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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:08:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dinnertime: Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dinnertime: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Dinnertime: Went to assemble my mod1 upper last night and my gas block is out of spec  Badger Ordnance? Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Went to assemble my mod1 upper last night and my gas block is out of spec Badger Ordnance? Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. Mine was the same. Had to tap it in with a mallet and vice. Daniel defense mk12 gas block |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:09:58 PM EDT
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"Out for delivery"
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:31:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: "Out for delivery" It'shappening.gif But I'm happier to finally see you with a Leupold.  |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:36:09 PM EDT
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Silly question, but should the collar on a Mod 0 sit on the step in the barrel or the gas block? I had a funny feeling mine wasn't on the 'step' and just butted up to the gas block. I turned a few thousandths off with a mini lathe and out oil inside the collar to check coverage. There's still a noticeable gap between the step in the barrel and the lip in the long collar before it is off the gas block and against the step.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:42:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanO20:
Silly question, but should the collar on a Mod 0 sit on the step in the barrel or the gas block? I had a funny feeling mine wasn't on the 'step' and just butted up to the gas block. I turned a few thousandths off with a mini lathe and out oil inside the collar to check coverage. There's still a noticeable gap between the step in the barrel and the lip in the long collar before it is off the gas block and against the step. It should be on the barrel step not against the FS/GB. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 1:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RyanO20:
Silly question, but should the collar on a Mod 0 sit on the step in the barrel or the gas block? I had a funny feeling mine wasn't on the 'step' and just butted up to the gas block. I turned a few thousandths off with a mini lathe and out oil inside the collar to check coverage. There's still a noticeable gap between the step in the barrel and the lip in the long collar before it is off the gas block and against the step. You want it on the step. Better a tiny gap between the FSB and back edge of the collar IMO to make sure the collar is on and concentric. There are variances among barrel makers that means some Mod 0s come out perfect looking, and others have the issue you mention. My early upper has a larger gap than the Gen II that Zakkairborne now has.  Comparison of handguard lengths and barrels by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:00:52 PM EDT
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HK V7 grip is best grip
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:04:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Dinnertime:
Went to assemble my mod1 upper last night and my gas block is out of spec Badger Ordnance? Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. Normally thats what I would do, but it has some gnarly machining marks in the hole that make it look almost rifled. I can insert it with a mallet, but it spins with the machining marks and I can't get the roll pin hole to line up. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 5:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan: Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By Dinnertime: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Dinnertime: Went to assemble my mod1 upper last night and my gas block is out of spec Badger Ordnance? Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it Put the gas block in the oven at 300 for about 30 minutes. Should slide right in. Good gun parts are like women. Insertion is easier when they're all heated up. As a 6 year 45B and former instructor at the us army ordnance school.....i respectfully disagree with this. But whatever. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 5:29:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
You want it on the step. Better a tiny gap between the FSB and back edge of the collar IMO to make sure the collar is on and concentric. There are variances among barrel makers that means some Mod 0s come out perfect looking, and others have the issue you mention. My early upper has a larger gap than the Gen II that Zakkairborne now has. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BhJSHQ" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/23161916146_baf6bec459_k.jpg</a>Comparison of handguard lengths and barrels by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By RyanO20:
Silly question, but should the collar on a Mod 0 sit on the step in the barrel or the gas block? I had a funny feeling mine wasn't on the 'step' and just butted up to the gas block. I turned a few thousandths off with a mini lathe and out oil inside the collar to check coverage. There's still a noticeable gap between the step in the barrel and the lip in the long collar before it is off the gas block and against the step. You want it on the step. Better a tiny gap between the FSB and back edge of the collar IMO to make sure the collar is on and concentric. There are variances among barrel makers that means some Mod 0s come out perfect looking, and others have the issue you mention. My early upper has a larger gap than the Gen II that Zakkairborne now has. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BhJSHQ" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/23161916146_baf6bec459_k.jpg</a>Comparison of handguard lengths and barrels by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Worst part is I've got a Douglas barrel from HCS. Any chance the ADCO collar is out of spec? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 5:39:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/23/2016 5:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: You want it on the step. Better a tiny gap between the FSB and back edge of the collar IMO to make sure the collar is on and concentric. There are variances among barrel makers that means some Mod 0s come out perfect looking, and others have the issue you mention. My early upper has a larger gap than the Gen II that Zakkairborne now has. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/23161916146_baf6bec459_k.jpgComparison of handguard lengths and barrels by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By RyanO20: Silly question, but should the collar on a Mod 0 sit on the step in the barrel or the gas block? I had a funny feeling mine wasn't on the 'step' and just butted up to the gas block. I turned a few thousandths off with a mini lathe and out oil inside the collar to check coverage. There's still a noticeable gap between the step in the barrel and the lip in the long collar before it is off the gas block and against the step. You want it on the step. Better a tiny gap between the FSB and back edge of the collar IMO to make sure the collar is on and concentric. There are variances among barrel makers that means some Mod 0s come out perfect looking, and others have the issue you mention. My early upper has a larger gap than the Gen II that Zakkairborne now has. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/23161916146_baf6bec459_k.jpgComparison of handguard lengths and barrels by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 5:46:45 PM EDT
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FUCKING POSTAL SERVICE
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: FUCKING POSTAL SERVICE |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:10:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Only delayed, I hope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
FUCKING POSTAL SERVICE Attempt delivery at 130. Fine, I'll pick it up on my way home. 4:30, route still hasn't returned. May continual fucks be upon the USPS, and their not leaving shit on my door step or in my fucking mailbox ways. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Attempt delivery at 130. Fine, I'll pick it up on my way home. 4:30, route still hasn't returned. May continual fucks be upon the USPS, and their not leaving shit on my door step or in my fucking mailbox ways. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: FUCKING POSTAL SERVICE Attempt delivery at 130. Fine, I'll pick it up on my way home. 4:30, route still hasn't returned. May continual fucks be upon the USPS, and their not leaving shit on my door step or in my fucking mailbox ways. New one ain't much better, though. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:24:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Yuuup. My shit touches the GB, and it's still a shooter. Is it proper? Probably not. However; I believe there is evidence to support that some of the early SPR's collar configs were as such, based on wear patterns on the gas blocks recently sold by ADCO (unless those blocks were used after the turn ins with non spec barrels prior to being resold) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk101abn:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By RyanO20:
Silly question, but should the collar on a Mod 0 sit on the step in the barrel or the gas block? I had a funny feeling mine wasn't on the 'step' and just butted up to the gas block. I turned a few thousandths off with a mini lathe and out oil inside the collar to check coverage. There's still a noticeable gap between the step in the barrel and the lip in the long collar before it is off the gas block and against the step. You want it on the step. Better a tiny gap between the FSB and back edge of the collar IMO to make sure the collar is on and concentric. There are variances among barrel makers that means some Mod 0s come out perfect looking, and others have the issue you mention. My early upper has a larger gap than the Gen II that Zakkairborne now has. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/23161916146_baf6bec459_k.jpgComparison of handguard lengths and barrels by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr Agreed with this. (Also, your package should be out at the end of this week. Got held up.) SWM, that's friggin' perfection. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:31:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 78Staff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OxygenThief: Because I've been seeing people in EE trying to get $400.00 for a KAC free float, Brownell's and Operation Parts has them available for $350.00. I noticed that also, I picked mine up from Operation Parts, along with a few other items. I've been in furniture (house furniture, that is) moving/re-arranging he** the past week or so, but hope to start assembling the upper tonight :). Speaking of, here are some parts... much work to be done. Still waiting on Colt LPK and Bipod mount, but I can get the upper together at least.  |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:21:34 PM EDT
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There are some good looking Hollands on here recently! I wanted to wait a little longer to post some pics of my Mod 0 since its unfinished, but it's a nice day outside (finally) and I figured I'd step out on the deck and take a couple pictures of my work in progress. I was lucky enough to come across one of the legit turned in early SPR uppers years back and ran it with an HDMR scope on it for awhile and it's been a tack driver. However, I got wise and sold the optic to buy a Vari-X III for it, which I've not come across yet (although thanks to LC my options opened up a bit). I was planning on picking up a can for it, but bought a house instead, so maybe after this next trip...
 
As you can see here, the ARMS 38 was cut down by the original user to work with a KAC rear sight. 
Showing the screw pattern of the handguard, this one only has 3 
And off topic, but here are a couple of pictures that some guys asked about from the recruiting event. 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nikiel09:
There are some good looking Hollands on here recently! I wanted to wait a little longer to post some pics of my Mod 0 since its unfinished, but it's a nice day outside (finally) and I figured I'd step out on the deck and take a couple pictures of my work in progress. I was lucky enough to come across one of the legit turned in early SPR uppers years back and ran it with an HDMR scope on it for awhile and it's been a tack driver. However, I got wise and sold the optic to buy a Vari-X III for it, which I've not come across yet (although thanks to LC my options opened up a bit). I was planning on picking up a can for it, but bought a house instead, so maybe after this next trip... http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/BD023144-6996-408A-93E1-FB8B1C319AEC_zpstauj5u5u.jpg http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps9gnhmuxl.jpeg http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdemtylx0.jpeg As you can see here, the ARMS 38 was cut down by the original user to work with a KAC rear sight. http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsdvwajlbb.jpeg Showing the screw pattern of the handguard, this one only has 3 http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpse9gh3kee.jpeg http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsftykwpo2.jpeg And off topic, but here are a couple of pictures that some guys asked about from the recruiting event. http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/DA56C74A-ADD3-4799-ADE4-E0674AF837E7_zpsnwya5g1c.jpg http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/EEE37DC2-BC57-4033-BB4B-9BC3F99F5ED1_zpsezygz0ax.jpg http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/19526491-4D12-4C1A-B63A-CCAFEDD08F12_zps15uvjelp.jpg I absolutely cannot wait till you get a can and a Vari-X! Was supposed to have mine in hand today but the Post Office conspired against me. Also, you have an MRE. My jealous meter's about pegged out right now!
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:30:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dinnertime: Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dinnertime: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By Dinnertime: Went to assemble my mod1 upper last night and my gas block is out of spec Badger Ordnance? Was actually the gas tube hole, cant get a gas tube in it First time I've ever heard of that.  |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:33:26 PM EDT
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http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsj9y7gfeq.jpeg
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsedniplkv.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsfz0k8aol.jpeg Few guys in here have legit Douglas/CLE barrels. Ballistic makes great barrels and nobody will be the wiser. I don't buy CLE'd Douglas barrels often, but when I do, it's for a mk12. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Dj3v58" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1608/24489385363_31deb33dd7_o.jpg</a> I think I'm going with PRI's Douglas whenever that happens. Until I see CLE getting the proportions correct for Mod 0/SPRs with the barrel flats and long collar proportions I'm seeing PRI as the better source. What is off about CLE barrels? I was going to buy from them. All my barrels are from CLE, with the exception of the Holland barrel. Every one of them has the screw flats for the front sight, the 12th collars all work fine, and I get like 4-7 turns on the can. I have never had any issues with using Douglas Barrels form Compass Lake. And I am one particular SOB. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:35:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: asmig]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nikiel09:
And off topic, but here are a couple of pictures that some guys asked about from the recruiting event. http://s398.photobucket.com/user/Nikiel09/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DA56C74A-ADD3-4799-ADE4-E0674AF837E7_zpsnwya5g1c.jpg.html Never knew Surefire made a UMP can. Now I gotta find one |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nikiel09: There are some good looking Hollands on here recently! I wanted to wait a little longer to post some pics of my Mod 0 since its unfinished, but it's a nice day outside (finally) and I figured I'd step out on the deck and take a couple pictures of my work in progress. I was lucky enough to come across one of the legit turned in early SPR uppers years back and ran it with an HDMR scope on it for awhile and it's been a tack driver. However, I got wise and sold the optic to buy a Vari-X III for it, which I've not come across yet (although thanks to LC my options opened up a bit). I was planning on picking up a can for it, but bought a house instead, so maybe after this next trip... http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/BD023144-6996-408A-93E1-FB8B1C319AEC_zpstauj5u5u.jpg  |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:21:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Damn, that MRE is so good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By Nikiel09: There are some good looking Hollands on here recently! I wanted to wait a little longer to post some pics of my Mod 0 since its unfinished, but it's a nice day outside (finally) and I figured I'd step out on the deck and take a couple pictures of my work in progress. I was lucky enough to come across one of the legit turned in early SPR uppers years back and ran it with an HDMR scope on it for awhile and it's been a tack driver. However, I got wise and sold the optic to buy a Vari-X III for it, which I've not come across yet (although thanks to LC my options opened up a bit). I was planning on picking up a can for it, but bought a house instead, so maybe after this next trip... http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp70/Nikiel09/Mobile%20Uploads/BD023144-6996-408A-93E1-FB8B1C319AEC_zpstauj5u5u.jpg That's how they should ALL look, covered in spray paint. ETA: Pic thread.  |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:43:43 PM EDT
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we are getting there... scope is mocked up since lower not done yet, and the can of course is a faux, real one's is in jail, along with a RC for my MK18.
Always worried about gas block alignment, I triple checked and put alignment lines on the barrel. Everything looks kosher but I always worry until that first shot. Ops Brake would have needed 360* of turn, damn the luck, so I used a shim to keep rotations just over 90*. Other than that no issues to speak of. Colt LPK should be here Thursday, along with the bipod mount, so should be able to finish it up later this week.  |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 10:10:20 PM EDT
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EVERY time nik posts pics of stuff i think "i shoulda went sf. I shoulda went fucking sf!!!"
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Posted: 5/23/2016 10:13:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firejareen:
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsj9y7gfeq.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsedniplkv.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsfz0k8aol.jpeg Few guys in here have legit Douglas/CLE barrels. Ballistic makes great barrels and nobody will be the wiser. I don't buy CLE'd Douglas barrels often, but when I do, it's for a mk12. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Dj3v58" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1608/24489385363_31deb33dd7_o.jpg</a> I think I'm going with PRI's Douglas whenever that happens. Until I see CLE getting the proportions correct for Mod 0/SPRs with the barrel flats and long collar proportions I'm seeing PRI as the better source. What is off about CLE barrels? I was going to buy from them. All my barrels are from CLE, with the exception of the Holland barrel. Every one of them has the screw flats for the front sight, the 12th collars all work fine, and I get like 4-7 turns on the can. I have never had any issues with using Douglas Barrels form Compass Lake. And I am one particular SOB. I'll take note of that, I'd seen some experiences counter to that when we had the set of repro long collars drop last year. White Oak and various Douglas CLE/HCS guys were having issues with # of terms and collars butting against FSBs. None of the BCM barrels have that problem, and it seems the PRI barrels too. Regarding CLE having the FSB flats, are you talking the 4x flats as seen here? Did you order them added?: 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 10:37:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Im feeling extra helpful today! :P came back for this link. DD has .750 CRANE SPEC blocks. Just found these :) https://danieldefense.com/components-parts/mk12-low-profile-gas-block.html Make it hot? Yes there are 4 gens. Referring to the ACE M4 SOCOM length stocks as issued. Gen 1 - clamp on buffer tube with threaded holes on sides of clamping backplate and square relese button on right side. Gen 2 - same as gen 1 but sling looks on side of clamp on backplate. (Should be a rolling gen1 change rear part) Gen 3 - round release mech, updated mech, ribbed rear plate under buttpad. iirc this is where the m4 castle nut backplate entered Gen 4 - verticle rectangle release mech, m4 backplate. Ribbed rear plate under buttpad. Latest gen Gen 1 is most correct. 1 guy is pictured with a gen 2 on a legit holland, so its ok as well. Any other gen is a no go for "clone correct". Gen 1...i have found 2. One i passed on last year from someone on here and i told nickiel09 about...he grabbed it but then went non M4 length. Went 9-13" rifle length on his REAL holland.....so technically......i think his is gen 1, but a gen 1 rifle length socom is now koshure...but i would say only for cloning his rifle really. But its out there. Now if only i could remember info for tests like this! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Jace917: Will I be shunned for a Ballistic Advantage barrel? http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsj9y7gfeq.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsedniplkv.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsfz0k8aol.jpeg Pic thread. Out slappin some tie plates at 100/150 today. Hopefully in the next 2 weeks i will visit the 700yd one for the weekend :) http://i67.tinypic.com/11sferr.jpg Looks great! I want to build another holland in 5.56 with a SOCOM stock and Leopold MR/T. I have a Noveske recon barrel and some of the miscellaneous parts already. Is there and older and newer version of the ACE stock or is that something I'm dreaming up? Im feeling extra helpful today! :P came back for this link. DD has .750 CRANE SPEC blocks. Just found these :) https://danieldefense.com/components-parts/mk12-low-profile-gas-block.html Make it hot? Yes there are 4 gens. Referring to the ACE M4 SOCOM length stocks as issued. Gen 1 - clamp on buffer tube with threaded holes on sides of clamping backplate and square relese button on right side. Gen 2 - same as gen 1 but sling looks on side of clamp on backplate. (Should be a rolling gen1 change rear part) Gen 3 - round release mech, updated mech, ribbed rear plate under buttpad. iirc this is where the m4 castle nut backplate entered Gen 4 - verticle rectangle release mech, m4 backplate. Ribbed rear plate under buttpad. Latest gen Gen 1 is most correct. 1 guy is pictured with a gen 2 on a legit holland, so its ok as well. Any other gen is a no go for "clone correct". Gen 1...i have found 2. One i passed on last year from someone on here and i told nickiel09 about...he grabbed it but then went non M4 length. Went 9-13" rifle length on his REAL holland.....so technically......i think his is gen 1, but a gen 1 rifle length socom is now koshure...but i would say only for cloning his rifle really. But its out there. Now if only i could remember info for tests like this! ...I guess it's Gen 1 or go home. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 10:58:21 PM EDT
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Well I too jumped on the Atlas train for my Holland. UPS just got here tonight. Besides the awesome features like being able to load the bipod now and have more range of motion, I'm really excited about the weight savings.
Harris HBRMS 6"-9" w/ KAC Adapter 
Harris HBLMS 9"-13" w/ KAC Adapter 
Atlas PSR NC w/ ARMS #31 
Happy lighter Holland 
And to make up for that weight loss, the 3.5-10 should be here later this week to try out instead of the TS-30A2, but I expect the weight gain will be fine given it's all over the magwell instead of out on the end. Curious to see if I appreciate the extra mag or end up just sticking the 2.5-8 back on there. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased: ^ Gen 2 has a round release as well....only the Gen 1 release is square. I'm still uncertain about the gen 2 being "correct." The rifle Glass posted with the Gen 2 SOCOM may have had a personal purchase lower. I don't think I see a third pin - and the profile looks like an A2. I'm just not sure. ...I guess it's Gen 1 or go home. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Originally Posted By Jace917: Will I be shunned for a Ballistic Advantage barrel? http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsj9y7gfeq.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsedniplkv.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsfz0k8aol.jpeg Pic thread. Out slappin some tie plates at 100/150 today. Hopefully in the next 2 weeks i will visit the 700yd one for the weekend :) http://i67.tinypic.com/11sferr.jpg Looks great! I want to build another holland in 5.56 with a SOCOM stock and Leopold MR/T. I have a Noveske recon barrel and some of the miscellaneous parts already. Is there and older and newer version of the ACE stock or is that something I'm dreaming up? Im feeling extra helpful today! :P came back for this link. DD has .750 CRANE SPEC blocks. Just found these :) https://danieldefense.com/components-parts/mk12-low-profile-gas-block.html Make it hot? Yes there are 4 gens. Referring to the ACE M4 SOCOM length stocks as issued. Gen 1 - clamp on buffer tube with threaded holes on sides of clamping backplate and square relese button on right side. Gen 2 - same as gen 1 but sling looks on side of clamp on backplate. (Should be a rolling gen1 change rear part) Gen 3 - round release mech, updated mech, ribbed rear plate under buttpad. iirc this is where the m4 castle nut backplate entered Gen 4 - verticle rectangle release mech, m4 backplate. Ribbed rear plate under buttpad. Latest gen Gen 1 is most correct. 1 guy is pictured with a gen 2 on a legit holland, so its ok as well. Any other gen is a no go for "clone correct". Gen 1...i have found 2. One i passed on last year from someone on here and i told nickiel09 about...he grabbed it but then went non M4 length. Went 9-13" rifle length on his REAL holland.....so technically......i think his is gen 1, but a gen 1 rifle length socom is now koshure...but i would say only for cloning his rifle really. But its out there. Now if only i could remember info for tests like this! ...I guess it's Gen 1 or go home. I believe nikiel09 and i are the 2 with clones and gen 1 stocks. The one all black holland from wayyyy back is the one nik has now iirc. Anyone else gen 1??? Also....the atlas bt-10's were mostly all screw on non qd. Watch what attatchment style you get. Iirc one was seen with thw larue but thats ALSO the gen 2 ave stockef one in question, so could be a personally owned bipod. Still....good info! Thanks CD. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: Well I too jumped on the Atlas train for my Holland. UPS just got here tonight. Besides the awesome features like being able to load the bipod now and have more range of motion, I'm really excited about the weight savings. And to make up for that weight loss, the 3.5-10 should be here later this week to try out instead of the TS-30A2, but I expect the weight gain will be fine given it's all over the magwell instead of out on the end. Curious to see if I appreciate the extra mag or end up just sticking the 2.5-8 back on there. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:19:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
I'll take note of that, I'd seen some experiences counter to that when we had the set of repro long collars drop last year. White Oak and various Douglas CLE/HCS guys were having issues with # of terms and collars butting against FSBs. None of the BCM barrels have that problem, and it seems the PRI barrels too. Regarding CLE having the FSB flats, are you talking the 4x flats as seen here? Did you order them added?: http://i.imgur.com/TaxiHTH.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By Firejareen:
http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsj9y7gfeq.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsedniplkv.jpeg http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo8/Jacedaniel83/image_zpsfz0k8aol.jpeg Few guys in here have legit Douglas/CLE barrels. Ballistic makes great barrels and nobody will be the wiser. I don't buy CLE'd Douglas barrels often, but when I do, it's for a mk12. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Dj3v58" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1608/24489385363_31deb33dd7_o.jpg</a> I think I'm going with PRI's Douglas whenever that happens. Until I see CLE getting the proportions correct for Mod 0/SPRs with the barrel flats and long collar proportions I'm seeing PRI as the better source. What is off about CLE barrels? I was going to buy from them. All my barrels are from CLE, with the exception of the Holland barrel. Every one of them has the screw flats for the front sight, the 12th collars all work fine, and I get like 4-7 turns on the can. I have never had any issues with using Douglas Barrels form Compass Lake. And I am one particular SOB. I'll take note of that, I'd seen some experiences counter to that when we had the set of repro long collars drop last year. White Oak and various Douglas CLE/HCS guys were having issues with # of terms and collars butting against FSBs. None of the BCM barrels have that problem, and it seems the PRI barrels too. Regarding CLE having the FSB flats, are you talking the 4x flats as seen here? Did you order them added?: http://i.imgur.com/TaxiHTH.jpg I thought the 4 flats were for adjustable fsgb on service rifles like the SDM-R. Why do you need them on the MK12? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: I thought the 4 flats were for adjustable fsgb on service rifles like the SDM-R. Why do you need them on the MK12? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samson-Dogg: Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: I'll take note of that, I'd seen some experiences counter to that when we had the set of repro long collars drop last year. White Oak and various Douglas CLE/HCS guys were having issues with # of terms and collars butting against FSBs. None of the BCM barrels have that problem, and it seems the PRI barrels too. Regarding CLE having the FSB flats, are you talking the 4x flats as seen here? Did you order them added?: http://i.imgur.com/TaxiHTH.jpg I thought the 4 flats were for adjustable fsgb on service rifles like the SDM-R. Why do you need them on the MK12? |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 11:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Set screw FSB's for mod0's. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By Samson-Dogg:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
I'll take note of that, I'd seen some experiences counter to that when we had the set of repro long collars drop last year. White Oak and various Douglas CLE/HCS guys were having issues with # of terms and collars butting against FSBs. None of the BCM barrels have that problem, and it seems the PRI barrels too. Regarding CLE having the FSB flats, are you talking the 4x flats as seen here? Did you order them added?: http://i.imgur.com/TaxiHTH.jpg I thought the 4 flats were for adjustable fsgb on service rifles like the SDM-R. Why do you need them on the MK12? Oh shit that's right. Dammit I loose track |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 12:20:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: Also....the atlas bt-10's were mostly all screw on non qd. Watch what attatchment style you get. Iirc one was seen with thw larue but thats ALSO the gen 2 ave stockef one in question, so could be a personally owned bipod.  How'd you like the "cleat-feet" on yours? I wish someone made replacements like camera tripods, where the rubber piece would screw up over the spike, so you could have both options in one foot. ETA: something like this:  |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 1:39:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Didn't get a gen1 ACE, but you know I had to get the twin-screw ATLAS.
How'd you like the "cleat-feet" on yours? I wish someone made replacements like camera tripods, where the rubber piece would screw up over the spike, so you could have both options in one foot. ETA: something like this: https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Gitzo-Tripod-Feet.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
Also....the atlas bt-10's were mostly all screw on non qd. Watch what attatchment style you get. Iirc one was seen with thw larue but thats ALSO the gen 2 ave stockef one in question, so could be a personally owned bipod.
How'd you like the "cleat-feet" on yours? I wish someone made replacements like camera tripods, where the rubber piece would screw up over the spike, so you could have both options in one foot. ETA: something like this: https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Gitzo-Tripod-Feet.jpg Oh hell, I guess my Atlas BT-46 with Larue QD and ACE SOCOM Gen 2 have just ruined my Holland build. Will my original ARMS #22M nonlever atops, Noveske Recon with the correct forward profile and long collar, and Leupokd Vari-X III illuminated make up for it?
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Posted: 5/24/2016 8:23:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAR-SPR: Oh hell, I guess my Atlas BT-46 with Larue QD and ACE SOCOM Gen 2 have just ruined my Holland build. Will my original ARMS #22M nonlever atops, Noveske Recon with the correct forward profile and long collar, and Leupokd Vari-X III illuminated make up for it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAR-SPR: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Also....the atlas bt-10's were mostly all screw on non qd. Watch what attatchment style you get. Iirc one was seen with thw larue but thats ALSO the gen 2 ave stockef one in question, so could be a personally owned bipod. How'd you like the "cleat-feet" on yours? I wish someone made replacements like camera tripods, where the rubber piece would screw up over the spike, so you could have both options in one foot. ETA: something like this: https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Gitzo-Tripod-Feet.jpg Oh hell, I guess my Atlas BT-46 with Larue QD and ACE SOCOM Gen 2 have just ruined my Holland build. Will my original ARMS #22M nonlever atops, Noveske Recon with the correct forward profile and long collar, and Leupokd Vari-X III illuminated make up for it? You can send me the gen2 and the Vari-X. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 5:01:53 PM EDT
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I had to get into the safe today, so I thought I would get some new pics of the mil upper.
As you can see, I still need to find a scope for it 
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Posted: 5/24/2016 5:47:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I think the 3.5-10 is more visually appealing, but the 2.5-8 is by far my favorite Leupold. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Well I too jumped on the Atlas train for my Holland. UPS just got here tonight. Besides the awesome features like being able to load the bipod now and have more range of motion, I'm really excited about the weight savings. And to make up for that weight loss, the 3.5-10 should be here later this week to try out instead of the TS-30A2, but I expect the weight gain will be fine given it's all over the magwell instead of out on the end. Curious to see if I appreciate the extra mag or end up just sticking the 2.5-8 back on there. What specifically do you like about it over the 3.5-10? I'm curious to try both side by side and see if I notice a huge difference. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 7:03:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: No. You can send me the gen2 and the Vari-X. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By JAR-SPR: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: Also....the atlas bt-10's were mostly all screw on non qd. Watch what attatchment style you get. Iirc one was seen with thw larue but thats ALSO the gen 2 ave stockef one in question, so could be a personally owned bipod. How'd you like the "cleat-feet" on yours? I wish someone made replacements like camera tripods, where the rubber piece would screw up over the spike, so you could have both options in one foot. ETA: something like this: https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Gitzo-Tripod-Feet.jpg Oh hell, I guess my Atlas BT-46 with Larue QD and ACE SOCOM Gen 2 have just ruined my Holland build. Will my original ARMS #22M nonlever atops, Noveske Recon with the correct forward profile and long collar, and Leupokd Vari-X III illuminated make up for it? You can send me the gen2 and the Vari-X. I LOVE the bipod talons. They GRAB hard. For outside stuff they are king. JAR...why not just do it all to spec? If you can sleep at night knowing you have incorrect parts then thats on you. I wanted a QD atlas but thats not what my clone spec required. Everyone on here is on a different level. My personal clone level is "take a pic of my rifle on my old toughbox from iraq and my clone should look like it is in the 5th group arms room" level. I dont want excuses. I just want right. One correct part doesnt make an incorrect part ok. It just makes the clone not correct. #cloneking out -keep it holland people- *runs away* |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 8:36:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: What specifically do you like about it over the 3.5-10? I'm curious to try both side by side and see if I notice a huge difference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Well I too jumped on the Atlas train for my Holland. UPS just got here tonight. Besides the awesome features like being able to load the bipod now and have more range of motion, I'm really excited about the weight savings. And to make up for that weight loss, the 3.5-10 should be here later this week to try out instead of the TS-30A2, but I expect the weight gain will be fine given it's all over the magwell instead of out on the end. Curious to see if I appreciate the extra mag or end up just sticking the 2.5-8 back on there. What specifically do you like about it over the 3.5-10? I'm curious to try both side by side and see if I notice a huge difference. The magnification isn't a big deal once you get behind both, and the ~4mm difference in objective doesn't seem to hinder it either. So why not have a more compact package that does the same job? Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: I LOVE the bipod talons. They GRAB hard. For outside stuff they are king. Do you have the "cleats" from B&T or the "talons" from Tactical Supply? |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 8:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Size. The magnification isn't a big deal once you get behind both, and the ~4mm difference in objective doesn't seem to hinder it either. So why not have a more compact package that does the same job? I thought you had the BT24's. Do you have the "cleats" from B&T or the "talons" from Tactical Supply? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Well I too jumped on the Atlas train for my Holland. UPS just got here tonight. Besides the awesome features like being able to load the bipod now and have more range of motion, I'm really excited about the weight savings. And to make up for that weight loss, the 3.5-10 should be here later this week to try out instead of the TS-30A2, but I expect the weight gain will be fine given it's all over the magwell instead of out on the end. Curious to see if I appreciate the extra mag or end up just sticking the 2.5-8 back on there. What specifically do you like about it over the 3.5-10? I'm curious to try both side by side and see if I notice a huge difference. The magnification isn't a big deal once you get behind both, and the ~4mm difference in objective doesn't seem to hinder it either. So why not have a more compact package that does the same job? Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: I LOVE the bipod talons. They GRAB hard. For outside stuff they are king. Do you have the "cleats" from B&T or the "talons" from Tactical Supply? Tac supply talons. Light and the outer ring works very well. Not clone correct but on dirt and gravel they are schweet. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 8:50:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83: 1. 10x vs 8x is HUGE @400yds plus. I have shot daveys and mine back to back and there is a marked advantage with the 3.5-10. I could never get an 8x after this 10x mk4. Never. Size be damned lol. Tac supply talons. Light and the outer ring works very well. Not clone correct but on dirt and gravel they are schweet. I modified some tripod feet like I posted above, but the spikes just don't have enough bite. ETA: I'm not disregarding your recommendation, but I went with the BT34's through amazon so I'll be able to try 'em out Thursday afternoon. |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 8:53:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2016 9:07:13 PM EDT
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Very fortunate to get in two days worth of range time in the last week. First day I was just messing around with the irons on the MK12, but was convinced I could do a little better. The XM193 I was shooting wasn't the most accurate ammo in this gun, or the others. So I rounded up a little bit of American Eagle 50gr Varmint Tipped ammo. I've used this stuff in several guns and it always outshoots 193 and 855, least in my experience at 100 yards which is all I have to reasonably work with. Not Black Hills/MK262/or 77gr Gucci brand prices (this stuff was $12 for 20 rounds), and it is typically plentifully stocked on the shelf. Works great for me.
The 16" gun came along for moral support. 
Shot at 25 and 50 and confirmed all that zero business, then punched a few holes at 100. These were the best and worst groups of the day from the gun using the 50gr stuff. 
Pulled out the tape measure (didn't feel like messing with OnTarget tonight...) 
Had some other targets at hand and this was the best using the same ammo with 4x mag on this gun. 
The best two from a couple different range sessions with MK262/77gr (respectively) and 4x mag for comparison. 
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Posted: 5/24/2016 9:32:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KOBK:
I had to get into the safe today, so I thought I would get some new pics of the mil upper. As you can see, I still need to find a scope for it
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Posted: 5/24/2016 9:58:04 PM EDT
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In the Mk12 world, more magnification is best magnification.
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Posted: 5/24/2016 10:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: In the Mk12 world, more magnification is best magnification. The lineup:  |
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