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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:11:09 PM EDT
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KAC. Personal preference.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:11:33 PM EDT
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KAC, not into the PWS stuff at all.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:11:49 PM EDT
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KAC
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:22:23 PM EDT
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PWS will be more accurate than the KAC SR 15.
Both companies are excellent. Almost everyone here will pick KAC because it's DI and an awesome company. |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:32:18 PM EDT
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If you had to pick one ? If KAC is part of the question, then KAC is the answer..... |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 10:02:18 PM EDT
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I have the MK 110 P and find the PWS is top quality I have no experience with the KAC has anyone shot both with a opinion.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 11:44:39 PM EDT
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KAC. Best AR's I've owned and it's not even close.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 1:34:25 AM EDT
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PWS will be more accurate than the KAC SR 15. Both companies are excellent. Almost everyone here will pick KAC because it's DI and an awesome company. Heh? DI is inherently more accurate than piston by design. Also, if going for an SPR, KAC offers a sub-moa LPR model. Anyhow, KAC and it's not even close |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:13:03 AM EDT
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KAC, not into the PWS stuff at all. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 3:26:06 AM EDT
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Heh? DI is inherently more accurate than piston by design. Also, if going for an SPR, KAC offers a sub-moa LPR model. Anyhow, KAC and it's not even close Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PWS will be more accurate than the KAC SR 15. Both companies are excellent. Almost everyone here will pick KAC because it's DI and an awesome company. Heh? DI is inherently more accurate than piston by design. Also, if going for an SPR, KAC offers a sub-moa LPR model. Anyhow, KAC and it's not even close Uhm. http://rangerproof.blogspot.com/2012/07/pws-mk114.html The pws is more accurate than the SR 15. No shit, the Kac LPR is likely more accurate than both. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 7:19:30 AM EDT
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KAC mod 2 by a mile
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Posted: 3/30/2015 7:43:50 AM EDT
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The SR15 Mod1/Mod2 certainly is more than accurate enough for most purposes.
The groups below were all shot with a Mod1 that had a bit over 12k rounds through it with many rounds being steel case ammo, and I almost always shoot rapid fire and mag dumps. 
It might be hard to show on camera, but the last picture shows the 2 bottom lands are really worn out compare to other ones, but the barrel is still capable of 1-1.5MOA My range setup... definitely not for long range shooting I do use my shooting bag for the rifle and my right arm/elbow resting on the tray for empty brass cases, in order to stabilize myself. One thing missing is the support for the buttstock. 
Both 6x and 14x Optic were Primary Arms, and to be honest, they are not very good... 
Hard to see in this picture, but it has a pretty worn out rifling 
I'm glad I had some back up Uppers and a newly bought LPR which I still haven't shot yet 
This is from my new SR15 Mod1 upper, shot it 2 days ago Without those 2 fliers, it would be sub MOA 
Old picture from May 2014, when I got my first KAC rifle I love shooting my SR15, in 8 months I had shot a bit over 12,000 rounds 
Recent Picture... finally decided I really shouldn't shoot too much steel ammo 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:10:55 AM EDT
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Mod 2.
Both companies have proprietary parts, but the E3 system is just plain awesome. The only PWS product I like enough to buy over a KAC is the hens-tooth silencer mount they used to make for Yankee Hill silencers. I still like KAC silencers and will probably end up with one. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:19:35 AM EDT
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Where are you guys finding KAC in stock at good prices?
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:27:31 AM EDT
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Where are you guys finding KAC in stock at good prices? EE for Mod1, $1800-1900 New, $1700-1800 like new GB for Mod2, there's a FFL selling them for $2000 buy now which is the cheapest I've seen |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:39:48 AM EDT
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I have both and yes I would go with KAC but the 223 wylde chamber
Is what I would run in everything if I could and yes it is in pws |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 10:56:07 AM EDT
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HK MR556. ..
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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:33:05 AM EDT
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HK MR556. .. 
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:17:34 PM EDT
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I have a pws mk116 and a kac mod1
The pws is a really solid feeling rifle and I have no complaints about its performance so far(under 800 rounds) The sr15 I have roughly 4500 through and its been 100% fantastic. Are people really arguing about the accuracy of the sr15 still? lol its a hammer forged lightweight barrel and people expect it to hit .5 moa groups after 10 mags.I regularly shoot 300yrds with a 4moa dot and have no problem going 30/30 on a metal gong with mine.Either people need to learn to shoot or they need to match their gear for their expectations If you want a gun to shoot groups from a bench rest then you should probably buy a rifle with a stainless match barrel not a hammer forged lightweight. whatever rifle you go with ill sure youll be happy with the performance |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 2:19:15 PM EDT
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KAC. Personal preference. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 3:45:43 PM EDT
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Heh? DI is inherently more accurate than piston by design. Also, if going for an SPR, KAC offers a sub-moa LPR model. Anyhow, KAC and it's not even close Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PWS will be more accurate than the KAC SR 15. Both companies are excellent. Almost everyone here will pick KAC because it's DI and an awesome company. Heh? DI is inherently more accurate than piston by design. Also, if going for an SPR, KAC offers a sub-moa LPR model. Anyhow, KAC and it's not even close Barrel quality matters a lot more than piston vs DI. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 4:20:04 PM EDT
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KAC
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Posted: 3/30/2015 4:49:15 PM EDT
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The SR15 Mod1/Mod2 certainly is more than accurate enough for most purposes. The groups below were all shot with a Mod1 that had a bit over 12k rounds through it with many rounds being steel case ammo, and I almost always shoot rapid fire and mag dumps.
It might be hard to show on camera, but the last picture shows the 2 bottom lands are really worn out compare to other ones, but the barrel is still capable of 1-1.5MOA My range setup... definitely not for long range shooting I do use my shooting bag for the rifle and my right arm/elbow resting on the tray for empty brass cases, in order to stabilize myself. One thing missing is the support for the buttstock. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8582/16293074189_86820c591f_o.jpg Both 6x and 14x Optic were Primary Arms, and to be honest, they are not very good... https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8622/16619344790_c7c0c12dc2_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7336/16342817918_60dc1e4eae_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7613/16744370462_1da1a65893_o.jpg Hard to see in this picture, but it has a pretty worn out rifling https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/16523760915_3484268f1a_o.jpg I'm glad I had some back up Uppers and a newly bought LPR which I still haven't shot yet https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8561/16531986737_7c2db36d4f_o.jpg This is from my new SR15 Mod1 upper, shot it 2 days ago Without those 2 fliers, it would be sub MOA https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7641/16791330979_c8f6fae64f_o.jpg https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8728/16976195922_f07fed829c_o.jpg Old picture from May 2014, when I got my first KAC rifle I love shooting my SR15, in 8 months I had shot a bit over 12,000 rounds
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_1a642a1da2_o.jpg Recent Picture... finally decided I really shouldn't shoot too much steel ammo
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8663/16240804427_dca41b06ba_o.jpg Heavily worn rifling at 12.5k rounds? But...but...I thought the KAC barrels were supposed to last 30k rounds?! I guess barrel "life" is very subjective. ;) |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 6:26:31 PM EDT
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Heavily worn rifling at 12.5k rounds? But...but...I thought the KAC barrels were supposed to last 30k rounds?! I guess barrel "life" is very subjective. ;) Quote HistoryQuoted:
Heavily worn rifling at 12.5k rounds? But...but...I thought the KAC barrels were supposed to last 30k rounds?! I guess barrel "life" is very subjective. ;) Blain, I know you don't like us mindless KAC fanboys, but keep in mind about 4000 rounds fired were steel case ammo, and also, again, were shot rapidly. Also, I only cleaned the barrel twice. LG's ammo test shows between 4k and 6k, their AR barrels started to keyhole. By 6k it won't do better than 9MOA. There are many of us KAC guys who still doubt the 30k barrel life, there is simply no way a hard used barrel will last 30k, especially a 5.56 high velocity barrel
This question was asked on KAC industry forum but was never actually answered... Travis Haley was the one who said the barrel is still doing 2MOA after so many rounds. Also, Trey Knight himself stated below: <http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=63603> Barrel life depends so much on firing schedule that I hate to give out a number. It is best to look at initial accuracy and when the gun starts shooting unacceptable groups that is when it needs to be replaced. I have seen guns with over 10,000 rounds shoot fine. We have replaced some barrels at about 20,000 rounds in some test guns. These barrels were meticulously maintained. If you were to hose on a barrel you could easily wear it out in 10,000 rounds or less. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 7:18:01 PM EDT
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ill go ahead and leave this here
http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 7:42:59 PM EDT
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ill go ahead and leave this here http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ I've seen that before, but I wonder how hard do they run the rifle? One pic shows sub 500F with supposed 500rd string.... there is no way the gun could stay that cool if rapid firing. However, I sure am jealous they can shoot 3500rds in just one day... |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 7:52:51 PM EDT
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ill go ahead and leave this here http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ I think you knocked me off the fence. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:00:55 PM EDT
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I think you knocked me off the fence. Thanks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ill go ahead and leave this here http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ I think you knocked me off the fence. Thanks Congrats! It might soon be your favorite rifle 
Also, it probably won't be your last KAC rifle |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:09:00 PM EDT
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I've seen that before, but I wonder how hard do they run the rifle? One pic shows sub 500F with supposed 500rd string.... there is no way the gun could stay that cool if rapid firing. However, I sure am jealous they can shoot 3500rds in just one day... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ill go ahead and leave this here http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ I've seen that before, but I wonder how hard do they run the rifle? One pic shows sub 500F with supposed 500rd string.... there is no way the gun could stay that cool if rapid firing. However, I sure am jealous they can shoot 3500rds in just one day... hes shot several thousand rounds in a day with it a few times.Id imagine at that rate of fire its going to get hotter and say hotter than anyone aside from a select fire lower owner will see.Given his track record of testing things for companies id say that hes fairly honest when it come to this stuff.That is actually his personally owned rifle that was bought on his own with no help from kac So far its the most thorough real world test that ive seen that even a kac hater cant dispute lol Hes testing a lwrc tricon right now if im not mistaken |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:24:02 PM EDT
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hes shot several thousand rounds in a day with it a few times.Id imagine at that rate of fire its going to get hotter and say hotter than anyone aside from a select fire lower owner will see.Given his track record of testing things for companies id say that hes fairly honest when it come to this stuff.That is actually his personally owned rifle that was bought on his own with no help from kac So far its the most thorough real world test that ive seen that even a kac hater cant dispute lol Hes testing a lwrc tricon right now if im not mistaken Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ill go ahead and leave this here http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ I've seen that before, but I wonder how hard do they run the rifle? One pic shows sub 500F with supposed 500rd string.... there is no way the gun could stay that cool if rapid firing. However, I sure am jealous they can shoot 3500rds in just one day... hes shot several thousand rounds in a day with it a few times.Id imagine at that rate of fire its going to get hotter and say hotter than anyone aside from a select fire lower owner will see.Given his track record of testing things for companies id say that hes fairly honest when it come to this stuff.That is actually his personally owned rifle that was bought on his own with no help from kac So far its the most thorough real world test that ive seen that even a kac hater cant dispute lol Hes testing a lwrc tricon right now if im not mistaken He have a link to his testing on the LWRC? Curiosity beckons. |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 8:42:26 PM EDT
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you gotta follow him on fb.Dont think hes actually started posting results on the lwrc test yet aside from a few quick pictures
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:03:14 PM EDT
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I feel certain I would love the KAC if I owned one but I do not. I do however own a PWS MK116 and it is my favorite rifle. One day I may own the KAC as well, as so many people in this forum have attested to the quality of the rifle. I think you would be happy with either one. Buy, shoot and don't look back.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:39:56 PM EDT
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KAC. I couldn't get past the PWS gas plug. If you rotate the wrong way past the last setting everything jumps out, including a small spring and detent. Getting it back in, under rail, was a PIA for me - at home. Couldn't imagine recovering from that in the field. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but that was my experience. The gun itself ran great for the limited use it saw.
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Posted: 3/30/2015 11:27:23 PM EDT
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The SR15 Mod1/Mod2 certainly is more than accurate enough for most purposes. The groups below were all shot with a Mod1 that had a bit over 12k rounds through it with many rounds being steel case ammo, and I almost always shoot rapid fire and mag dumps.
It might be hard to show on camera, but the last picture shows the 2 bottom lands are really worn out compare to other ones, but the barrel is still capable of 1-1.5MOA My range setup... definitely not for long range shooting I do use my shooting bag for the rifle and my right arm/elbow resting on the tray for empty brass cases, in order to stabilize myself. One thing missing is the support for the buttstock. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8582/16293074189_86820c591f_o.jpg Both 6x and 14x Optic were Primary Arms, and to be honest, they are not very good... https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8622/16619344790_c7c0c12dc2_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7336/16342817918_60dc1e4eae_o.jpg https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7613/16744370462_1da1a65893_o.jpg Hard to see in this picture, but it has a pretty worn out rifling https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/16523760915_3484268f1a_o.jpg I'm glad I had some back up Uppers and a newly bought LPR which I still haven't shot yet https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8561/16531986737_7c2db36d4f_o.jpg This is from my new SR15 Mod1 upper, shot it 2 days ago Without those 2 fliers, it would be sub MOA https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7641/16791330979_c8f6fae64f_o.jpg https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8728/16976195922_f07fed829c_o.jpg Old picture from May 2014, when I got my first KAC rifle I love shooting my SR15, in 8 months I had shot a bit over 12,000 rounds
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_1a642a1da2_o.jpg Recent Picture... finally decided I really shouldn't shoot too much steel ammo
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8663/16240804427_dca41b06ba_o.jpg You finally got the T-1. Nice |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 1:29:23 AM EDT
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KAC |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 2:55:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2015 8:01:20 AM EDT
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You finally got the T-1. Nice Yep
Too good of a deal to pass up |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 11:03:09 AM EDT
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HK MR556. .. Hahahahahhahahahahhaha |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 11:42:52 AM EDT
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PWS
There is no bad choice between the two. My PWS (both) have been reliable and accurate. They don't seem to get nearly as dirty either. |
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Posted: 3/31/2015 1:56:58 PM EDT
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Where are you guys finding KAC in stock at good prices? At Boltcarrier.com. Ayan is the man for all things KAC. If you want to be assimilated, visit the KAC subforum in the Industry section. 
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Posted: 3/31/2015 2:44:09 PM EDT
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ill go ahead and leave this here http://ballisticradio.com/endurance-tests/kac-sr-15-mod-2/ I need to stay away from this forum. You people are horrible. |
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