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Posted: 11/29/2015 2:38:35 PM EDT
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I really wonder too how much better the bolt is than the other big players. Primary Arms has their FailZero BCG with EXO coating on sale for $99 marked down from $159. It gets great reviews.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 2:54:04 PM EDT
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Looks like an awesome BCG. Mabey check out 2A Armament's RBC ( Regulated Bolt Carrier)
http://www.2a-arms.com/collections/bolt-carriers/products/regulated-bolt-carrier. Cheers Shannon |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 2:55:36 PM EDT
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I believe that the YNM bolts and carriers are about the best obtainable. JP runs a very close second. You won't go wrong with either.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 3:04:35 PM EDT
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Any opinions on the FailZero, its really tempting since its $60 off both the AR-15 and M-16 models. Will save me almost $150 over the Young, gotta decide if the Young is $150 better.
http://www.primaryarms.com/009-fzar15-01-nh/p/009-fzar15-01-nh/ |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 3:22:44 PM EDT
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You might take a look at Lantac
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Posted: 11/29/2015 3:49:27 PM EDT
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I was just searching to see if there are any recent threads on this before I asked, damn fine question OP and I'm right there with you. I have decided the Young is about the best most proven tho there are newer runners in the game. This is pertinent to my interest
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Posted: 11/29/2015 3:56:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2015 4:16:35 PM EDT
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I like WMD NiB BCG's but only when they go on sale.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 4:31:11 PM EDT
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I have had a Youngs gas key screws come loose. Get a Bravo Company BCG and be done with it.
The alternative is, by a barrel with a matched bolt and then get a carrier of your choice. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 5:38:02 PM EDT
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I have had a Youngs gas key screws come loose. Get a Bravo Company BCG and be done with it. The alternative is, by a barrel with a matched bolt and then get a carrier of your choice. Since you haven't acquire the barrel yet, the above advise of getting a matched bolt w the barrel should be considered. After getting that, any reputable bolt carrier brand would do. My preference is still JP but there are other good carriers out there. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 5:46:13 PM EDT
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I use tool craft in most of my builds and have a colt in my Mk12 that can shoot .5 MOA with my friend shooting it. I really don't see the purpose of spending extra money on a BCG unless you just want to.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 5:48:22 PM EDT
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I own both the JP and Young's. The JP is considerably better machined. Both it and WMD run smoother than the Young's.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 10:58:10 PM EDT
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I own both the JP and Young's. The JP is considerably better machined. Both it and WMD run smoother than the Young's. THIS! ^^^ |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:16:15 PM EDT
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Rubber City is also worth a very close look.
I have two of them. Both have the best machining and finish I have ever seen. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 12:17:49 AM EDT
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My YM NM runs great, and smooth. It was pretty gritty for the first few hundreds rounds, though. But after that it started running really smooth.
I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. I own 2 JP's, and they are pretty good but were still gritty until they were ran for a few hundred rounds. But never got as smooth as the YM. Still very high quality, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 2:12:41 AM EDT
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My YM NM runs great, and smooth. It was pretty gritty for the first few hundreds rounds, though. But after that it started running really smooth. I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. I own 2 JP's, and they are pretty good but were still gritty until they were ran for a few hundred rounds. But never got as smooth as the YM. Still very high quality, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. While I'm not denying your experiences, I'd like to point out that I'm 95% sure Young's makes the Les Baer carriers. My Young's is starting to smooth around 1k rounds, still not that close to the others. My WMD and JP have at least 5K each so that may be why they feel smoother. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 4:36:32 AM EDT
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While I'm not denying your experiences, I'd like to point out that I'm 95% sure Young's makes the Les Baer carriers. My Young's is starting to smooth around 1k rounds, still not that close to the others. My WMD and JP have at least 5K each so that may be why they feel smoother. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My YM NM runs great, and smooth. It was pretty gritty for the first few hundreds rounds, though. But after that it started running really smooth. I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. I own 2 JP's, and they are pretty good but were still gritty until they were ran for a few hundred rounds. But never got as smooth as the YM. Still very high quality, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. While I'm not denying your experiences, I'd like to point out that I'm 95% sure Young's makes the Les Baer carriers. My Young's is starting to smooth around 1k rounds, still not that close to the others. My WMD and JP have at least 5K each so that may be why they feel smoother. You may be 95% sure, but I'm 100% sure! I spoke with Les Baer at one of he Annual NRA Conventions and he told me that Young Manufacturing DOES manufactured his carriers! |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 8:54:46 AM EDT
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Since you haven't acquire the barrel yet, the above advise of getting a matched bolt w the barrel should be considered. After getting that, any reputable bolt carrier brand would do. My preference is still JP but there are other good carriers out there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have had a Youngs gas key screws come loose. Get a Bravo Company BCG and be done with it. The alternative is, by a barrel with a matched bolt and then get a carrier of your choice. Since you haven't acquire the barrel yet, the above advise of getting a matched bolt w the barrel should be considered. After getting that, any reputable bolt carrier brand would do. My preference is still JP but there are other good carriers out there. How can OP do that and get the 20" Kreiger he wants? They will headspace it to the bolt in the carrier he supplies and assemble the upper. FWIW: I have been very pleased with the WMD NiB-X I've been running for about three years now. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 9:22:50 AM EDT
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How can OP do that and get the 20" Kreiger he wants? They will headspace it to the bolt in the carrier he supplies and assemble the upper. FWIW: I have been very pleased with the WMD NiB-X I've been running for about three years now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have had a Youngs gas key screws come loose. Get a Bravo Company BCG and be done with it. The alternative is, by a barrel with a matched bolt and then get a carrier of your choice. Since you haven't acquire the barrel yet, the above advise of getting a matched bolt w the barrel should be considered. After getting that, any reputable bolt carrier brand would do. My preference is still JP but there are other good carriers out there. How can OP do that and get the 20" Kreiger he wants? They will headspace it to the bolt in the carrier he supplies and assemble the upper. FWIW: I have been very pleased with the WMD NiB-X I've been running for about three years now. Huh? They can head space a bolt without a provided carrier. Several other makers of precision barrels sell the match sets without you providing a carrier. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 9:23:03 AM EDT
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Well after all that I ended up getting the FailZero EXO M-16 bolt that was on sale for $99.99 marked down from $160 at PrimaryArms. In the end I just read too many people saying its not worth it to spend that much on a BCG as long as you get one from a reputable company. The FailZero has great reviews on PA and that deal was hard to beat. The more I add up what everything is going to cost the more I'm inclined to save money where I can lol. I'm probably looking at $1600 for the rifle with barrel fitting, thats before glass & mount and I don't plan on cheaping out on the glass.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 9:39:39 AM EDT
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Although the machining/craftsmanship of some BCG's is noticeably better I honestly have never seen a significant difference in performance between the high and mid priced BCG's. Just my two cents.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:08:46 AM EDT
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Well after all that I ended up getting the FailZero EXO M-16 bolt that was on sale for $99.99 marked down from $160 at PrimaryArms. In the end I just read too many people saying its not worth it to spend that much on a BCG as long as you get one from a reputable company. The FailZero has great reviews on PA and that deal was hard to beat. The more I add up what everything is going to cost the more I'm inclined to save money where I can lol. I'm probably looking at $1600 for the rifle with barrel fitting, thats before glass & mount and I don't plan on cheaping out on the glass. That was a pretty good deal. You will be happy with it. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 12:04:55 PM EDT
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I have had a Youngs gas key screws come loose. Get a Bravo Company BCG and be done with it. The alternative is, by a barrel with a matched bolt and then get a carrier of your choice. The last time I looked at a Young NM carrier, the gas key screws weren't staked. Not sure if they have since changed this or not. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 12:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rubber City is also worth a very close look. I have two of them. Both have the best machining and finish I have ever seen. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 4:35:12 PM EDT
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The best bolt money can buy(other than the KAC E3 which requires using a KAC barrel) is the LMT Enhanced bolt. It is made from significantly stronger steel than 158 or 9310 and is uniquely designed to simply not break. It will outlast any milspec bolt by many thousands of rounds.
Pair the LMT E bolt with any quality carrier made by a reputable company that has a coating and look that you like and you have a top quality BCG that will outlast any other..... 
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Posted: 12/1/2015 1:05:44 AM EDT
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You may be 95% sure, but I'm 100% sure! I spoke with Les Baer at one of he Annual NRA Conventions and he told me that Young Manufacturing DOES manufactured his carriers! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My YM NM runs great, and smooth. It was pretty gritty for the first few hundreds rounds, though. But after that it started running really smooth. I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. I own 2 JP's, and they are pretty good but were still gritty until they were ran for a few hundred rounds. But never got as smooth as the YM. Still very high quality, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. While I'm not denying your experiences, I'd like to point out that I'm 95% sure Young's makes the Les Baer carriers. My Young's is starting to smooth around 1k rounds, still not that close to the others. My WMD and JP have at least 5K each so that may be why they feel smoother. You may be 95% sure, but I'm 100% sure! I spoke with Les Baer at one of he Annual NRA Conventions and he told me that Young Manufacturing DOES manufactured his carriers! I don't know if YM cuts both BC's, or not. But I don't doubt it. They both have pretty similar characteristics, and the metal looks nearly identical. The LBC doesn't look like it's been polished as much. However, they are two totally different designs regardless of who manufacturers them. You can see in the pics below they're different in a lot of ways. You can also see how the YM has worn nearly perfectly to the upper it's in, and the LBC(with more rounds on it) STILL hasn't broken in. You can also see the lube lines LBC has on their BC. I've added a couple pics with the mic to show what I'm talking about as far as the differences in diameter of the two BC's. Which like I said, is why I think the LBC still hasn't broken in, and feels really gritty. The LBC comes in at .997, and the YM comes in at .940. That's a huge difference inside any upper receiver.   
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I have had a Youngs gas key screws come loose. Get a Bravo Company BCG and be done with it. The alternative is, by a barrel with a matched bolt and then get a carrier of your choice. The last time I looked at a Young NM carrier, the gas key screws weren't staked. Not sure if they have since changed this or not. My YM isn't staked. But if you feel you really need to stake the key it's too easy to do. I just took it apart, put red loctite on the bolts, and torqued to Colt's specs. Have had no problems. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 1:10:55 PM EDT
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The Les Baer carrier pic you posted is IDENTICAL to older Young carriers.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 1:47:43 PM EDT
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The Les Baer carrier pic you posted is IDENTICAL to older Young carriers. OK, whats your point? Not trying to be a dick but we're discussing BC's that can be purchased RIGHT NOW; NOT 10yrs.ago. Either way you look at it the LBC, and YM that you can purchased RIGHT NOW are two totally different designs. Who cuts them has very little to do with it... |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 2:27:39 PM EDT
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OK, whats your point? Not trying to be a dick but we're discussing BC's that can be purchased RIGHT NOW; NOT 10yrs.ago. Either way you look at it the LBC, and YM that you can purchased RIGHT NOW are two totally different designs. Who cuts them has very little to do with it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Les Baer carrier pic you posted is IDENTICAL to older Young carriers. OK, whats your point? Not trying to be a dick but we're discussing BC's that can be purchased RIGHT NOW; NOT 10yrs.ago. Either way you look at it the LBC, and YM that you can purchased RIGHT NOW are two totally different designs. Who cuts them has very little to do with it... The POINT is earlier a comment was made that the quality is different between Las Baer and Young Manufacturing when in reality they all are Young Manufacturing!!! |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:01:40 PM EDT
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The POINT is earlier a comment was made that the quality is different between Las Baer and Young Manufacturing when in reality they all are Young Manufacturing!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Les Baer carrier pic you posted is IDENTICAL to older Young carriers. OK, whats your point? Not trying to be a dick but we're discussing BC's that can be purchased RIGHT NOW; NOT 10yrs.ago. Either way you look at it the LBC, and YM that you can purchased RIGHT NOW are two totally different designs. Who cuts them has very little to do with it... The POINT is earlier a comment was made that the quality is different between Las Baer and Young Manufacturing when in reality they all are Young Manufacturing!!! Who said anything about the quality being different? No where in any of my post did I say the quality is different. Matter as fact I said the complete opposite. I did say the design is different, and it clearly is. Yet you continue to troll, and bold shit like a fucking child. Whats your point, guy? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:18:17 PM EDT
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Who said anything about the quality being different? No where in any of my post did I say the quality is different. Matter as fact I said the complete opposite. I did say the design is different, and it clearly is. Yet you continue to troll, and bold shit like a fucking child. Whats your fucking point, guy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Who said anything about the quality being different? No where in any of my post did I say the quality is different. Matter as fact I said the complete opposite. I did say the design is different, and it clearly is. Yet you continue to troll, and bold shit like a fucking child. Whats your fucking point, guy? You did, actually. xtreme762:
I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! While you didn't come out and say the quality was sub par on the LBC, you DID make reference to the fact you would not buy another, thus inferring the LBC quality IS different... |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:29:26 PM EDT
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I said I wouldn't buy another due to the difference in brake in period. If the sentence under the sentence being quoted was read it's pretty obvious why I said I would not buy another. Due to the different size of the carriers causing a difference in brake in. Thus causing a more gritty feeling.
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I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. Along with the pics it should be pretty clear. I wasn't inferring the quality is different. Quoted:
The LBC comes in at .997, and the YM comes in at .940. That's a huge difference inside any upper receiver.
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As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. Still not clear? |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:44:20 PM EDT
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I said I wouldn't buy another due to the difference in brake in period. If the sentence under the sentence being quoted was read it's pretty obvious why I said I would not buy another. Due to the different size of the carriers causing a difference in brake in. Thus causing a more gritty feeling. Both sentences: Quoted:
I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. Along with the pics it should be pretty clear. I wasn't inferring the quality is different. It also seems as though this wasn't read either: Quoted:
As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. Still not clear? Oh, they were read.... But you obviously cant see the context that when you wrote "I will not buy another," was added at the end of the statement in which you described a mechanical failure. In the following statement, you also made a reference to the lubrication lines cut in the LBC carrier. You also go on to say they are all pretty high quality, yet you will not purchase an LBC again... even though they are made by YM. So to an outside reader, you almost appear to be jumping back and forth a bit, but getting ridiculously defensive about it as well. I'm not attacking you.. Just point out what I READ. Edit: As far as staying on topic, I have a YM BCG that I have yet to shoot. It is serving as a back up to an LMT BCG in a 10.3" set up. I believe it is probably the nicest "out of the bag" bcg I've ever purchased. I was considering the idea of taking out a second mortgage to purchase the LMT Enhanced BCG for an upcoming 14.5" build, but Im strongly considering a YM. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 3:54:13 PM EDT
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Oh, they were read.... But you obviously cant see the context that when you wrote "I will not buy another," was added at the end of the statement in which you described a mechanical failure. In the following statement, you also made a reference to the lubrication lines cut in the LBC carrier. You also go on to say they are all pretty high quality, yet you will not purchase an LBC again... even though they are made by YM. So to an outside reader, you almost appear to be jumping back and forth a bit, but getting ridiculously defensive about it as well. I'm not attacking you.. Just point out what I READ. I can see your point. That's not how I meant for it to be read. I should have put the "Will not but another" after the second line. Maybe then it would have been read differently. It wasn't intentionally typed to convey a quality difference. Just a design difference that causes problems for me. Which is why I will not buy another LBC carrier. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 4:41:43 PM EDT
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Who said anything about the quality being different? No where in any of my post did I say the quality is different. Matter as fact I said the complete opposite. I did say the design is different, and it clearly is. Yet you continue to troll, and bold shit like a fucking child. Whats your point, guy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Les Baer carrier pic you posted is IDENTICAL to older Young carriers. OK, whats your point? Not trying to be a dick but we're discussing BC's that can be purchased RIGHT NOW; NOT 10yrs.ago. Either way you look at it the LBC, and YM that you can purchased RIGHT NOW are two totally different designs. Who cuts them has very little to do with it... The POINT is earlier a comment was made that the quality is different between Las Baer and Young Manufacturing when in reality they all are Young Manufacturing!!! Who said anything about the quality being different? No where in any of my post did I say the quality is different. Matter as fact I said the complete opposite. I did say the design is different, and it clearly is. Yet you continue to troll, and bold shit like a fucking child. Whats your point, guy? Who is the TROLL??? READ your EXACT quote below! Quoted:
My YM NM runs great, and smooth. It was pretty gritty for the first few hundreds rounds, though. But after that it started running really smooth. I also have a Les Baer Custom NM, and can say the YM is WAY better. I had a bolt sheer on the gas key of the LBC, and it's still pretty gritty after nearly 500 rounds. I will not buy another! LBC cuts lube lines into their BC's which are pretty sweet. It also seems to be a little bigger around than the other 2 which allows for more contact on the inside of the receiver. Might explain why it still feels gritty after so many rounds. I own 2 JP's, and they are pretty good but were still gritty until they were ran for a few hundred rounds. But never got as smooth as the YM. Still very high quality, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. As far as quality goes. They're all pretty high quality, very well machined, and are as square as you could ever get. But if I had to buy another right now for a new build it would be the YM. It just feels so much better than either JP, or LBC. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 4:59:45 PM EDT
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Its done.. Bury it. Get back on topic. He saw how it could have been misinterpreted. No reason to keep de-railing the thread.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 5:52:41 PM EDT
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I've had good luck with my old Young BCG. It's chrome... and not many like that... but it is very smooth. I run the dog snot out of it in my 9.5" SBR. Those rare times when I clean it, it practically wipes off clean. The .308 build I'm working on will get a Rainier Arms Ultra Match barrel and matching bolt. Read good things about Rainier, and This will be my first professionally matched barrel/bolt combo, so I'm hoping for a nice accurate gun.
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