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Colt M4A1 lowers regularly sell for around $650. Specialized Armament sometimes has stripped lowers for $399. Gotta pay to play.
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I've read the SOCOM is discontinued as well but I don't have confirmation.
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Got my t1/lt660 and kac rear sight for my fsp build this week.
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Yes. However, a more normal price for the SOCOM is around $1,200-1,400 so you figure ½ for the upper, ½ for the lower. The cheapest way to get a straight M4A1 clone was to go the SOCOM route; now that they come with Troy rails, not so much. To get to a BII you'd have to bob the barrel, shave the FSB or get a low profile gas block and get the DD rail. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
Originally Posted By Roadblock:
What is the cheapest option to get a COLT lower that has the M4-A1 markings? I know they come on SOCOM rifles. I want to swap out my Noveske rifle for a COLT with M4-A1 markings at some point to get my BLOCK II closer to a real clone. I figured I would buy a COLT M4-A1, put whatever rail it comes with on my Noveske and sell it to cover most of the COLT cost. I would be open to an stripped lower too. They were blowing out Socom colts for around $899 a few months ago. People on the EE are still selling the lowers for $750 Wait what? They were selling complete rifles for $899.00 but now people in the EE are asking $750.00 for JUST the complete lower? Yes. However, a more normal price for the SOCOM is around $1,200-1,400 so you figure ½ for the upper, ½ for the lower. The cheapest way to get a straight M4A1 clone was to go the SOCOM route; now that they come with Troy rails, not so much. To get to a BII you'd have to bob the barrel, shave the FSB or get a low profile gas block and get the DD rail. Or buy a SOCOM II and a can of Krylon. |
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Just a heads up to the cloners, my tan su231 marked 553 is in the EE.
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King of the Muskets
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Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
<a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/907BCE69-A89B-4F60-949D-ED3FD43584EA_zpsqlihrro3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/907BCE69-A89B-4F60-949D-ED3FD43584EA_zpsqlihrro3.jpg</a> View Quote Good call getting the rail and WMX first. It's all gravy train from there for the most part |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Good call getting the rail and WMX first. It's all gravy train from there for the most part View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
<a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/907BCE69-A89B-4F60-949D-ED3FD43584EA_zpsqlihrro3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/907BCE69-A89B-4F60-949D-ED3FD43584EA_zpsqlihrro3.jpg</a> Good call getting the rail and WMX first. It's all gravy train from there for the most part My barrel and upper will be here next week. Just need a gas block and tube then I'm good. And taupe buis |
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Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
My barrel and upper will be here next week. Just need a gas block and tube then I'm good. And taupe buis View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
<a href="http://s748.photobucket.com/user/ragincajun1919/media/907BCE69-A89B-4F60-949D-ED3FD43584EA_zpsqlihrro3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/ragincajun1919/907BCE69-A89B-4F60-949D-ED3FD43584EA_zpsqlihrro3.jpg</a> Good call getting the rail and WMX first. It's all gravy train from there for the most part My barrel and upper will be here next week. Just need a gas block and tube then I'm good. And taupe buis http://tradingplacepawn.com/knights-armament-front-flip-sight-taupe.html |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
If it aint a clone or the gun being cloned, it aint shit. |
My taupe buis and micro 200-600 should arrive on Monday from trading place pawn. Can't wait!
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Question for the experienced bunch:
If I have a perm attached Saker Trifecta FH on a 14.5 barrel that already has the barrel nut on it and the gas block, can I simply install the barrel into the upper, torque the barrel nut down, and slide the RIS II over it? In other words, will a RIS II rail slide over a Saker Trifecta FH, or is the FH too wide? I read the Specwar Trifecta is 1.11" at its widest point, and the Saker Trifecta looks narrower..... |
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Originally Posted By 94ranger:
Question for the experienced bunch: If I have a perm attached Saker Trifecta FH on a 14.5 barrel that already has the barrel nut on it and the gas block, can I simply install the barrel into the upper, torque the barrel nut down, and slide the RIS II over it? In other words, will a RIS II rail slide over a Saker Trifecta FH, or is the FH too wide? I read the Specwar Trifecta is 1.11" at its widest point, and the Saker Trifecta looks narrower..... View Quote A RIS II will slide over most flash hiders just fine, but are you saying that the barrel nut and DD's RIS II screw bracket is already installed? If that's the case then it will obviously fit over the flash hider since someone clearly took one off over it. |
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Any good prices on EOTECH G33's in TAN? I need a second one! :)
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
A RIS II will slide over most flash hiders just fine, but are you saying that the barrel nut and DD's RIS II screw bracket is already installed? If that's the case then it will obviously fit over the flash hider since someone clearly took one off over it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By 94ranger:
Question for the experienced bunch: If I have a perm attached Saker Trifecta FH on a 14.5 barrel that already has the barrel nut on it and the gas block, can I simply install the barrel into the upper, torque the barrel nut down, and slide the RIS II over it? In other words, will a RIS II rail slide over a Saker Trifecta FH, or is the FH too wide? I read the Specwar Trifecta is 1.11" at its widest point, and the Saker Trifecta looks narrower..... A RIS II will slide over most flash hiders just fine, but are you saying that the barrel nut and DD's RIS II screw bracket is already installed? If that's the case then it will obviously fit over the flash hider since someone clearly took one off over it. Thanks for the info. I should have clarified. I'm sending a SOCOM 14.5 barrel of to get pinned. The barrel nut and shaved gas block will be installed before the FL is pinned. The idea is to simply torque it onto the upper when I get it back, bolt up the rail, and go. I assume the rail will still slide over the FH and bolt up normally? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By 94ranger:
Thanks for the info. I should have clarified. I'm sending a SOCOM 14.5 barrel of to get pinned. The barrel nut and shaved gas block will be installed before the FL is pinned. The idea is to simply torque it onto the upper when I get it back, bolt up the rail, and go. I assume the rail will still slide over the FH and bolt up normally? Thanks! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 94ranger:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By 94ranger:
Question for the experienced bunch: If I have a perm attached Saker Trifecta FH on a 14.5 barrel that already has the barrel nut on it and the gas block, can I simply install the barrel into the upper, torque the barrel nut down, and slide the RIS II over it? In other words, will a RIS II rail slide over a Saker Trifecta FH, or is the FH too wide? I read the Specwar Trifecta is 1.11" at its widest point, and the Saker Trifecta looks narrower..... A RIS II will slide over most flash hiders just fine, but are you saying that the barrel nut and DD's RIS II screw bracket is already installed? If that's the case then it will obviously fit over the flash hider since someone clearly took one off over it. Thanks for the info. I should have clarified. I'm sending a SOCOM 14.5 barrel of to get pinned. The barrel nut and shaved gas block will be installed before the FL is pinned. The idea is to simply torque it onto the upper when I get it back, bolt up the rail, and go. I assume the rail will still slide over the FH and bolt up normally? Thanks! Not sure about your exact FH but my RIS II slides around my 249F just fine. |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
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Good to know. Does the 249F ring when fired? I'm looking at that one and the Saker Trifecta FH.
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Why not the SF3P?
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"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain
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I might go w/ a Saker suppressor. Not sure yet.
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Originally Posted By 94ranger:
Good to know. Does the 249F ring when fired? I'm looking at that one and the Saker Trifecta FH. View Quote Yes it does. I actually just got back from firing mine. With earplugs I heard a little bit of ring, if I hadn't forgotten my electronic ear pro I prob would've heard more ring |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
If it aint a clone or the gun being cloned, it aint shit. |
I can not find any stripped or complete COLT SOCOM M4-A1 lowers anywhere. Everyone's out of stock!
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I just realized how far back your 99051 is....why? Your rail should even say "front sight here" in the last cutout View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By Jellis71985:
I hate seeing this thread fall to page 3. Do you guys prefer vert grip, afg, or slick rail on your b2s? Obviously pic examples would be best lol KAC panels, taupe of course. <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/akratz/media/ARFCOM/20141106_172741_RichtoneHDR_zpsxbnbeuuu.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/akratz/ARFCOM/20141106_172741_RichtoneHDR_zpsxbnbeuuu.jpg</a> I just realized how far back your 99051 is....why? Your rail should even say "front sight here" in the last cutout I had the DBAL previously up front, playing around with grip position vs placement of peripherals. |
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My AAC flash hider has never pinged.
20140922_165817_1 by tb5252, on Flickr I just put this 249f on here and I really hope its not too bad, just letting the bolt close makes it ping. 20150328_194814_1 by tb5252, on Flickr |
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Anyone seen or heard of a Trijicon tr24 on block 2 in the wild? Just curious.
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"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." Gen Curtis LeMay
"Someday this war's gonna end..." LTC William Kilgore |
Several places sell them but no ones got any stock right now. Tried SA, RatWorks, the person who isn't supposed to be named etc. No one has them except one on GB and they want too much.
I would like to get a complete lower, ready to drop an upper I think. I can just afford that but unfortunately not a whole SOCOM right now. |
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"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." Gen Curtis LeMay
"Someday this war's gonna end..." LTC William Kilgore |
I recall having seen a few of them used on both Block IIs and CQBRs, I do not think they were ever issued but were either personal or unit purchases. The older TR21 was issued for use on EOD CQBRs.
Of the variable magnification choices out there if you cant afford a Nightforce or a Leupold Mk8 I think the Trijicon would be the most "legit" simply because of the widespread use of their products by the US military. Originally Posted By Spectre186:
Anyone seen or heard of a Trijicon tr24 on block 2 in the wild? Just curious. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TannerB:
My AAC flash hider has never pinged. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pmiZFL" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3915/15326046542_24e6c686b9_z.jpg</a>20140922_165817_1 by tb5252, on Flickr I just put this 249f on here and I really hope its not too bad, just letting the bolt close makes it ping. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/rz2z5g" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8686/16782669939_7059e9c461_z.jpg</a>20150328_194814_1 by tb5252, on Flickr View Quote My unmounted 249F pings pretty easily just handling it and I've heard it rings pretty good while firing. But I did see some guy use some engine safety wire around the groove in the tip. I seem to recall that it reduced the ringing a good bit. |
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Originally Posted By minion42:
My unmounted 249F pings pretty easily just handling it and I've heard it rings pretty good while firing. But I did see some guy use some engine safety wire around the groove in the tip. I seem to recall that it reduced the ringing a good bit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By minion42:
Originally Posted By TannerB:
My AAC flash hider has never pinged. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pmiZFL" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3915/15326046542_24e6c686b9_z.jpg</a>20140922_165817_1 by tb5252, on Flickr I just put this 249f on here and I really hope its not too bad, just letting the bolt close makes it ping. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/rz2z5g" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8686/16782669939_7059e9c461_z.jpg</a>20150328_194814_1 by tb5252, on Flickr My unmounted 249F pings pretty easily just handling it and I've heard it rings pretty good while firing. But I did see some guy use some engine safety wire around the groove in the tip. I seem to recall that it reduced the ringing a good bit. Charging the weapon makes it ping pretty good. I put a thick coat of CLP on mine and it dampened the ping a little bit lol |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
If it aint a clone or the gun being cloned, it aint shit. |
Damn you people... I just paid $725.00 dollars shipped for a complete COLT M4-A1 marked lower off GB. Sigh... I tried searching for them 10 different ways on GB and it was the ONLY "just lower" I saw listed. Was $679.99 if I wanted to bid but I didn't want to risk loosing it over $20.00 dollars. The shipping was $25.00 so $725.00 shipped.
This is like my fucking Unicorn. I have ALWAYS wanted one. More so than even the ELCAN. I guess it wasn't TOO bad though. I just sold my Noveske complete lower build with ALL Daniel Defense parts to a Michigan State Cop for $400 bucks. That will help "pad" the blow to my wallet. Side note as mentioned above I emailed Ratworkz, SA, Fidelfirearms, G&theplacetonotbementioned, and one other place listing them I'd not heard of. Anyway all of them have emailed me back now saying COLT has discontinued AR's with M4-A1 markings. Both SOCOM and SOCOM II and that they will not longer have them unless something changes in the future. Gunbroker was the suggestion so I hopped on the only one I saw listed that wasn't a complete rifle. |
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Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Several places sell them but no ones got any stock right now. Seems so. here is your lower ETA: You were posting as I was typing. |
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Originally Posted By coctailer:
Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Several places sell them but no ones got any stock right now. Seems so. here is your lower Are you trying to get him to buy another one? You guys are bad influences. |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
If it aint a clone or the gun being cloned, it aint shit. |
Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama
OR, USA
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Originally Posted By TannerB:
My AAC flash hider has never pinged. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pmiZFL" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3915/15326046542_24e6c686b9_z.jpg</a>20140922_165817_1 by tb5252, on Flickr I just put this 249f on here and I really hope its not too bad, just letting the bolt close makes it ping. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/rz2z5g" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8686/16782669939_7059e9c461_z.jpg</a>20150328_194814_1 by tb5252, on Flickr View Quote Duuuude. Could you please tell me what colors and paints you used on that Shorty? Thanks |
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Anybody know where to locate an M4A1 RIS II FDE? HCS is out. I found one listing on gunbroker for over $500. Haven't seen any new ads on the EE for one.
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Originally Posted By bc_tripp: Anybody know where to locate an M4A1 RIS II FDE? HCS is out. I found one listing on gunbroker for over $500. Haven't seen any new ads on the EE for one. View Quote Unfortunately you are going to pay almost as much for the rail as a whole upper. I just scored two of them from a LGS for like um, $330 each?, LGS said he had them on the shelf for years and no one ever bought any of them so he gave me a GOOD deal. Anyway I had someone here on ARF message me asking if I would sell one even after posting what I had paid. I was concidering it so I asked what he would give me. He said $500.00 dollars. I ended up keeping it because I had sold my first one and it took me almost a year to find another one and I only just recently stumbled upon them. I've seen complete COLT uppers with RIS II's selling for $625~675.00 over the past couple weeks. I had someone offer me one for $700.00 a few months ago and I should have taken it when they offered it but at the time all I wanted was the rail. My suggestion buy the next full upper you see and part it out. |
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Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Unfortunately you are going to pay almost as much for the rail as a whole upper. I just scored two of them from a LGS for like um, $330 each?, LGS said he had them on the shelf for years and no one ever bought any of them so he gave me a GOOD deal. Anyway I had someone here on ARF message me asking if I would sell one even after posting what I had paid. I was concidering it so I asked what he would give me. He said $500.00 dollars. I ended up keeping it because I had sold my first one and it took me almost a year to find another one and I only just recently stumbled upon them. I've seen complete COLT uppers with RIS II's selling for $625~675.00 over the past couple weeks. I had someone offer me one for $700.00 a few months ago and I should have taken it when they offered it but at the time all I wanted was the rail. My suggestion buy the next full upper you see and part it out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Roadblock:
Originally Posted By bc_tripp:
Anybody know where to locate an M4A1 RIS II FDE? HCS is out. I found one listing on gunbroker for over $500. Haven't seen any new ads on the EE for one. Unfortunately you are going to pay almost as much for the rail as a whole upper. I just scored two of them from a LGS for like um, $330 each?, LGS said he had them on the shelf for years and no one ever bought any of them so he gave me a GOOD deal. Anyway I had someone here on ARF message me asking if I would sell one even after posting what I had paid. I was concidering it so I asked what he would give me. He said $500.00 dollars. I ended up keeping it because I had sold my first one and it took me almost a year to find another one and I only just recently stumbled upon them. I've seen complete COLT uppers with RIS II's selling for $625~675.00 over the past couple weeks. I had someone offer me one for $700.00 a few months ago and I should have taken it when they offered it but at the time all I wanted was the rail. My suggestion buy the next full upper you see and part it out. That's about the only way now. Like he said, they do show up on the EE, but for a LOT. I was lucky to get mine from HCS for $399 shipped. |
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View Quote Hmmm yeah I did not see that but um, did you actually read the ad? The pin holes are out of spec. Cosmetic blemishes do not bother me and I know you can get over sized pins, pins with screw heads etc but for the extra cost I think this was a better route to go. Really like the idea of a "full" COLT lower anyway. I'm torn actually. My favorite grip is the BCM MOD1 and I love the MAGPUL trigger guards but I almost want to keep it full COLT other than I'll probably sell the factory COLT LE stock and toss on an LMT or B5 SOPMOD. Question! Do I want the LE6920 original box? The seller just emailed me and said if I want the orignal box, he should still have one of them but it will have to ship FEDEX instead of USPS so it will take a couple days longer. Do I care about the box? Is there anything special about it? I thought COLT's just came in blue cardboard boxes? These do not come in a case or anything special do they? BTW I bought this complete lower from the same guy selling that blemished one you posted. |
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If it doesn't cost extra, I'd get the box.
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Originally Posted By minion42: That's about the only way now. Like he said, they do show up on the EE, but for a LOT. I was lucky to get mine from HCS for $399 shipped. View Quote Pretty much. Unfortunately I don't know if I would expect to see anymore M4-A1 RIS II, M4-A1 FSP RIS II or MK18's anytime soon. Everyone keeps mentioning this DD Govt. contract but DD is clearly cashing in on the popularity of these builds because there is no shortage of "complete" M4-A1's and RIS II's if you want a factory DD rifle. Also DD has disconnected selling a LOT of their build/replacement parts. They sold stripped lowers for $100 a pop a few years back but then discontinued that because people were buying the parts and building complete DD rifles and then posting in the DD industry section that "why buy a built rifle when you can do it yourself for a lot less out of all DD parts". They disconnected the stripped lowers and they went from $100.00 a pop to over $300.00 dollars. Now the DD RIS II / MK18 rails are gone but as I mentioned above, no issues getting factory built rifles. My LGS has everyone variant of the MK18 and M4-A1 in-stock right now. When I was building my newest upper a couple weeks ago I decided to do a complete DD build. I bought a DD barrel, DD BCG and guess what I could not find? The DD stripped upper. I contacted them and was told they have disconnected them to concentrate on complete builds. Other parts are now missing from their online dealer site too. Just saying! |
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Originally Posted By TannerB:
My AAC flash hider has never pinged. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pmiZFL" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3915/15326046542_24e6c686b9_z.jpg</a>20140922_165817_1 by tb5252, on Flickr I just put this 249f on here and I really hope its not too bad, just letting the bolt close makes it ping. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/rz2z5g" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8686/16782669939_7059e9c461_z.jpg</a>20150328_194814_1 by tb5252, on Flickr View Quote My AAC would ring just dropping the bolt |
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Makes me glad I jumped on the RIS II FDE when I did.
Like new on the EE for $265 shipped, *right* before any mention of DD gov contracts. |
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Put my new block II upper on the EE, figured guys in here might be interested.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_22/1420111_WTS__BCM_DD_M4a1_Sopmod_Block_II_upper.html Includes brand new RIS II |
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I've considered buying a complete upper mostly for the rail. I'm not a huge fan of the markings on the upper receiver opposite the ejection port, though. I've got a SOCOM profile barrel in the mail. I'd like to stay pretty close to clone correct. But it seems like a shame to buy an upper just to part it out. But that might be the easiest way.
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Originally Posted By ankratz:
Duuuude. Could you please tell me what colors and paints you used on that Shorty? Thanks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ankratz:
Originally Posted By TannerB:
My AAC flash hider has never pinged. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/pmiZFL" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3915/15326046542_24e6c686b9_z.jpg</a>20140922_165817_1 by tb5252, on Flickr I just put this 249f on here and I really hope its not too bad, just letting the bolt close makes it ping. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/rz2z5g" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8686/16782669939_7059e9c461_z.jpg</a>20150328_194814_1 by tb5252, on Flickr Duuuude. Could you please tell me what colors and paints you used on that Shorty? Thanks I used your color. Averoe field drab, the stripes are highlander with field drab dusted over it. Every time i searched for field drab your pictures came up and i studied them intensely lol. |
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