I thought it was implied, isn't the SOCOM the new standard now, or was I mistaken (entirely possible)?

Short answer is yes. But M4geries could have either. Just go on EE. There are vendors that sell complete M4 uppers. If not, buy the parts and send to ADCO. Problem solved.

Yes and no - the M4 is still the M4, with the same old M4 specs.  

The "new" M4 standard is nothing more than an off-the-shelf M4A1 with an ambidextrous selector lever, the RO921HB barrel profile has been standard on the M4A1 since about 2000.  

Just as the M16A1 didn't stop being the M16A1 when the M16A2 was adopted, the M4 will always be the M4.  

~Augee

It takes a vise, a barrel clamp, a barrel nut wrench and a torque wrench to install a barrel.  The clamp can be any of a number of similar tools, and there are a large number of barrel nut wrenches out there - neither of these is terribly expensive (my barrel vise blocks cost $16 and my DPMS wrench was $20).  It really isn't difficult or expensive, and I will bet that once you build one upper, you'll want to build more of 'em.

I am not a big fan of my guns looking like a NSACAR car (logos all over it) but there are thread on how to darken in the laser etching.....ORRRRRRR if you shoot it a bunch it gets dirty and then the problem sort of self corrects.  I usually just hit all the logos with a black sharpie and move on.  Had one chuckle head ask me about the "subdued" parts...no kidding

After a while, you just them for what they were intended and forget "how they look".  After all most of us have NATO "logos" on our barrels right ... The BCMs come in and out of stock all the time, just keep an eye on the site.  I have two BCM uppers and I am as they say in marketing "delighted".  The BCG deal is pretty cool and they also included the BCM GF Mod 0 on my last upper rather than an A2 FH no charge.  

You aren't going to have a real deal clone anyway even if you get a 14.5" ... still gotta pin on a longer flash hider....unless of course you get a mother my I stamp.  

He could even take it to a local gunsmith that works on ARs and have him do it. After all, it is not rocket science.

So you made this thread to complain about being poor? Didn't you also start a thread about buying knock off  handguards because the DD M4A1 handguard was too expensive?

 


Sounds like you need to drop the "100% clone" nonsense and just focus on building a decent carbine within your means.




A clone is a COLT SOCOM with DD rail. Otherwise you are just building a carbine.


 

Agreed.

 

Brand is irrelevant to me, the part either meets the spec, or it does not, if it does I do not care who made it, if it doesn't I still do not care who made it.

I buy parts in much the same way as the military does (or are supposed to) once specs are met I go with the lowest bidder, I don't care who they are as long as they meet spec I don't care if they are the same supplier (colt) or not, the cheapest one gets the sale.

BCM has ugly logos on everything, but I can live with those because other than that they are 100% correct and hundreds of dollars cheaper than the Colt particularly once you factor in the bolt carrier.

What's wrong with looking for the best deals?

So you made a thread about not having money when you want to buy something?
Am I missing something, or do I have to read all three pages?

So you complain when what you want to order something that isn't in stock when you can afford it, but also complain you can't afford it when it is in stock. Perhaps you should take a class on how to manage you personal expenses and budget.

can i get a PM with info please?

I've built ARs from FN parts as long ago as the early 90's.  The were the original supplier for the old-school part kits (M&A, J&T, Model 1, etc)

How about this one:
http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=231

Nothing, but its not a clone.

 

And I don't see the tech question here if you're set on BCM because they are less expensive. CMMG, Spikes, LMT, Stag, and more make 14.5'' uppers that are good quality. Find your deals on slickguns.com or the Equiment Exchange, not the tech section here.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to go with the lowest cost, quality parts that meet "spec" but if that is your goal, you're misusing the term "clone."

Unless you are buying the actual parts in use by .mil, then it's not a clone.  Not to even mention the fact that the sole supplier for the M4A1 RIS II is DD (nobody else manufacturers them for the military), so short of you getting the DD, it definitely isn't a clone.

Just understand that words have meanings, and when you come in here using the wrong terms for what you want, it makes it a lot harder for people to help you.

It sounds more like you want an "M4 type" carbine that maybe looks the part of the "Block II" but doesn't carry with it the relatively high cost.