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Posted: 2/26/2015 7:05:43 PM EDT

I recently sent off a bbl have a muzzle device per attached the bbl. Turns out when I got it back the OAL was about 1/4" short. I asked the gunsmith what my options were and got an email stating that this wasn't their fault (which I understand I measured incorrectly prior to sending off and since I didn't specifiy that I wanted 16.1" ) however they also stated that they frequently perm attach muzzle devices all the time for bbls that have no intention of being greater than 16"

My question to the group: Why would you do this? Or is this just some ploy that they didn't check their work and they hope I don't know better?

Posted: 2/26/2015 7:11:25 PM EDT

[#1]

Was it a 14.5? If so you need an extended muzzle device. A standard A2 wont cut it.
It doesn't sound like they did anything wrong to me though. Sounds like they did exactly what you asked.

But to answer your actual question, the answer is you wouldn't. There is no reason to pin except to clear SBR laws with a shorter than 16" bbl.

Posted: 2/26/2015 7:24:15 PM EDT

[#2]

Weld glass breaker on the outside of the flash hider.

FYI If you tell your mechanic to put a new water pump in your car and the engine is still overheating afterwards it isn't the mechanic's fault.

Posted: 2/26/2015 7:28:08 PM EDT

[#3]

I don't know why they did it as I don't think the customer asked for it, but I've seen ADCO permanently attached a suppressor mount on an 11.5" rifle.

Posted: 2/26/2015 7:28:23 PM EDT

[#4]

One reason to pin a FH on a barrel less than 16 inches would be to make your AR pistol greater than 26" OAL so you can add a vertical fore grip without creting an AOW.

Posted: 2/26/2015 8:33:52 PM EDT

[#5]

Seems kinda weak to me, I understand the op didn't specify what he wanted, however, as the op asked, why would someone pin a muzzle device on a barrel only to make it 15.9"? I think the shop should have noticed this and asked the op to clarify /approve the job.

Posted: 2/26/2015 9:06:28 PM EDT

[#6]

Less length equals easier day via less driving.

Posted: 2/26/2015 10:00:37 PM EDT

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One reason to pin a FH on a barrel less than 16 inches would be to make your AR pistol greater than 26" OAL so you can add a vertical fore grip without creting an AOW.

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Now this answer makes sense. I had not thought of that. Thank you.

For those wondering, it was an 11.5" bbl with an XM-177 type f/s. The length came out to roughly 15.8". We have agreed for me to send it back and have a longer f/s put on for the OAL to be 16.1"

Thanks for the help guys.

Posted: 2/26/2015 10:11:47 PM EDT

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Now this answer makes sense. I had not thought of that. Thank you.

For those wondering, it was an 11.5" bbl with an XM-177 type f/s. The length came out to roughly 15.8". We have agreed for me to send it back and have a longer f/s put on for the OAL to be 16.1"

Thanks for the help guys.

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One reason to pin a FH on a barrel less than 16 inches would be to make your AR pistol greater than 26" OAL so you can add a vertical fore grip without creting an AOW.

Now this answer makes sense. I had not thought of that. Thank you.

For those wondering, it was an 11.5" bbl with an XM-177 type f/s. The length came out to roughly 15.8". We have agreed for me to send it back and have a longer f/s put on for the OAL to be 16.1"

Thanks for the help guys.

Not to hijack the thread, but where did you get the FH? I have a DPMS barrel with one pinned and welded from factory but I'd like to get an 11.5 barrel and the FH separately because it would make it a lot easier to use a triangle hand guard cap...

Posted: 2/26/2015 11:13:13 PM EDT

[#9]

Shop should have dropped the dime and asked the customer what he was trying to do before finalizing that FH. Now most likely he will need a new barrel.

Posted: 2/26/2015 11:16:23 PM EDT

[#10]

Are there any states that require all muzzle devices to be permanently attacked?

Posted: 2/26/2015 11:24:40 PM EDT

[#11]

I see both sides.

Op should have measured. Shop did what they hired for.

But as I business owner I would always check measurements. As a professional they should know. It also shows they don't give a shit. Come on how hard is it to check. If they took the time to measure and double check they would make a lot of customers happy by catching mistakes. Instead they look like LAZY idiots who piss customers off.

It is like taking your car to shop and asking for replace part XYZ

Shop 1 fixes part XYZ

Shop 2 educates customer that fixing XYZ won't solve there problem... they ask questions to make sure they are providing exceptional service.

Is it really that hard?

Posted: 2/26/2015 11:25:47 PM EDT

[#12]

Flash hider that can't be tightened down full that's partially inside the rail.

Posted: 2/26/2015 11:30:00 PM EDT

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Yes. I used to have to perm MBs on 10.5 and 11.5 SBRs

Posted: 2/27/2015 2:15:05 AM EDT

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I see both sides.

Op should have measured. Shop did what they hired for.

But as I business owner I would always check measurements. As a professional they should know. It also shows they don't give a shit. Come on how hard is it to check. If they took the time to measure and double check they would make a lot of customers happy by catching mistakes. Instead they look like LAZY idiots who piss customers off.

It is like taking your car to shop and asking for replace part XYZ

Shop 1 fixes part XYZ

Shop 2 educates customer that fixing XYZ won't solve there problem... they ask questions to make sure they are providing exceptional service.

Is it really that hard?

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OP told the shop to do something without telling them what he was attempting to accomplish. This is on the OP. It's nice that they're taking care of his mistake.

Posted: 2/27/2015 7:31:04 AM EDT

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OP told the shop to do something without telling them what he was attempting to accomplish. This is on the OP. It's nice that they're taking care of his mistake.

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I see both sides.

Op should have measured. Shop did what they hired for.

But as I business owner I would always check measurements. As a professional they should know. It also shows they don't give a shit. Come on how hard is it to check. If they took the time to measure and double check they would make a lot of customers happy by catching mistakes. Instead they look like LAZY idiots who piss customers off.

It is like taking your car to shop and asking for replace part XYZ

Shop 1 fixes part XYZ

Shop 2 educates customer that fixing XYZ won't solve there problem... they ask questions to make sure they are providing exceptional service.

Is it really that hard?

OP told the shop to do something without telling them what he was attempting to accomplish. This is on the OP. It's nice that they're taking care of his mistake.

I wouldnt go that far. I'm gonna have to pay to have short one removed and the "new" one attached. It's turning out to be about a 75 dollar learning experience. I wasn't all that happy with the pin job. They have done much better in the past. So I may end up sending it elsewhere. I haven't decided yet.

Posted: 2/27/2015 10:12:31 AM EDT

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I recently sent off a bbl have a muzzle device per attached the bbl. Turns out when I got it back the OAL was about 1/4" short. I asked the gunsmith what my options were and got an email stating that this wasn't their fault (which I understand I measured incorrectly prior to sending off and since I didn't specifiy that I wanted 16.1" ) however they also stated that they frequently perm attach muzzle devices all the time for bbls that have no intention of being greater than 16"

My question to the group: Why would you do this? Or is this just some ploy that they didn't check their work and they hope I don't know better?

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Colt: You got that right, your "gunsmith" screwed up and is trying to rationalize her/his mistake. Ask youself, who in their right, law-abiding mind would permanently attach a muzzle device with a total length less than 16 inches? You contributed to the problem if you sent the smith a barrel and muzzle device that didn't add up to more than 16 inches, but she/he should have caught it and proposed a different device.

Personally, if I lived in one of those less-free states, I would pick a 16.1" barrel to begin with and screw on either a brake or thread protector, no gunsmith required. BTW, I find it interesting that some of those states ban flash hiders, along with bayonet mounts. It reveals their true intention, they don't want civilians to own military rifles, fear of rebellion against socialist coercion. - CW

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