have to have it fully open. With the can off I can't cycle subs at all with a normal carbine spring/carbine buffer. It will shoot subs with the can off with a JP silent capture spring. LOL weird huh? I found all of this out when I changed out the JP spring for a standard carbine spring/buffer a while back. At first I could not get it to cycle at all with the can off and even with the can it would sometimes not lock back on the last round. After a call to Tony at Superlative he told me that 300's can be problematic with their pistons (Syrac ordinance is no more but superlative arms made all their stuff), hence the reason why I had to open the gas port up to get it working. 1/4" is as large as I am willing to go with the blackout barrels port and the happy medium with the can on and off with super and sub is with the block all the way open. I did not try it but I would think reducing the gas flow for the piston would cause the rifle to start short stroking again. None of this is the case with my other Syrac piston on my 556 which has none of these problems.
Next range trip I will try the gen III again in the YHM Syrac piston build again and screw around with the gas setting just to confirm if it helps prevent hammer follow or just starts short stroking again. Thanks for the advice What length gas system? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:56:01 PM EDT
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What length gas system? Pistol 8" SBR. Ballistic advantage barrel. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 2:44:02 PM EDT
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Pistol 8" SBR. Ballistic advantage barrel. If you start with a heavy buffer spring and light carrier, give it enough gas so that it does not short stroke and no more. I have noticed with slow motion video that a strong buffer spring reacts MUCH quicker to pushing the carrier back into battery compared to the gas pushing on the carrier to move it out of battery. Too much gas will keep the action open longer, and INCREASE the potential of hammer follow. I have to admit that my initial thoughts were to simply give more gas. However, I have observed and learned how there is a point of no return on too much gas. It can actually slow things down. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:50:10 PM EDT
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If you start with a heavy buffer spring and light carrier, give it enough gas so that it does not short stroke and no more. I have noticed with slow motion video that a strong buffer spring reacts MUCH quicker to pushing the carrier back into battery compared to the gas pushing on the carrier to move it out of battery. Too much gas will keep the action open longer, and INCREASE the potential of hammer follow. I have to admit that my initial thoughts were to simply give more gas. However, I have observed and learned how there is a point of no return on too much gas. It can actually slow things down. I'll try it and trouble shoot next time I go to the range. I'm about 100% sure a heavy spring will make it short stroke (tried it before) but I will test it again with a heavy buffer. I have a H and H2. I think the problem is the piston can not get enough gas to make it move as engineered with the blackout caliber. I think that is a design issue with the piston which we really designed for 556 |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:53:15 PM EDT
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I should send you my Syrac ordnance (Superlative arms) piston 300 blackout build. I could not tune it because you can't use a different buffer spring other than a carbine spring. Heavy springs will cause short stoking. The gas port has been drilled out to .125" and the gas block is aligned correctly. The carrier is something that can not be changed out for a LW carrier. It would function great with just double taps but if you ran the BFS fast.. you would have light prime strikes because of hammer follow. Its a beast but it runs great in semi with any trigger. Actually you can. Buy a spare op rod from SA (cheap) and a low mass piston carrier from Voodoo(Adams Arms). You will need to trim the new op rod flat and to the correct length. You should end up with a back and forth play in the op rod about the thickness of a business card. That takes in to account metal expansion with heat. If you use low speed tools you can shorten the op rod with out changing the Rockwell hardness. I have done this with an AA Op rod and it worked fine for over 5k rounds with no wear or signs of peening. You really need to put a suppressor on the build and LEAVE it on! I never take a can off any short barrel builds. Best option is a 8inch barrel (which you did do) with a 6.5 inch Omega Titanium suppressor. Leave on permanently for subs and supers. Count the turns in your gas screw so you can quickly adjust the gas for subs or supers. That 8" BA barrel is my first choice. Best buy IMO. They partner with Aero Precision, my fave company for receivers! That low mass carrier from Voodoo is what the doctor ordered. If you have access to machine shop you can always shave and drill your SA carrier. I would not take that route. Best to have a stock carrier handy and buy the Voodoo low mass. It WILL fit and work. You MUST install the supplied optional bushing in your upper. That will keep your op rod on target with the solid vertical strike face of the new Voodoo low mass carrier. If you lost that little bushing, just ask SA when you order a new op rod. I am sure they will send you a new bushing for free. I use red loctite on my bushings. I really dont want them to come loose. And they don't. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 12:11:16 PM EDT
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Actually you can. Buy a spare op rod from SA (cheap) and a low mass piston carrier from Voodoo(Adams Arms). You will need to trim the new op rod flat and to the correct length. You should end up with a back and forth play in the op rod about the thickness of a business card. That takes in to account metal expansion with heat. If you use low speed tools you can shorten the op rod with out changing the Rockwell hardness. I have done this with an AA Op rod and it worked fine for over 5k rounds with no wear or signs of peening. You really need to put a suppressor on the build and LEAVE it on! I never take a can off any short barrel builds. Best option is a 8inch barrel (which you did do) with a 6.5 inch Omega Titanium suppressor. Leave on permanently for subs and supers. Count the turns in your gas screw so you can quickly adjust the gas for subs or supers. That 8" BA barrel is my first choice. Best buy IMO. They partner with Aero Precision, my fave company for receivers! That low mass carrier from Voodoo is what the doctor ordered. If you have access to machine shop you can always shave and drill your SA carrier. I would not take that route. Best to have a stock carrier handy and buy the Voodoo low mass. It WILL fit and work. You MUST install the supplied optional bushing in your upper. That will keep your op rod on target with the solid vertical strike face of the new Voodoo low mass carrier. If you lost that little bushing, just ask SA when you order a new op rod. I am sure they will send you a new bushing for free. I use red loctite on my bushings. I really dont want them to come loose. And they don't. That might work but it would be a more cost on top of the trigger (429 + 125 + 35 = $589). I'd also want to talk to Tony (superlative arms) and get his thoughts on using an Adams Arms carrier with his piston design. I put several hundred dollars in my DI AR to get the BFS tuned and functioning but I do not want to spend more money to do the same on another one, if I can keep from it. I will try what Franklin has recommended but if that does not work I will not use that rifle with the BFS. The ECHO worked with no hammer follow in the blackout Syrac piston so I will probably put it back in that rifle. The BFS gen III will live in the rifle that it was originally tuned for it which is this one :-) (The phot is before the trigger was installed but it looks the same) 
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Posted: 12/21/2016 1:14:08 PM EDT
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I received shipment notification and mine will be here Friday. I'm installing mine on a AR9 with the MVB ARC, it also runs suppressed 100% of the time. I don't know how soon I'll get to the range after the install, but I'll keep everyone in the loop.
If it doesn't work on the AR9, I'm going to pull it out and slap it in my KS47 to see if it'll work in there. Pics below of both guns, the KS47 should be SBR approved next month. 
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Posted: 12/21/2016 3:09:34 PM EDT
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Hey everyone,
When you get a notification for your BFS III shipping out from Franklin, would you mind posting the order number. Gives a little insight for us impatient types as to when we might see ours. Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 3:15:37 PM EDT
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I received shipment notification and mine will be here Friday. I'm installing mine on a AR9 with the MVB ARC, it also runs suppressed 100% of the time. I don't know how soon I'll get to the range after the install, but I'll keep everyone in the loop. If it doesn't work on the AR9, I'm going to pull it out and slap it in my KS47 to see if it'll work in there. Pics below of both guns, the KS47 should be SBR approved next month. http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3293_zpsrgoygpmr.jpg http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/32909574-102B-455A-8549-AFCDCE089AAA_zpspbkm7cfc.jpg I had hammer follow issues with BFS gen III and gen II my AR9 and the MVB stock. You can do the block with quarters in the tube and it will tune it but you lose last round hold open. Unfortunately that is not something I want to trade off. It will work great with the MVB stock on a DI 300 blackout but you will need a LW carrier. I used a Ti V7 carrier to tune it on the gen II and it worked just as well with the gen III (the gen III rocked it hard!). Had issue with my SO piston on the gen II and gen III but I'm going to reval and trouble shoot it again with the gen III. These are my experiences so far. You'll like the gen III a whole lot better than the gen II. Its 100% improvement in design. Keep us updated on how it works on yours, I'm very interested to see how it works on the KS47. |
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Posted: 12/21/2016 11:38:59 PM EDT
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I'd also want to talk to Tony (superlative arms) and get his thoughts on using an Adams Arms carrier with his piston design. ] Adams arms carriers are made by Voodoo. They are one and the same. Any low mass carrier offered in an AA gun is also made by Voodoo. I told you. You can run any AA compatible carriers as I carefully described step by step in my previous post. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 2:37:49 AM EDT
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I recently picked a BFS 3 up and I was very happy with ease of install my channel is Kwood23 on YouTube if link goes
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Posted: 12/22/2016 3:24:40 AM EDT
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Adams arms carriers are made by Voodoo. They are one and the same. Any low mass carrier offered in an AA gun is also made by Voodoo. I told you. You can run any AA compatible carriers as I carefully described step by step in my previous post. Hope that helps. I read your post and understand what you are saying but are you saying Superlative arms carriers are made by voodoo? It sounds like you have modified a superlative arms piston to work with an Adam's arms carrier. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:54:37 AM EDT
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I had hammer follow issues with BFS gen III and gen II my AR9 and the MVB stock. You can do the block with quarters in the tube and it will tune it but you lose last round hold open. Unfortunately that is not something I want to trade off. It will work great with the MVB stock on a DI 300 blackout but you will need a LW carrier. I used a Ti V7 carrier to tune it on the gen II and it worked just as well with the gen III (the gen III rocked it hard!). Had issue with my SO piston on the gen II and gen III but I'm going to reval and trouble shoot it again with the gen III. These are my experiences so far. You'll like the gen III a whole lot better than the gen II. Its 100% improvement in design. Keep us updated on how it works on yours, I'm very interested to see how it works on the KS47. Since the KS47 isn't quite finished yet, I might just install it in there. I had really looked forward to lighting up some 9mm suppressed tho, my original plan was to buy 2 if it worked in both. |
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