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Posted: 9/24/2015 10:00:14 PM EDT
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Rear sight will go, as soon as the Matech gets here. (Ordered this eve ETA 2 Oct)
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Posted: 9/24/2015 11:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanCheese:
Rear sight ....what barrel length is that? 
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanCheese:
Originally Posted By tetonrvr:
WIP Put on A2 FSB, Grip ect Found a brand new in wrapper KAC RIS and handle. Locally, Next to go is the eotec and magpul buis Will prob go with reg Aimpoint and matec Will repaint all at once some time soon< I hope haha http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/bigskytrapper/IMG_0106_zpss6hisgfs.jpg Rear sight ....what barrel length is that?
Way too long. (Looks 16) also, hopefully he didn't put an A2 FSB on it like he said he did, because he might have a hard time zeroing his crone incrorrect irons. 
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Posted: 9/25/2015 12:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Way too long. (Looks 16) also, hopefully he didn't put an A2 FSB on it like he said he did, because he might have a hard time zeroing his crone incrorrect irons. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By AmericanCheese:
Originally Posted By tetonrvr:
WIP Put on A2 FSB, Grip ect Found a brand new in wrapper KAC RIS and handle. Locally, Next to go is the eotec and magpul buis Will prob go with reg Aimpoint and matec Will repaint all at once some time soon< I hope haha http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/bigskytrapper/IMG_0106_zpss6hisgfs.jpg Rear sight ....what barrel length is that?
Way too long. (Looks 16) also, hopefully he didn't put an A2 FSB on it like he said he did, because he might have a hard time zeroing his crone incrorrect irons. Indeed
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2015 1:39:25 PM EDT
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I had to go back and double check, it is a "F" fsb, Its should be good, shouldn't have called it an A2, (must have been thinking about the grip when was typing)
The barrel /receiver is awaiting a F1 to return. Then I'll do something more "proper". Have too much already invested in muzzle devices to switch out to some crazy pinweld combination, that is still 16"? The magpull trigger guard went away today as well for a reg GI. It'll go , little time to work with it? |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 1:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tetonrvr:
I had to go back and double check, it is a "F" fsb, Its should be good, shouldn't have called it an A2, (must have been thinking about the grip when was typing) The barrel /receiver is awaiting a F1 to return. Then I'll do something more "proper". Have too much already invested in muzzle devices to switch out to some crazy pinweld combination, that is still 16"? The magpull trigger guard went away today as well for a reg GI. It'll go , little time to work with it? That's good. F marked is what you want. But as for the barrel lengths, 14.5 + extended A2 flash hider = 16.1" 16 + regular A2 flash hider= 18" That thing needs a 14.5 lol |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2015 1:57:16 PM EDT
[#6]
14.5 it will, but not till the stamp comes back. :)
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Posted: 9/25/2015 2:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Way too long. (Looks 16) also, hopefully he didn't put an A2 FSB on it like he said he did, because he might have a hard time zeroing his crone incrorrect irons. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By AmericanCheese:
Originally Posted By tetonrvr:
WIP Put on A2 FSB, Grip ect Found a brand new in wrapper KAC RIS and handle. Locally, Next to go is the eotec and magpul buis Will prob go with reg Aimpoint and matec Will repaint all at once some time soon< I hope haha http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/bigskytrapper/IMG_0106_zpss6hisgfs.jpg Rear sight ....what barrel length is that?
Way too long. (Looks 16) also, hopefully he didn't put an A2 FSB on it like he said he did, because he might have a hard time zeroing his crone incrorrect irons. I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but I think I may have to disagree. That M4gery I have doesn't have an F marked FSB and it zero's just fine. Sometimes you need a longer front sight post, but it's not by much. And mine is fine with a normal one. I zero at 50. |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 2:27:11 PM EDT
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I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper.
I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more:  2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr 2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 2:34:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper. I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/yMTmVD" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/21522679999_35a8e10d08_c.jpg</a>2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/ycFNo1" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21135663420_d3dd935550_c.jpg</a>2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 3:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman: I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper. I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/yMTmVD" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/21522679999_35a8e10d08_c.jpg</a>2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/ycFNo1" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21135663420_d3dd935550_c.jpg</a>2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 4:00:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
Didn't the TA01 predate TA31? I thought 01 was B1 and 31 was more B2? I know both models are made in ECOS variations which would work for B2. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper. I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/yMTmVD" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/21522679999_35a8e10d08_c.jpg</a>2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/ycFNo1" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21135663420_d3dd935550_c.jpg</a>2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. Yeah I think it did. IIRC the 31 came out very shortly after the 01. And yes you do. Learn from my expensive mistake. You DEFINITELY want a TA31, and not the NSN. I just couldn't make myself like the non illuminated crosshairs. Without the fiber optic chevron, the ACOG isn't really even an ACOG if you know what I mean. I'd still kill to have a TA31F or either RCO. Maybe someday |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 10:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Yeah I think it did. IIRC the 31 came out very shortly after the 01. And yes you do. Learn from my expensive mistake. You DEFINITELY want a TA31, and not the NSN. I just couldn't make myself like the non illuminated crosshairs. Without the fiber optic chevron, the ACOG isn't really even an ACOG if you know what I mean. I'd still kill to have a TA31F or either RCO. Maybe someday Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper. I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/yMTmVD" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/21522679999_35a8e10d08_c.jpg</a>2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/ycFNo1" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21135663420_d3dd935550_c.jpg</a>2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. Yeah I think it did. IIRC the 31 came out very shortly after the 01. And yes you do. Learn from my expensive mistake. You DEFINITELY want a TA31, and not the NSN. I just couldn't make myself like the non illuminated crosshairs. Without the fiber optic chevron, the ACOG isn't really even an ACOG if you know what I mean. I'd still kill to have a TA31F or either RCO. Maybe someday Haters! 
I prefer the more precise reticle of the TA01nsn over the TA31 series . 
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Posted: 9/25/2015 10:24:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fastfoot: Haters! I prefer the more precise reticle of the TA01nsn over the TA31 series . http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/fastfoot62/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150530_016.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fastfoot: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman: I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper. I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/yMTmVD" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/21522679999_35a8e10d08_c.jpg</a>2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/ycFNo1" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21135663420_d3dd935550_c.jpg</a>2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. Yeah I think it did. IIRC the 31 came out very shortly after the 01. And yes you do. Learn from my expensive mistake. You DEFINITELY want a TA31, and not the NSN. I just couldn't make myself like the non illuminated crosshairs. Without the fiber optic chevron, the ACOG isn't really even an ACOG if you know what I mean. I'd still kill to have a TA31F or either RCO. Maybe someday Haters! I prefer the more precise reticle of the TA01nsn over the TA31 series . http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc394/fastfoot62/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150530_016.jpg  |
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Posted: 9/25/2015 10:38:51 PM EDT
[#14]
mmm...pumpkin spice lattes!!
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Posted: 9/26/2015 12:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanCheese:
mmm...pumpkin spice lattes!! WTF lol, did you happen to spike it with some booze? This ain't Facebook!
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Posted: 9/26/2015 1:09:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
Didn't the TA01 predate TA31? I thought 01 was B1 and 31 was more B2? I know both models are made in ECOS variations which would work for B2. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman:
I think I might put up a trade or sale ad for my B2 upper. I want an ACOG for my B1. Or maybe a 1-4x The B2 is really cool, but I don't have LAM or NVG so it's just front heavy for no reason. The B1 feels so much better transitioning from target to target and the barrel is accurate enough to deserve a magnified optic. I shot this with open sights at 50 yards while zeroing. First three shots were a little low, so I did two clicks up on the front sight post and fired three more: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/yMTmVD" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5797/21522679999_35a8e10d08_c.jpg</a>2015-09-25_02-24-21 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr <a href="https://flic.kr/p/ycFNo1" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/610/21135663420_d3dd935550_c.jpg</a>2015-09-11_11-21-44 by azoutdoorsman, on Flickr My vote would be put the ACOG on the block 2. If my ACOG was a TA31 instead of a TA01NSN, I'd still have the ACOG on my B2 right now. But B1 plus TA31 is the next best option. Either way, fuck 01, I want fiber optic in an ACOG. CD has a pic of him with a TA01 and now I forget what year, but I wanna say 96.... It's in the A2 forum under the early socom thread. I have no clue when the TA31's started being used. |
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Posted: 9/26/2015 1:49:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
CD has a pic of him with a TA01 and now I forget what year, but I wanna say 96.... It's in the A2 forum under the early socom thread. I have no clue when the TA31's started being used. The TA01NSN was in the original MNS for the SOPMOD Block I in '92 and the ORD in '93. So implementation would have been shortly after that. I think the Marines adoped the TA31RCO-A4 in ~2003, and the Army adopted their version around the same time. |
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Posted: 9/26/2015 9:57:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AmericanCheese]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
WTF lol, did you happen to spike it with some booze? This ain't Facebook! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By AmericanCheese:
mmm...pumpkin spice lattes!! WTF lol, did you happen to spike it with some booze? This ain't Facebook! Who spiked the punch!!! Waiting on Adco to pin my BCM SOCOM and I will be complete with 1.5/PR......almost sad it's all coming to an end. Mk12 next?
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:51:35 AM EDT
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I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw!
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:03:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al I've heard the same thing but, none of mine have had a problem ( yet ). However I do the B.A.D. matech upgrade w/t clamp and screw kit.....and a small drop of blue Loctite.
Having run M.I., YHM, Troy, KAC and even Magpul rear buis I still came back to the matech . Matter of fact........see sig line. 
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Posted: 9/26/2015 11:07:47 AM EDT
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Same...zero issues with Matech and it's not like breaking the bank either, as you can find them cheap new and used on EE. I like the simplicity of finding zero and making adjustments.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 1:45:09 PM EDT
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I've also never had a problem with mine.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 1:54:11 PM EDT
[#23]
My Matechs have B.A.D. upgrades. No problems.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 1:59:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
My Matechs have B.A.D. upgrades. No problems. You might consider some good upgrades....
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Posted: 9/26/2015 2:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
You might consider some good upgrades.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
My Matechs have B.A.D. upgrades. No problems. You might consider some good upgrades.... 
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Posted: 9/26/2015 2:09:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#26]
BADUM BOOM TING!!!!!!
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Posted: 9/26/2015 3:16:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nameless_Hobo]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. |
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Posted: 9/26/2015 5:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer."
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Posted: 9/26/2015 5:12:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DontBuryMe]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious:
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Posted: 9/26/2015 5:45:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious: What's funny is for Navy SOF, somebody told me they don't even have armorers, and if something is wrong they just send the weapon back to Crane.
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Posted: 9/26/2015 6:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious:
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Posted: 9/26/2015 6:45:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DontBuryMe]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
I didn't even recognize you with the avatar change. I like to mix it up every so often to mess with peoples' minds. 
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Posted: 9/26/2015 6:52:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Didn't even see his screen name. Who cares about Air Force acronyms anyway? (I had to google CATM) In that case, it's his own fault, he should know and be doing his on problem solving, already. 
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:06:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RifleManWI]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Didn't even see his screen name. Who cares about Air Force acronyms anyway? (I had to google CATM) In that case, it's his own fault, he should know and be doing his on problem solving, already. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Didn't even see his screen name. Who cares about Air Force acronyms anyway? (I had to google CATM) In that case, it's his own fault, he should know and be doing his on problem solving, already. I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other. 
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Posted: 9/27/2015 12:15:18 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
What's funny is for Navy SOF, somebody told me they don't even have armorers, and if something is wrong they just send the weapon back to Crane.
No idea if that's truth or not, but I found it quite funny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious: What's funny is for Navy SOF, somebody told me they don't even have armorers, and if something is wrong they just send the weapon back to Crane.
No idea if that's truth or not, but I found it quite funny. SEALs have Gunner Mates that are armorers attached to them. They go thru Crane also. CD |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 2:17:45 AM EDT
[#36]
Sorry guys. I feel like a dirty whore doing this but-
This may be a stretch, but I have a 14.5" BCM SOCOM barrel with a taper pinned chopped down gas block that I ran on my NON-FSP block II. And before I send it to ADCO to get a FSB installed and get a muzzle device pinned/welded, I figured I'd see if anybody has a 14.5" SOCOM barrel with FSB they want to trade for my SOCOM barrel with pinned low pro? I'd preferably like to get another SOCOM barrel in trade, but I might accept a government profile as well. If anybody is game please let me know! Already pinned/welded is OK as long as it's a clone correct muzzle device. |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 3:15:49 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 4:33:59 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. They do. Just not in the Army. The Marines get issued KAC rears. |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 6:09:04 AM EDT
[#39]
I've got a brand new CQD front and a like new M4 RAS with three 11 ribs that I'm not using. I'll be putting them on the EE on Monday but I figured I'd give the cloners first dibs. Email, don't IM, if you're interested.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 7:09:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RifleManWI]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 9:58:52 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 2:50:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 10:28:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vuong0916]
[#43]
So I was going to take off my magpul trigger guard to put in a Usgi trigger guard for my block 1 build but I stripped the hex screw.. Guys I need your help! Any idea on how I can take the screw out? I tried using jb weld Kwik weld but did not work
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Posted: 9/27/2015 10:41:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vuong0916:
So I was going to take off my magpul trigger guard to put in a Usgi trigger guard for my block 1 build but I stripped the hex screw.. Guys I need your help! Any idea on how I can take the screw out? I tried using jb weld Kwik weld but did not work You tried using jb weld to get a screw out?
Does this screw stick out further than the hole itself that it goes in? If so, I'd use a dremel to grind a little flat-head notch in the head and unscrew it with a small flat head screwdriver |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 10:55:24 PM EDT
[#45]
i put some jb weld in the hole and put my hex screw in there and let it cure to try to turn it but no good. The screw is sitting flush no way to dremel it
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:05:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
What's funny is for Navy SOF, somebody told me they don't even have armorers, and if something is wrong they just send the weapon back to Crane.
No idea if that's truth or not, but I found it quite funny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By CATM-Al:
I understand wanting "Clone Correct" but the Matech BUIS is a pile of shit all the way around. We have broken so many and they are constantly coming loose. I wish Locktite was an option but not on .MIL assets. I don't even want to get started on the weak clamp screw! S/F Al Give purple loctite a try, it's basically "mildly more than hand tight," and if you don't apply it like a monkey, (Which is to say, just a small drop. Pouring more than necessary won't get you anywhere.) the armorer shouldn't notice until well after you PCS, if ever. Also, don't crank the screws down (It says this in the instructions for the sight, hand tight and then a quarter turn, IIRC) and don't fidget with it by popping the lollypop up and down. At home, you can fix the wear which causes the stick to stay up with a punch, but obviously the military won't be happy about that. It's definitely meant to be a purely dedicated "back up sight," either left up or left down, and not opened often due to the relatively short service life of the tab that holds it closed. It's also unfortunately heavy, large and complicated for something clearly designed to only be employed in emergencies. A bizarre design if ever there was one. Judging by the screen name (CATM), I'm guessing he is "the armorer." Yeah, but Air Force... so that's like... ya know. In case anyone thinks I'm being serious: What's funny is for Navy SOF, somebody told me they don't even have armorers, and if something is wrong they just send the weapon back to Crane.
No idea if that's truth or not, but I found it quite funny. Yeah, whoever told you that is definitely wrong. |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:09:31 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vuong0916:
i put some jb weld in the hole and put my hex screw in there and let it cure to try to turn it but no good. The screw is sitting flush no way to dremel it I'm not sure if it'll fit but something like the easy out may be worth a try. They're made for this sort of thing. I have no idea if it's small enough for thus application though. |
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:27:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
They do. Just not in the Army. The Marines get issued KAC rears. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. They do. Just not in the Army. The Marines get issued KAC rears. The Matech sight is terrible. Lots of glare, oddly-sized peephole, breaks easily. Only reason I have one is because I didn't know better at the time, don't use it (BUIS), it was "clone correct," and it's not quite as ugly as the Magpul MBUS. 
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:48:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nameless_Hobo]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
I probably replaced 75 or so out of a battalions worth of weapons the 6 years I was in the army as a 45B/91F for the same reason. The newer ones seemed to lock down better. The few I have on my rifles currently have no issues, however they are not being constantly tossed in a conex on top of each other.
You'd think the military would have started issuing KAC rears, since they're in the system already, and significantly better in every way than the Matech. My personally owned one still stays down fine, but that's only because I've only popped it up like 3 times. I had a few where they were bored waiting at a range, so they would keep flipping it up over and over. Ide tell them they were going to wear it out, but they didn't believe me. 2 weeks later they bring the rifle in looking for a new buis. Not as bad as the LT who I replaced his lanyard loop 4 times on his M9 because he liked playing whack a mole with stuff on his desk. LTs...
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
They do. Just not in the Army. The Marines get issued KAC rears. I meant "the military as a whole," you know, how everyone else read it. I know the Marines give out KACs, and the other branches issue them out occasionally, hence why I said "since they're in the system." But, my point is, the M4 should come from the factory with a KAC or equivalent rear for everyone. Hell, even something like the MBUS would be cheaper and give most of the same functionality, while probably having a longer service life.
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Posted: 9/27/2015 11:50:11 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vuong0916:
i put some jb weld in the hole and put my hex screw in there and let it cure to try to turn it but no good. The screw is sitting flush no way to dremel it Can you post a picture? If you've completely wallowed out the screw, or filled it completely with jb weld, you will probably wind up having to destroy the trigger guard to remove it. |
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