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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:05:27 AM EDT
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I so love those ACE stocks. Is there any disadvantage besides the price? Charging handle clearance, odd cheek weld, etc..
How do they effect the balance on a Mod H? It's funny, I always figured a stock like that was kind of fugo but it just looks so good on a Holland. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:11:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori: I so love those ACE stocks. Is there any disadvantage besides the price? Charging handle clearance, odd cheek weld, etc.. How do they effect the balance on a Mod H? It's funny, I always figured a stock like that was kind of fugo but it just looks so good on a Holland. adjuster catch wears out the ledge. fix: make stock fixed. no more issues. its lovely to shoot prone with and is light. def lighter than a sopmod id say. u got page ownage....but heres another:  |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:38:55 AM EDT
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The carbine doesn't work for me. My cheek is right on the metal and it blows for any kind of magifted shooting, at least with my posture. But the rifle is freakin tits. The buffer+Lantac ebcg make this thing shoot so damn soft. And fully collapsed it's a hair shorter than I used to run the acs I had on here.
The carbine has been removed, and if it doesn't pan out with my 14.5 socom mre with my m68, it's gonna get the boot. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:33:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outlaw7: The carbine doesn't work for me. My cheek is right on the metal and it blows for any kind of magifted shooting, at least with my posture. But the rifle is freakin tits. The buffer+Lantac ebcg make this thing shoot so damn soft. And fully collapsed it's a hair shorter than I used to run the acs I had on here. The carbine has been removed, and if it doesn't pan out with my 14.5 socom mre with my m68, it's gonna get the boot. thats why the recce rail rocks. i can put the optic where ever i want. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 10:55:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Flyit14]
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Finally got my stainless barrel finished black and mounted the modified collar from Ron Allen. Now just need to add the A1 lower and it'll be "done"
Also shot it with the can finally 
As a side note would I get a longer LOP with a sopmod stock? I know the A1 is "correct" but the sopmod is also correct ish I believe. The A1 just doesn't give the right eye relief especially when prone. Thoughts? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:15:56 AM EDT
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Is it the barrels or collars that are not machined properly on all the rifles that are having issues with the can screwing down?
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:26:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Is it the barrels or collars that are not machined properly on all the rifles that are having issues with the can screwing down? Barrel issue. You have 1 guy making collars, and 20 companies making barrels. Who's going to be the one to get it right? Ron's biggest issue are barrel manufacturers. My SIG M4 barrel wasn't M4 spec as it was supposed to be for the M4 AEM5 collar. So Ron made me one for that specific barrel. My WOA barrel was a little short OAL (17.75") and equally short for the collar step (2.2"). Even still, I was able to get 3 turns on my can, which is ok. My Kreiger from CLE is a tad short OAL (17.8") but the OPS INC profile is spot on (2.4"). |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:32:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Barrel issue. You have 1 guy making collars, and 20 companies making barrels. Who's going to be the one to get it right? Ron's biggest issue are barrel manufacturers. My SIG M4 barrel wasn't M4 spec as it was supposed to be for the M4 AEM5 collar. So Ron made me one for that specific barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Is it the barrels or collars that are not machined properly on all the rifles that are having issues with the can screwing down? Barrel issue. You have 1 guy making collars, and 20 companies making barrels. Who's going to be the one to get it right? Ron's biggest issue are barrel manufacturers. My SIG M4 barrel wasn't M4 spec as it was supposed to be for the M4 AEM5 collar. So Ron made me one for that specific barrel. How much does he charge for collars to be whipped up like that? I'm going to pick up a Larue Stealth Barrel, and I'll need to send it off to have the .700x.700 step on it for that M4 AEM5 collar. Was going to send it to ADCO and just do the step since it was cheaper than the SPR Profile and I am not going for a clone, but would I be better off to send the barrel to AE? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:35:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ: How much does he charge for collars to be whipped up like that? I'm going to pick up a Larue Stealth Barrel, and I'll need to send it off to have the .700x.700 step on it for that M4 AEM5 collar. Was going to send it to ADCO and just do the step since it was cheaper than the SPR Profile and I am not going for a clone, but would I be better off to send the barrel to AE? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Is it the barrels or collars that are not machined properly on all the rifles that are having issues with the can screwing down? Barrel issue. You have 1 guy making collars, and 20 companies making barrels. Who's going to be the one to get it right? Ron's biggest issue are barrel manufacturers. My SIG M4 barrel wasn't M4 spec as it was supposed to be for the M4 AEM5 collar. So Ron made me one for that specific barrel. How much does he charge for collars to be whipped up like that? I'm going to pick up a Larue Stealth Barrel, and I'll need to send it off to have the .700x.700 step on it for that M4 AEM5 collar. Was going to send it to ADCO and just do the step since it was cheaper than the SPR Profile and I am not going for a clone, but would I be better off to send the barrel to AE? He did mine at no charge because I bought an M4 AEM5 collar...and it didn't fit. He said he didn't want me to have to buy another. You don't need to have your barrel profiled. He should be able to make a collar that fits over the threads and stops at the shoulder of the threads and the rest of the barrel...whatever it's called (where your crush washer sits). |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:39:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
He did mine at no charge because I bought an M4 AEM5 collar...and it didn't fit. He said he didn't want me to have to buy another. You don't need to have your barrel profiled. He should be able to make a collar that fits over the threads and stops at the shoulder of the threads and the rest of the barrel...whatever it's called (where your crush washer sits). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By MrFrZZ:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Is it the barrels or collars that are not machined properly on all the rifles that are having issues with the can screwing down? Barrel issue. You have 1 guy making collars, and 20 companies making barrels. Who's going to be the one to get it right? Ron's biggest issue are barrel manufacturers. My SIG M4 barrel wasn't M4 spec as it was supposed to be for the M4 AEM5 collar. So Ron made me one for that specific barrel. How much does he charge for collars to be whipped up like that? I'm going to pick up a Larue Stealth Barrel, and I'll need to send it off to have the .700x.700 step on it for that M4 AEM5 collar. Was going to send it to ADCO and just do the step since it was cheaper than the SPR Profile and I am not going for a clone, but would I be better off to send the barrel to AE? He did mine at no charge because I bought an M4 AEM5 collar...and it didn't fit. He said he didn't want me to have to buy another. You don't need to have your barrel profiled. He should be able to make a collar that fits over the threads and stops at the shoulder of the threads and the rest of the barrel...whatever it's called (where your crush washer sits). That'd be one hell of a collar if it just seated on that shoulder. Will give them a yell and see what they'd suggest. What's their lead time like? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:42:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ: That'd be one hell of a collar if it just seated on that shoulder. Will give them a yell and see what they'd suggest. What's their lead time like? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrFrZZ: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By MrFrZZ: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Barrel issue. You have 1 guy making collars, and 20 companies making barrels. Who's going to be the one to get it right? Ron's biggest issue are barrel manufacturers. My SIG M4 barrel wasn't M4 spec as it was supposed to be for the M4 AEM5 collar. So Ron made me one for that specific barrel. How much does he charge for collars to be whipped up like that? I'm going to pick up a Larue Stealth Barrel, and I'll need to send it off to have the .700x.700 step on it for that M4 AEM5 collar. Was going to send it to ADCO and just do the step since it was cheaper than the SPR Profile and I am not going for a clone, but would I be better off to send the barrel to AE? He did mine at no charge because I bought an M4 AEM5 collar...and it didn't fit. He said he didn't want me to have to buy another. You don't need to have your barrel profiled. He should be able to make a collar that fits over the threads and stops at the shoulder of the threads and the rest of the barrel...whatever it's called (where your crush washer sits). That'd be one hell of a collar if it just seated on that shoulder. Will give them a yell and see what they'd suggest. What's their lead time like? I called him at the end of the day. He started it the next day and had it out the day after that. YMMV |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:51:50 AM EDT
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I know my BCM barrel will be ok because it was already on an mk12. My BA barrels we'll see. Adco has long collars back in stock as of 30-45 min ago.
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Posted: 8/24/2016 1:14:56 PM EDT
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I've had good luck with my 1 ballistic advantage barrel, its the government profile stainless model and a stock collar works fine with my AEM5
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:11:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flyit14:
Finally got my stainless barrel finished black and mounted the modified collar from Ron Allen. Now just need to add the A1 lower and it'll be "done" http://i.imgur.com/75QxsR0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/01dXvLI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pgwi1LJ.jpg Also shot it with the can finally http://i.imgur.com/ypW7aYY.jpg As a side note would I get a longer LOP with a sopmod stock? I know the A1 is "correct" but the sopmod is also correct ish I believe. The A1 just doesn't give the right eye relief especially when prone. Thoughts? From what I can tell, I've never measured it. I should go do that for you. Hang on. I was going to say from what I can tell is you'd gain a little. Maybe more like A2 length. But let me double check. Oh yes you will. I have an A1 and it's a shade over 9-3/4" from where the plastic starts on the top. And you'll get just under 11" with a SOPMOD and a milspec tube. My sopmod is a B5 though. So I'm not sure if there's much difference between an older sopmod. If they are the same you will actually get more with the regular sopmod because the B5 butt plate has an angle to it, where the LMT"s or real ones' look straight to me. So looks like you'll have more than A2 also, with the sopmod. Great build. Love the lever gun too. And a can on the Glock. You got it all goin on. 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:31:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
2.5-8x36 67925 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By Regulatori:
What is the last gen with the square button? I also remember seeing someone mention the earlier gen's had a "meat tenderizer"...I'm assuming it's referring to the stock's buttplate. Was that only on Gen 1s too? That part I don't know. I think 3-4 had the rippled butt plate. My gen 2 is straight. This is the only picture I have currently that kinda shows it. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/GwiT6X" target="_blank">https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7135/26597254413_b5332e61e1_o.jpg</a> This is better. https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/149/149181.jpg I'm not up on all the clone optics. Can I ask what scope that is? Looks great BTW. Those Hollands though.  67925 Leupold, right? And what does Haveblue83 have on his? Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 5:20:39 PM EDT
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meat tenderizer is on the bottom. where a rear bag would rest on.
mk4 3.5-10 mil dot non ill. at least one holland had this.  |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 5:45:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
meat tenderizer is on the bottom. where a rear bag would rest on. mk4 3.5-10 mil dot non ill. at least one holland had this. <a href="https://postimg.org/image/5e5nykgqd/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/gdqva675l/20160824_170432.jpg</a> So if the ace has a square release its gen 1? Correct? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 5:46:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samson-Dogg]
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double tap
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:09:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: double tap  image hosting 10mb limitexactly this. square release. smooth surface behind the butt pad. carbine length. no sling loops only threaded holes on the clamp on stle receiver end plate. no castle nut. gen 1. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:16:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samson-Dogg]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
<a href="https://postimg.org/image/skkcyp41h/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/oo712pj21/20160824_175531.jpg</a>image hosting 10mb limit exactly this. square release. smooth surface behind the butt pad. carbine length. no sling loops only threaded holes on the clamp on stle receiver end plate. no castle nut. gen 1. Awesome. Just snagged a gen 1 off gunbroker for 125.00. I can't believe no one bid it up. It looks just like yours there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
double tap <a href="https://postimg.org/image/skkcyp41h/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/oo712pj21/20160824_175531.jpg</a>image hosting 10mb limit exactly this. square release. smooth surface behind the butt pad. carbine length. no sling loops only threaded holes on the clamp on stle receiver end plate. no castle nut. gen 1. Awesome. Just snagged a gen 1 off gunbroker for 125.00. I can't believe no one bid it up. It looks just like yours there. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:45:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg: double tap <a href="https://postimg.org/image/skkcyp41h/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/oo712pj21/20160824_175531.jpg</a>image hosting 10mb limit exactly this. square release. smooth surface behind the butt pad. carbine length. no sling loops only threaded holes on the clamp on stle receiver end plate. no castle nut. gen 1. Awesome. Just snagged a gen 1 off gunbroker for 125.00. I can't believe no one bid it up. It looks just like yours there. GOOD snag. if that old bag mary sold it at DS me and the 501st are gonna thump her skull in. you have no idea how much we haggled mary at DS for some LOL. she ended up throwing a few Longs up on GB after we talked to her. you hear that nick???, you slippin son. LOL. i stopped looking. im at my clone limit and i gotta do a trick with a lathe on friday ;) |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:02:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Samson-Dogg]
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Best I can do. It's got a square button on the other side |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:12:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: http://<a href=http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag406/Kseevers1127/image_zpstskytiz1.png</a>" /> Best I can do. It's got a square button on the other side welcome to the "no, thats not a gen1, this is a gen1 socom" club. its a club of annoyance and repeated questions LOL. people know more about the mk12 than gen1-gen4 socoms lmfao |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
welcome to the "no, thats not a gen1, this is a gen1 socom" club. its a club of annoyance and repeated questions LOL. people know more about the mk12 than gen1-gen4 socoms lmfao Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
http://<a href=http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag406/Kseevers1127/image_zpstskytiz1.png</a>" /> Best I can do. It's got a square button on the other side welcome to the "no, thats not a gen1, this is a gen1 socom" club. its a club of annoyance and repeated questions LOL. people know more about the mk12 than gen1-gen4 socoms lmfao That's ok. I've asked many annoying questions. I have a screen shot of your socom stock generation break down stored on my phone for reference. When I get this one I'll post this one and my gen 2 side by side. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 7:28:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
i went OG on the "fresh mod H" look. i like it. <a href="https://postimg.org/image/5bbrsq2ct/" target="_blank">https://s14.postimg.org/q87zxe0dt/20160824_003749.jpg</a> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/o84jkqs11/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/7kd1i8x9l/image_zpsriynpgas.jpg</a> Approved As Fuck ™ |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 8:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Approved As Fuck ™ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
i went OG on the "fresh mod H" look. i like it. <a href="https://postimg.org/image/5bbrsq2ct/" target="_blank">https://s14.postimg.org/q87zxe0dt/20160824_003749.jpg</a> <a href="https://postimg.org/image/o84jkqs11/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/7kd1i8x9l/image_zpsriynpgas.jpg</a> Approved As Fuck ™ I like your "clone as fuck" phrase better |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 8:16:56 PM EDT
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Anyone tried the 73gr Bergers these rifles were supposed to use?
Found a decent deal on 'em vs 77gr SMK's and TMK's. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:09:56 PM EDT
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I'm currently working on a Mod H, but the last part left to order is the scope mount. I can't decide to go with the Larue LT104 or Recce rail and ARMS rings. Scope is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10. I like the look of the Recce rail but don't know if it's worth the added weight and price. Thoughts?
Pics will follow when complete, along with the Mod 1 I'm building. 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:21:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_MONEY: I'm currently working on a Mod H, but the last part left to order is the scope mount. I can't decide to go with the Larue LT104 or Recce rail and ARMS rings. Scope is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10. I like the look of the Recce rail but don't know if it's worth the added weight and price. Thoughts? Pics will follow when complete, along with the Mod 1 I'm building. Well since I used a '104 on mine, I'll say the PRI tube looks a bit lonely, if not naked, without a top rail. Sounds weird but it just looks right with a top rail. So that's how I'd go if I were to do it again, along with a set of #22M rings. YMMV. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg: double tap <a href="https://postimg.org/image/skkcyp41h/" target="_blank">https://s10.postimg.org/oo712pj21/20160824_175531.jpg</a>image hosting 10mb limit exactly this. square release. smooth surface behind the butt pad. carbine length. no sling loops only threaded holes on the clamp on stle receiver end plate. no castle nut. gen 1. Awesome. Just snagged a gen 1 off gunbroker for 125.00. I can't believe no one bid it up. It looks just like yours there. 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:40:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Well since I used a '104 on mine, I'll say the PRI tube looks a bit lonely, if not naked, without a top rail. Sounds weird but it just looks right with a top rail. So that's how I'd go if I were to do it again, along with a set of #22M rings. YMMV. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
I'm currently working on a Mod H, but the last part left to order is the scope mount. I can't decide to go with the Larue LT104 or Recce rail and ARMS rings. Scope is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10. I like the look of the Recce rail but don't know if it's worth the added weight and price. Thoughts? Pics will follow when complete, along with the Mod 1 I'm building. Well since I used a '104 on mine, I'll say the PRI tube looks a bit lonely, if not naked, without a top rail. Sounds weird but it just looks right with a top rail. So that's how I'd go if I were to do it again, along with a set of #22M rings. YMMV. That was my thought as well. Decision has been made 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 10:37:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_MONEY: That was my thought as well. Decision has been made Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_MONEY: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By J_MONEY: I'm currently working on a Mod H, but the last part left to order is the scope mount. I can't decide to go with the Larue LT104 or Recce rail and ARMS rings. Scope is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10. I like the look of the Recce rail but don't know if it's worth the added weight and price. Thoughts? Pics will follow when complete, along with the Mod 1 I'm building. Well since I used a '104 on mine, I'll say the PRI tube looks a bit lonely, if not naked, without a top rail. Sounds weird but it just looks right with a top rail. So that's how I'd go if I were to do it again, along with a set of #22M rings. YMMV. That was my thought as well. Decision has been made the recce just looks damn good. you will be surprized how light it actually is. also the eye relief is mod 0 style...where there is a TON of rail room to put it where-ever-you-want. thats imho worth it. if you want you can do NF A-106 rings if you want dead nuts strong stuff. nikiel09 has them on his holland. otherwise yep do 22m. nls. side note: thread feels good guys. good vibe. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:26:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_MONEY:
That was my thought as well. Decision has been made Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_MONEY:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
I'm currently working on a Mod H, but the last part left to order is the scope mount. I can't decide to go with the Larue LT104 or Recce rail and ARMS rings. Scope is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10. I like the look of the Recce rail but don't know if it's worth the added weight and price. Thoughts? Pics will follow when complete, along with the Mod 1 I'm building. Well since I used a '104 on mine, I'll say the PRI tube looks a bit lonely, if not naked, without a top rail. Sounds weird but it just looks right with a top rail. So that's how I'd go if I were to do it again, along with a set of #22M rings. YMMV. That was my thought as well. Decision has been made KOBK let me try one out, it's heading back to him as soon as I can get it boxed and mailed. IM him if you haven't already acquired one and perhaps this one will end up your way? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:36:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Regulatori]
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Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce?
I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:46:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori:
Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce? I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg That's the mount I have on my m110 |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 1:18:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
KOBK let me try one out, it's heading back to him as soon as I can get it boxed and mailed. IM him if you haven't already acquired one and perhaps this one will end up your way? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By J_MONEY:
I'm currently working on a Mod H, but the last part left to order is the scope mount. I can't decide to go with the Larue LT104 or Recce rail and ARMS rings. Scope is a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10. I like the look of the Recce rail but don't know if it's worth the added weight and price. Thoughts? Pics will follow when complete, along with the Mod 1 I'm building. Well since I used a '104 on mine, I'll say the PRI tube looks a bit lonely, if not naked, without a top rail. Sounds weird but it just looks right with a top rail. So that's how I'd go if I were to do it again, along with a set of #22M rings. YMMV. That was my thought as well. Decision has been made KOBK let me try one out, it's heading back to him as soon as I can get it boxed and mailed. IM him if you haven't already acquired one and perhaps this one will end up your way? I appreciate the info but I already placed an order direct from PRI
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Posted: 8/25/2016 7:58:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Regulatori: Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce? I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg ya know.....i did this with calipers before......the lt104 is a 1.5" from top of upper to center of optic. iirc the recce and arms height is right about there. my A-106 nf rings are also right about 1.56ish? height. 22h would be fairly high as well as be visually "off". |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:16:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: ya know.....i did this with calipers before......the lt104 is a 1.5" from top of upper to center of optic. iirc the recce and arms height is right about there. my A-106 nf rings are also right about 1.56ish? height. 22h would be fairly high as well as be visually "off". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Regulatori: Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce? I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg ya know.....i did this with calipers before......the lt104 is a 1.5" from top of upper to center of optic. iirc the recce and arms height is right about there. my A-106 nf rings are also right about 1.56ish? height. 22h would be fairly high as well as be visually "off". That looks way too high to me; your turrets are gonna bottom out and you'll hafta keep resetting them to zero just to get it sighted, most-likely. If you don't wanna use ARMS rings, go have a look at the Badger Ordnance rings; they look just like NF rings and come in a variety of heights, and have GWOT bonafides. If it were me, I'd still be in the 1" area, give or take, using a top-rail. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:31:05 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: That looks way too high to me; your turrets are gonna bottom out and you'll hafta keep resetting them to zero just to get it sighted, most-likely. If you don't wanna use ARMS rings, go have a look at the Badger Ordnance rings; they look just like NF rings and come in a variety of heights, and have GWOT bonafides. If it were me, I'd still be in the 1" area, give or take, using a top-rail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Regulatori: Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce? I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg ya know.....i did this with calipers before......the lt104 is a 1.5" from top of upper to center of optic. iirc the recce and arms height is right about there. my A-106 nf rings are also right about 1.56ish? height. 22h would be fairly high as well as be visually "off". That looks way too high to me; your turrets are gonna bottom out and you'll hafta keep resetting them to zero just to get it sighted, most-likely. If you don't wanna use ARMS rings, go have a look at the Badger Ordnance rings; they look just like NF rings and come in a variety of heights, and have GWOT bonafides. If it were me, I'd still be in the 1" area, give or take, using a top-rail. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:38:52 AM EDT
[#40]
So I totally got hit with cloning disease from this thread. Although I will say that looking for and finding parts is becoming fun. So I was able to find a colt take-off Alcoa Forge m4 upper and an early A.R.M.S. #17 without a lever stop for my bipod. The #17 is coming with an Aimpoint ring mounted to it so I am planning on picking up a new #32 and removing the bipod adapter from the newer #17 it comes mounted to and placing it on the older #17 I picked up. So as of now my build parts are,
AF Colt M4 upper A.R.M.S. #40 STD w/ A2 aperture (early model without lanyard and with wingless swan logo) A.R.M.S. #38 SPR Mod 1 swan sleeve ( place holder until I can find a #38 peq-2-3 ) A.R.M.S. #32 w/ early nls #17 qd mount Harris S-BRM with KMW Pod-Loc PRI front sight/gas block Ops Inc 12th model brake/collar Planning on picking up a barrel from HCS(when available) and ordering the handguard from PRI in the next couple weeks. As for everything else.....the hunt continues! |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:45:13 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: C'mon bossman, the mod0 was around 3" over bore and we have plenty of adjustment left. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Regulatori: Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce? I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg ya know.....i did this with calipers before......the lt104 is a 1.5" from top of upper to center of optic. iirc the recce and arms height is right about there. my A-106 nf rings are also right about 1.56ish? height. 22h would be fairly high as well as be visually "off". That looks way too high to me; your turrets are gonna bottom out and you'll hafta keep resetting them to zero just to get it sighted, most-likely. If you don't wanna use ARMS rings, go have a look at the Badger Ordnance rings; they look just like NF rings and come in a variety of heights, and have GWOT bonafides. If it were me, I'd still be in the 1" area, give or take, using a top-rail. That was my experience when I had my Mod1 setup like RJM's. It didn't feel too high, but the turrets on my Mk4 bottomed out long before I was able to get it sighted. Huge pain-in-the-ass since I didn't have a hex key to remove the damn turret that day. And I was shooting a match too.  |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 8:48:51 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
So I totally got hit with cloning disease from this thread. Although I will say that looking for and finding parts is becoming fun. So I was able to find a colt take-off Alcoa Forge m4 upper and an early A.R.M.S. #17 without a lever stop for my bipod. The #17 is coming with an Aimpoint ring mounted to it so I am planning on picking up a new #32 and removing the bipod adapter from the newer #17 it comes mounted to and placing it on the older #17 I picked up. So as of now my build parts are, AF Colt M4 upper A.R.M.S. #40 STD w/ A2 aperture (early model without lanyard and with wingless swan logo) A.R.M.S. #38 SPR Mod 1 swan sleeve ( place holder until I can find a #38 peq-2-3 ) A.R.M.S. #32 w/ early nls #17 qd mount Harris S-BRM with KMW Pod-Loc PRI front sight/gas block Ops Inc 12th model brake/collar Planning on picking up a barrel from HCS(when available) and ordering the handguard from PRI in the next couple weeks. As for everything else.....the hunt continues! Your inbox is full.... Email sent. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:38:45 AM EDT
[#43]
The sun is out, and the guns are coming out!
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Posted: 8/25/2016 11:34:03 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The sun is out, and the guns are coming out! http://i.imgur.com/JeJwNKu.jpg The sun is always out around here. It has cooled down some which is nice. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:15:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chenault]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Anyone tried the 73gr Bergers these rifles were supposed to use? Found a decent deal on 'em vs 77gr SMK's and TMK's. I used to shoot them. Really accurate with Varget, 8208 and Tac! Had to play with the seating depth if I remember right to find the right node. If you can get em cheap do it. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:26:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: I used to shoot them. Really accurate with Varget, 8208 and Tac! Had to play with the seating depth if I remember right to find the right node. If you can get em cheap do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Anyone tried the 73gr Bergers these rifles were supposed to use? Found a decent deal on 'em vs 77gr SMK's and TMK's. I used to shoot them. Really accurate with Varget, 8208 and Tac! Had to play with the seating depth if I remember right to find the right node. If you can get em cheap do it. May just be this particular shop, but I think a couple boxes may in order. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 12:34:29 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I picked up a fresh lb. of Varget and some Hornady 75gr BTHP to replicate some TAP FPD, and noticed the Bergers were substantially cheaper than either of the Sierra 77's. May just be this particular shop, but I think a couple boxes may in order. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Anyone tried the 73gr Bergers these rifles were supposed to use? Found a decent deal on 'em vs 77gr SMK's and TMK's. I used to shoot them. Really accurate with Varget, 8208 and Tac! Had to play with the seating depth if I remember right to find the right node. If you can get em cheap do it. May just be this particular shop, but I think a couple boxes may in order. Unless I can find overruns SMK's have kind of priced me out. I'm getting similar performance out of Nosler 77gr for 7 cents less a bullet which works out well for me. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 1:55:40 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: Unless I can find overruns SMK's have kind of priced me out. I'm getting similar performance out of Nosler 77gr for 7 cents less a bullet which works out well for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By chenault: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Anyone tried the 73gr Bergers these rifles were supposed to use? Found a decent deal on 'em vs 77gr SMK's and TMK's. I used to shoot them. Really accurate with Varget, 8208 and Tac! Had to play with the seating depth if I remember right to find the right node. If you can get em cheap do it. May just be this particular shop, but I think a couple boxes may in order. Unless I can find overruns SMK's have kind of priced me out. I'm getting similar performance out of Nosler 77gr for 7 cents less a bullet which works out well for me. im really liking Hornady 75gr match bthp. $15/100 retail. pretty much perform like my sierra otm with a WAY beefier and uniform tip. sub moa at 100 as usual. i use same dopes for steel at the 77gr sierras as well. same load. same oal. only thing i had to do was adjust sest depth for bullet shape to hit my same oal. they are my go to "cheap match" load. 23.2gr of xbr 8208. cci br4 primers. random brass. WOA 1/7. runs great. |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 2:29:31 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: im really liking Hornady 75gr match bthp. $15/100 retail. pretty much perform like my sierra otm with a WAY beefier and uniform tip. sub moa at 100 as usual. i use same dopes for steel at the 77gr sierras as well. same load. same oal. only thing i had to do was adjust set depth for bullet shape to hit my same oal. they are my go to "cheap match" load. 23.2gr of xbr 8208. cci br4 primers. random brass. WOA 1/7. runs great. Any idea what velocities are like with that? |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 3:00:03 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
That looks way too high to me; your turrets are gonna bottom out and you'll hafta keep resetting them to zero just to get it sighted, most-likely. If you don't wanna use ARMS rings, go have a look at the Badger Ordnance rings; they look just like NF rings and come in a variety of heights, and have GWOT bonafides. If it were me, I'd still be in the 1" area, give or take, using a top-rail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Originally Posted By Regulatori:
Will a recce rail combined with high rings make a scope sit too high? Anyone actually measure the exact height increase with the recce? I keep looking at that stupid KAC 1 piece scope mount even though I shouldn't...I just really like the look of it on a rifle. It's labeled as 1.4" which is just a hair shorter than ARMS high rings. Just concerned it might be too high with a rail. I do like the combo though...except I want to buy the KAC in taupe/tan. http://i.imgur.com/K50BsAe.jpg ya know.....i did this with calipers before......the lt104 is a 1.5" from top of upper to center of optic. iirc the recce and arms height is right about there. my A-106 nf rings are also right about 1.56ish? height. 22h would be fairly high as well as be visually "off". That looks way too high to me; your turrets are gonna bottom out and you'll hafta keep resetting them to zero just to get it sighted, most-likely. If you don't wanna use ARMS rings, go have a look at the Badger Ordnance rings; they look just like NF rings and come in a variety of heights, and have GWOT bonafides. If it were me, I'd still be in the 1" area, give or take, using a top-rail. I'm not sure if this is the same rail you guys are referring to, but those look like H's to me. I personally think the H's on the Flat top to be just a bit lower than I'd like. Sure being super tight to the stock may help accuracy. But I'm not sure it's always necessary or always a good thing. I think 1.4" would be way low. I don't even think I could see through it at that point properly. But everyone's face is a bit different and certain stocks change it a bit too. I personally have shot decent groups with a scope on a carry handle without any kind of stock riser. I've never done it past 100 though. 
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