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So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec.
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ooooh, nice, what did it run you for the tube alone, it can use a non ratchet castle nut, correct? Also would you believe its worth the extra expense vs something like a smoke composites fixed stock, Atleast thist would allow the use of all standard collapseable stocks.
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Where'd you find a PWS Mod 2 in stock?
Originally Posted By ahrion:
So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Slimjim:
ooooh, nice, what did it run you for the tube alone, it can use a non ratchet castle nut, correct? Also would you believe its worth the extra expense vs something like a smoke composites fixed stock, Atleast thist would allow the use of all standard collapseable stocks. View Quote Fortress Tactical had the tube in stock for about thirty minutes no got an email super early in the morning from them saying that they got them in stock because they were bugging PWS (who hasn't released it outside of full rifles due to packaging not being complete). So it didn't include packaging. However they were sold out soon. glad I was on the list. The tube works with other castle nuts and end plates. I'm not even going to use the one included, I put the V7 Aluminum castle nut and v7 aluminum end plate due to my lightweight build below. Honestly fixed stocks suck. I'm not a midget and I'm not a monster, I usually have the stock at 1-3 depending on what I'm doing. 3.1 oz isn't bad. Remember, you don't want a front heavy rifle, there needs to be a balance. It's funny because I have a 8 lbs rifle that everyone thinks is super light because it's weight is almost perfectly balanced. But it isn't light at all. Pics peeps. forum image hosting free image host |
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Originally Posted By ahrion:
So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec. <a href="http://postimg.org/image/44ejtq9al/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/6lqb0zt75/image.jpg</a> free image host <a href="http://postimg.org/image/41uo6w5n1/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/41uo6w5n5/image.jpg</a> photo hosting View Quote I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. |
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Originally Posted By Spartikis:
I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. http://cdn3.volusion.com/ehj5y.ujx2n/v/vspfiles/photos/RIFLE-EBT-MOD2-7T.jpg?1455801587 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Spartikis:
Originally Posted By ahrion:
So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec. <a href="http://postimg.org/image/44ejtq9al/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/6lqb0zt75/image.jpg</a> free image host <a href="http://postimg.org/image/41uo6w5n1/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/41uo6w5n5/image.jpg</a> photo hosting I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. http://cdn3.volusion.com/ehj5y.ujx2n/v/vspfiles/photos/RIFLE-EBT-MOD2-7T.jpg?1455801587 I think the purpose of that is to keep the dirty and debree out and pushed out. I haven't had many stock that don't cover that area. This one does just fine though. |
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Originally Posted By ahrion:
I think the purpose of that is to keep the dirty and debree out and pushed out. I haven't had many stock that don't cover that area. This one does just fine though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ahrion:
Originally Posted By Spartikis:
Originally Posted By ahrion:
So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec. <a href="http://postimg.org/image/44ejtq9al/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/6lqb0zt75/image.jpg</a> free image host <a href="http://postimg.org/image/41uo6w5n1/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/41uo6w5n5/image.jpg</a> photo hosting I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. http://cdn3.volusion.com/ehj5y.ujx2n/v/vspfiles/photos/RIFLE-EBT-MOD2-7T.jpg?1455801587 I think the purpose of that is to keep the dirty and debree out and pushed out. I haven't had many stock that don't cover that area. This one does just fine though. Bet that could be cut out of a normal buffer tube as well.. |
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Originally Posted By Spartikis:
I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. http://cdn3.volusion.com/ehj5y.ujx2n/v/vspfiles/photos/RIFLE-EBT-MOD2-7T.jpg?1455801587 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Spartikis:
Originally Posted By ahrion:
So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec. <a href="http://postimg.org/image/44ejtq9al/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/6lqb0zt75/image.jpg</a> free image host <a href="http://postimg.org/image/41uo6w5n1/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/41uo6w5n5/image.jpg</a> photo hosting I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. http://cdn3.volusion.com/ehj5y.ujx2n/v/vspfiles/photos/RIFLE-EBT-MOD2-7T.jpg?1455801587 My guess is that is where the weight is saved the v7 lieghtweight tube is 3.6oz those flutes don't reduce weight because it's not a solid object. Honestly how does that system even work with those flutes? |
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Originally Posted By Nanashi:
My guess is that is where the weight is saved the v7 lieghtweight tube is 3.6oz those flutes don't reduce weight because it's not a solid object. Honestly how does that system even work with those flutes? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Nanashi:
Originally Posted By Spartikis:
Originally Posted By ahrion:
So I received my PWS enhanced Buffer Tube Mod 2 Today with the ratchet lock castle nut and end plate. The tube alone fluctuates between 3.0-3.1 oz. it feels really sturdy and since it uses a better aluminum it is stronger than mil spec. <a href="http://postimg.org/image/44ejtq9al/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/6lqb0zt75/image.jpg</a> free image host <a href="http://postimg.org/image/41uo6w5n1/full/" target="_blank">http://s22.postimg.org/41uo6w5n5/image.jpg</a> photo hosting I love the weight but im kind of concerned about the back of the tube which appears to have large sections cut out, this would allow dirt and crude to get into the buffer tube. Not a problem if youre using a stock with a plate on the back of it like a Magpul CTR but would be an issue if you're using the mil spec M4 stock, or for me im using the old school CAR stock. http://cdn3.volusion.com/ehj5y.ujx2n/v/vspfiles/photos/RIFLE-EBT-MOD2-7T.jpg?1455801587 My guess is that is where the weight is saved the v7 lieghtweight tube is 3.6oz those flutes don't reduce weight because it's not a solid object. Honestly how does that system even work with those flutes? The flute is on the outside, not the inside. And the way it works is that it's fluted vs mil spec thickness which causes about half an ounce to be saved. On top of that it adds the lip to prevent carrier tilt, which couldn't be possible to add that from a mil spec tube. Also mil spec is 6065 and this is 7075. So there are a few subtle differences. (I run a piston) |
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Milspec is 7075. There are milspec diameter tubes in 6061, but they're not true milspec.
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Add A*B Arms SBR P*Grip to the list at 2.2 oz.
http://www.abarms.com/A-B-Arms-SBR-P-Grip-p/abasbrp.htm Just weighed it with my digital postal scale. The grip angle is a cross between the old school and PDW grip angles. Grip circumference is skinny like a Magpul SL Grip, but has much better retention thanks to the slight palm swell and finger notch. Storage compartment comes with a piece of foam that forms perfect for holding a AA or CR123 battery, and the retainer holds well. No hinge to break, just a sliding plate. I am pleased with it. Magpul K Grip isn't the only game in town now at that weight Pic of my lower without buffer and spring on a scale. 1 lb. 2.6 oz. " /> |
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I'm a hair over 5.8lbs for my rifle plus optic.
I have a few weights to toss in, measured on my scale. Rainier no F/A upper receiver - 6.62oz 187.5g 2A Armament no F/A upper receiver - 5.74oz 163g 2A 7" MLOK rail - 4.04oz 114.5g 2A titanium rail nut - 1.84oz 52.0g (heavier than advertised combined) 2A gas block - .78oz 22g (heavier than advertised) Troy Alpha 7" rail - 7.06oz 200.0g V7 titanium castle nut - .34oz 9.5g V7 titanium grip screw - .08oz 2.5g V7 titanium buffer retainer (plus spring) - .06oz 1.5g Mil steel castle nut - .62oz 17.5g Mil steel grip screw - .28oz 8.0g Mil steel buffer retainer (plus spring) - .08oz 2.5g BAD titanium pivot/takedown pins - .32oz 9.0g Mil steel pivot/takedown pins - .52oz 15.0g Noveske end plate QD - .50oz 14g Magpul end plate QD - .74oz 21g Milspec end plate - .52oz 15g AAC 51T 7.62 flash hider - 3.46oz 98.0g |
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DSA is coming out with a line of Titanium parts, much cheaper takedown pins than V7 or 2A, but not as fancy, they just mimic the standard pins, I have a set coming.
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This is my current lightweight build. Lots of V7, a DSA Upper, Mag Tac Lower, Boomfab BCG, Faxon Pencil Barrel. My goal was Zero Poly.
4# 7.1oz and I'm waiting to find a set of Bobro Lowroder BUS at 1.7 oz. So roughly 4# 9oz when complete. http://imgur.com/OlsQIW2 |
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Originally Posted By BeltFed_1:
I have a few parts to share... For those of you that have F/A upper receivers, but don't want/care to use the F/A or their bolts don't use the F/A, then there are a couple of options. I couldn't take pictures, but I do have the weights: 1. Schuster Forward Assist Plug: 0.10 oz. It is made out of some sort of hard plastic, feels hollow, and fits very very snug into my Mag Tactical upper, pinned just like an F/A. 2. Simplistic Shooting Solutions AR Gas Vent Forward Assist: 0.24 oz. For those of you that would like to run suppressed and are concerned about gas blow-back, this little lightweight device could help. It looks like an F/A, but it is hollow and has a vent to the side for the gases. Super lightweight when compared to a standard F/A. I believe it is aluminum. For comparison, V7 Weapon Systems' Ultra-Light Forward Assist weighs 0.32 oz. Now for the ones I did take pictures of... Faxon 14.5" 5.56 NATO Pencil Barrel; 17.60 oz or 1.10 lbs: http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/izzy_910/Faxon%2014.5%20pencil_zpsxueywhps.jpg Taccom Ultra Lightweight Carbine Buffer; 1.05 oz: http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/izzy_910/Taccom%20ultra%20light%20weight%20carbine%20buffer_zpsuuoocijk.jpg David Tubb CS Lightweight Flatwire Buffer Spring model# ARBUFLW; 1.15 oz: http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/izzy_910/David%20Tubb%20lightweight%20buffer%20spring_zpsx5dseybu.jpg View Quote I have the same barrel for my wife's build en route back home from ADCO for a pin/weld. Are they nitriding the barrel extensions now? I hope they aren't pulling a Radical Firearms and nitriding the barrel with the extensions installed. Maybe someone from Faxon will chime in. |
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Originally Posted By BeltFed_1:
I have a few parts to share... For those of you that have F/A upper receivers, but don't want/care to use the F/A or their bolts don't use the F/A, then there are a couple of options. I couldn't take pictures, but I do have the weights: 1. Schuster Forward Assist Plug: 0.10 oz. It is made out of some sort of hard plastic, feels hollow, and fits very very snug into my Mag Tactical upper, pinned just like an F/A. 2. Simplistic Shooting Solutions AR Gas Vent Forward Assist: 0.24 oz. For those of you that would like to run suppressed and are concerned about gas blow-back, this little lightweight device could help. It looks like an F/A, but it is hollow and has a vent to the side for the gases. Super lightweight when compared to a standard F/A. I believe it is aluminum. For comparison, V7 Weapon Systems' Ultra-Light Forward Assist weighs 0.32 oz. Now for the ones I did take pictures of... Faxon 14.5" 5.56 NATO Pencil Barrel; 17.60 oz or 1.10 lbs: http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/izzy_910/Faxon%2014.5%20pencil_zpsxueywhps.jpg Taccom Ultra Lightweight Carbine Buffer; 1.05 oz: http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/izzy_910/Taccom%20ultra%20light%20weight%20carbine%20buffer_zpsuuoocijk.jpg David Tubb CS Lightweight Flatwire Buffer Spring model# ARBUFLW; 1.15 oz: http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/izzy_910/David%20Tubb%20lightweight%20buffer%20spring_zpsx5dseybu.jpg View Quote I prefer the Damage Industries carbine length spring. It's a much better value as well. Question about your lightweight buffer system - hows the recoil compared to the standard buffer? I currently run a Kynshot Hydraulic recoil buffer that mitigates felt recoil phenomenally. |
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Yeah. I didnt know they werent nitriding the barrel extensions before. This barrel just came in this past week. I really hope it doesnt turn out like the RFs.
I havent assembled this build yet, parts are still coming in by the mail. So I wont know how it performs and how much adjusting I will have to do on the gas system. I have some parts on backorder and wont see a finished build for another three weeks. I'll let you know once I get it all set up. Funny thing is, this build is also for my girlfriend, but I didn't pin and weld, I went the SBR route at 14.5". I'll have to look into the Damage Industries spring. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By BeltFed_1:
Yeah. I didnt know they werent nitriding the barrel extensions before. This barrel just came in this past week. I really hope it doesnt turn out like the RFs. I havent assembled this build yet, parts are still coming in by the mail. So I wont know how it performs and how much adjusting I will have to do on the gas system. I have some parts on backorder and wont see a finished build for another three weeks. I'll let you know once I get it all set up. Funny thing is, this build is also for my girlfriend, but I didn't pin and weld, I went the SBR route at 14.5". I'll have to look into the Damage Industries spring. Thanks! View Quote Springco makes really good springs as well. |
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Originally Posted By BeltFed_1:
Yeah. I didnt know they werent nitriding the barrel extensions before. This barrel just came in this past week. I really hope it doesnt turn out like the RFs. I havent assembled this build yet, parts are still coming in by the mail. So I wont know how it performs and how much adjusting I will have to do on the gas system. I have some parts on backorder and wont see a finished build for another three weeks. I'll let you know once I get it all set up. Funny thing is, this build is also for my girlfriend, but I didn't pin and weld, I went the SBR route at 14.5". I'll have to look into the Damage Industries spring. Thanks! View Quote I sent Faxon an e-mail about the barrel extensions and will report back when I hear from them. |
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This was the response I received from Faxon:
"Our barrel extensions are Black Oxide treated only. We do this as we do not want to nitride them and mess with the base heat-treat." With that being said, I guess these won't have the same kind of issues that the RF barrels have had. |
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Man that thing is sweet! Keep us updated on its performance.
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It's being independently tested now out of state, can't run it too hard in Cali, too many damn 10 round mags...
We've run hundreds of rounds through it, but we'd like thousands. |
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
Next Intent Titanium Adjustable http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86157 the .625 (.058 OZ) http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86155 the .750 (.064 OZ) View Quote Is this your company? |
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
Next Intent Titanium Adjustable http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86157 the .625 (.058 OZ) http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86155 the .750 (.064 OZ) View Quote It's a good looking block for sure. But for $160, and it only being set screw the weight saving isn't worth it. If it were click adjustable I would consider it. |
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Yeah that's me
and yes it seals as tight as anything I've seen. We found that when the click adjustable ones seize up, they seize up really good and went with the low-tech highly-resilient adjustment system. they're both good if you pull them apart an clean them every once in a while, but the simple set screw with no detents or springs is the way to go in the long run. This is of course, my opinion. |
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
Yeah that's me and yes it seals as tight as anything I've seen. We found that when the click adjustable ones seize up, they seize up really good and went with the low-tech highly-resilient adjustment system. they're both good if you pull them apart an clean them every once in a while, but the simple set screw with no detents or springs is the way to go in the long run. This is of course, my opinion. View Quote |
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That sounds awesome, I'd love to take you up on it.
Right now I'm having it tested in Utah and Georgia, and another one went to the border patrol. Those three are hopefully going to tell me all I need to know, I will keep you updated. |
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
Next Intent Titanium Adjustable http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86157 the .625 (.058 OZ) http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86155 the .750 (.064 OZ) View Quote Very interesting. I'd love to try this on my rifles eventually. I have a .223 Wylde 10.5" SBR build going right now, as well as a modification build on my Colt AR901 .308 win. Both in dire need of super lightweight components, specially the .308. |
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Man I want to shoot with all you guys.
Hey mods, can I throw a Promo code out here? ok cool, Promo-code earlybird |
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
No that code should still be good, give it another shot, if it doesn't work ill make up a new one. earlybird http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=86803 here's a challenge for you guys in free states, try and get one this hot View Quote Didn't work for me. |
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try this one,
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DSA has a new lightweight bolt catch when the paddle portion is hollowed out.
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Wouldn't trust a titanium bolt catch.
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
try this one, uglyclown View Quote Thank you. Question though. With that low profile socket head screw, does it strip? What kind of screw is it??? Grade 8? ASTM A574? I ask because on one of my builds the reg socket head screw is 6-32 x 3/8 (2 of them) but it doesn't clear my rail (the heads are two large). Was wondering if two 6-32 x 3/8 low head socket screws would be able to handle that type of clamp strength and without stripping. Key size is 1/16 I'm going to buy the NI To GB but this is for another build. |
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Originally Posted By ahrion:
DSA has a new lightweight bolt catch when the paddle portion is hollowed out. View Quote Looks interesting, but there's no weight listed. I'm curious as to how much weight is saved by the hollowed out design. V Seven has an Ultra Light 8620 Bolt Catch listed at .317oz Badger Ordnance has a Titanium Enhanced Bolt Stop listed at .247oz |
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Originally Posted By DekNgo:
Looks interesting, but there's no weight listed. I'm curious as to how much weight is saved by the hollowed out design. V Seven has an Ultra Light 8620 Bolt Catch listed at .317oz Badger Ordnance has a Titanium Enhanced Bolt Stop listed at .247oz View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DekNgo:
Originally Posted By ahrion:
DSA has a new lightweight bolt catch when the paddle portion is hollowed out. Looks interesting, but there's no weight listed. I'm curious as to how much weight is saved by the hollowed out design. V Seven has an Ultra Light 8620 Bolt Catch listed at .317oz Badger Ordnance has a Titanium Enhanced Bolt Stop listed at .247oz V7 has another S7 bolt catch. It's a little lighter. I wouldn't trust thebbadger Ordnance though. There's a reason they use extremely tough steel for the bolt catch. |
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Good Question.
I haven't had one strip on me going in, I have had them strip coming back out because of the serrations on the washer. If you just tighten it down so that the conical wash bottoms out, it's good to go. If you tighten more than that it's pretty hard to get off. For that reason the next generation will have a custom screw with a Torx drive. I'm looking in to that now. The screw I've got in there now is an 8-32, Class 3A thread fit which will meet ASTM A574. Rockwell hardness of C39, and a minimum tensile strength of 145,000 psi |
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Originally Posted By Kernal87:
Good Question. I haven't had one strip on me going in, I have had them strip coming back out because of the serrations on the washer. If you just tighten it down so that the conical wash bottoms out, it's good to go. If you tighten more than that it's pretty hard to get off. For that reason the next generation will have a custom screw with a Torx drive. I'm looking in to that now. The screw I've got in there now is an 8-32, Class 3A thread fit which will meet ASTM A574. Rockwell hardness of C39, and a minimum tensile strength of 145,000 psi View Quote Do you have a torque spec? I'd prefer an objective number over relying on watching for the washer to bottom out. |
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Originally Posted By Spartikis:
FYI, the CAR stock weighs about 4.5oz, which is close to half of what the Magpul weighs. https://www.mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1592&iCat=21&iSubOne=397 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Spartikis:
Originally Posted By M4ger:
This one should be 5.5lbs finished. https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5833/23907180502_4f3c3cc467_h.jpg This, as you see it, is 2lb 5.8oz FYI, the CAR stock weighs about 4.5oz, which is close to half of what the Magpul weighs. https://www.mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1592&iCat=21&iSubOne=397 DAM! Double Dam! Didn't know that! Need to know info. Thank You! |
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