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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:02:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Honestly, I'd go for a Leupold Mark AR 3-9 or something along those lines. TECHNICALLY the only clone optic is the Leupold TS30 or TS30A2 for that version of the Mk12. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg Honestly, I'd go for a Leupold Mark AR 3-9 or something along those lines. TECHNICALLY the only clone optic is the Leupold TS30 or TS30A2 for that version of the Mk12. That's funny, because he actually just sold me a Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 for my SR-15 Mod 0 upper last week. That's certainly a possibility though. Another he was looking at was a fixed 6x SWFA, and also a Vortex 2.5-10x32, although that one is a bit more than he would want to spend after rings. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pointman12:
That's funny, because he actually just sold me a Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 for my SR-15 Mod 0 upper last week. That's certainly a possibility though. Another he was looking at was a fixed 6x SWFA, and also a Vortex 2.5-10x32, although that one is a bit more than he would want to spend after rings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg Honestly, I'd go for a Leupold Mark AR 3-9 or something along those lines. TECHNICALLY the only clone optic is the Leupold TS30 or TS30A2 for that version of the Mk12. That's funny, because he actually just sold me a Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20 for my SR-15 Mod 0 upper last week. That's certainly a possibility though. Another he was looking at was a fixed 6x SWFA, and also a Vortex 2.5-10x32, although that one is a bit more than he would want to spend after rings. I just picked up a Vortex 2.5-10x32. Great scope for the money. The Mark AR's are nice too. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:05:57 AM EDT
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Suprised no one's jumpimg off about that uoper, and how you could have an original collar and still have the collar mounted properly.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:31:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pbjunkiee]
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Ill just leave this here...
Feel free to rewind and watch the whole thing 
SKIP TO 2:20! 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 2:15:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Suprised no one's jumpimg off about that uoper, and how you could have an original collar and still have the collar mounted properly. Swear to drunk you're not Bob? I'm about to convert my Mod 1 ad to WTS instead of WTT. Nothing but retarded fucks hit me up. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 5:37:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Swear to drunk you're not Bob? I'm about to convert my Mod 1 ad to WTS instead of WTT. Nothing but retarded fucks hit me up. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/22144127625_de0f964607_b.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Suprised no one's jumpimg off about that uoper, and how you could have an original collar and still have the collar mounted properly. Swear to drunk you're not Bob? I'm about to convert my Mod 1 ad to WTS instead of WTT. Nothing but retarded fucks hit me up. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/22144127625_de0f964607_b.jpg If you run into a retard, you run into a retard. If you run into retards all day long, then you're the retard. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 8:56:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:17:54 AM EDT
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I thought this was a clone thread?
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:10:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279:
I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan Link? I can't find one online anywhere... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:15:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pointman12:
Link? I can't find one online anywhere... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By AGR1279:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan Link? I can't find one online anywhere... I'm pretty sure he meant the 2.5-10x32 PST. It's pushing his price range- Amazon has it for $778. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:30:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I'm pretty sure he meant the 2.5-10x32 PST. It's pushing his price range- Amazon has it for $778. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By AGR1279:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan Link? I can't find one online anywhere... I'm pretty sure he meant the 2.5-10x32 PST. It's pushing his price range- Amazon has it for $778. Ah, gotcha--I think that's his frontrunner so far even though it's fairly expensive. I like that one a lot too. We're both in college so $800 for an optic is a big purchase, on top of a $2k rifle 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:53:57 AM EDT
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Check auction and sell ads for a used Leupold, too
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:00:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jax_Guns]
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Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Check auction and sell ads for a used Leupold, too Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:21:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns: Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Check auction and sell ads for a used Leupold, too Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. You can occasionally find a Mk4 2.5-8x36 M2 illuminated TMR for $750-900 used. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 3:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Check auction and sell ads for a used Leupold, too Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. But aren't those MOA clicks with a mildot reticle? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 4:08:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
If you run into a retard, you run into a retard. If you run into retards all day long, then you're the retard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Suprised no one's jumpimg off about that uoper, and how you could have an original collar and still have the collar mounted properly. Swear to drunk you're not Bob? I'm about to convert my Mod 1 ad to WTS instead of WTT. Nothing but retarded fucks hit me up. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/22144127625_de0f964607_b.jpg If you run into a retard, you run into a retard. If you run into retards all day long, then you're the retard. If you would've seen the shitshow you wouldn't have even posted that. Where's the cheapest place to snag my brake/collar? I'd rather have a long collar but would live temporarily with short. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 4:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
Check auction and sell ads for a used Leupold, too Leupold Vari-X III and MK4 3.5-10x40s usually go for 600 and up used. They might not be 100% correct but were used on both the early SPR and the Mod 1 - are closer than the vortex or the Mark-AR. I'd just as soon steer a late Mod 0 away from those. I mean, why throw in a percentage in when they are 0% correct for the late Mod 0? If we're looking at 0% clone specs, might as well line them up with something that helps get them into correct glass. An SWFA 3-9 or Mark AR 3-9 is the same as a 3.5-10 in terms of correctness. I just think the 3.5-10 looks wrong on Mod 1s and late Mod 0s. The same goes with my Bushnell. Even a Mk4 3.5-10 is the same amount of "correct", in that a Vari-X is the right one for the early SPR. Or not having an Illum reticle, or a TMR, etc. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 5:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: If you would've seen the shitshow you wouldn't have even posted that. Where's the cheapest place to snag my brake/collar? I'd rather have a long collar but would live temporarily with short. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By dangerdan: Suprised no one's jumpimg off about that uoper, and how you could have an original collar and still have the collar mounted properly. Swear to drunk you're not Bob? I'm about to convert my Mod 1 ad to WTS instead of WTT. Nothing but retarded fucks hit me up. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/597/22144127625_de0f964607_b.jpg If you run into a retard, you run into a retard. If you run into retards all day long, then you're the retard. If you would've seen the shitshow you wouldn't have even posted that. Where's the cheapest place to snag my brake/collar? I'd rather have a long collar but would live temporarily with short. Adco, unless you find one second hand |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 10:57:29 PM EDT
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any reason why i have to hold 5mils up for a 500m shot with 77gr ammo for approx 15deg incline when every book i read says it should be less holdover for an incline? im baffled. also at 500m i cannot hold a group to save my ass, on a rear bag and front bipod or bag. the last range was much easier but this uphill thing has be stumped
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:17:01 PM EDT
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Happy Thanksgiving, Mk12 monicas.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:33:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
I'm pretty sure he meant the 2.5-10x32 PST. It's pushing his price range- Amazon has it for $778. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By AGR1279:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan Link? I can't find one online anywhere... I'm pretty sure he meant the 2.5-10x32 PST. It's pushing his price range- Amazon has it for $778. I did. Sorry for the confusion. Dan |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:43:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279: G I did. Sorry for the confusion. Dan Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AGR1279: G Originally Posted By DontBuryMe: Originally Posted By pointman12: Originally Posted By AGR1279: Originally Posted By pointman12: So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg I'd recommend a Vortex PST 4.5-10x32 PST. He can get it mil to mil and it is in his price range. Dan Link? I can't find one online anywhere... I'm pretty sure he meant the 2.5-10x32 PST. It's pushing his price range- Amazon has it for $778. I did. Sorry for the confusion. Dan  windows print screen  img upload  image free hosting |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 1:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 2:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
This. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 3:58:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. Completely agree, I ran a vx-r patrol 3-9 for a long time before I got my mk4 that I then traded up for a NF 2.5-10 |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 5:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pointman12:
So a friend of mine just bought a new PRI Mk12 Mod 0, and he isn't quite set on the optic yet. A believe a clone-correct Leupold or Nightforce would be out of his budget, but he isn't too worried on the optic being clone-correct anyways. Budget is about $800 max (including rings, preferably less) and he wants it to be mil/mil and FFP. Any ideas or recommendations? http://i.imgur.com/bW8m2vY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gg3FVTn.jpg Look into the Vortex PST 2.5-10x32. It's FFP and you can get it in mil gradations (what they call "MRAD"). Not clone correct, of course, but it's thematically similar to the Nightforce 2.5-10 offerings. Street price is about $800 new, but I got mine for $600 in used, like-new condition. http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-2-5-10x32-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. I get what you're saying, but to counter that, Mk 12 game is most expensive game. As someone who had to take close to 5 years to patiently assemble the parts for a spec Mk 12, it's hard for me to feel too sorry for people wanting to go 3/4 of a Mk 12 and still want to post their rifles in the thread. Most of thr last 5 years, I've had $50 a month to put towards parts. From my perspective, If people can drop $2-3K on a Mk 12 but don't want to get a legit scope for it, seems like they can wait to post pics of it. Just my $0 02 |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:59:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shooterman017]
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Quote HistoryI'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day.
We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. I'm glad I went ahead and snagged the AEM5 before I even started buying parts. I have my barrel, brake, collar, Gasbuster and bolt ordered. Saved a little money since a few items were Black Friday/Cyber Monday discounted. Maybe a couple weeks on the Form 4 left. Just need a rear iron. And that said, I won't be buying glass or putting something else just to get by. I'll run my irons just for shits and giggles until I pony up for a Nightforce. And that will be after I build a dedicated lower for it, which the more I think about it, I want something Colt or an NDS. I just can't wait to get the upper together and get some trigger time on it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 7:35:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#29]
To the experts- have we ever seen a Matech on a Mod 1 or only KAC? I dont recall seeing any except the dude that posted his clone a few pages back. I have 3 Matech's and 0 KAC rears and a severe lack of fundage. So although not likely, I have my fingers crossed.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 7:37:49 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
I get what you're saying, but to counter that, Mk 12 game is most expensive game. As someone who had to take close to 5 years to patiently assemble the parts for a spec Mk 12, it's hard for me to feel too sorry for people wanting to go 3/4 of a Mk 12 and still want to post their rifles in the thread. Most of thr last 5 years, I've had $50 a month to put towards parts. From my perspective, If people can drop $2-3K on a Mk 12 but don't want to get a legit scope for it, seems like they can wait to post pics of it. Just my $0 02 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. I get what you're saying, but to counter that, Mk 12 game is most expensive game. As someone who had to take close to 5 years to patiently assemble the parts for a spec Mk 12, it's hard for me to feel too sorry for people wanting to go 3/4 of a Mk 12 and still want to post their rifles in the thread. Most of thr last 5 years, I've had $50 a month to put towards parts. From my perspective, If people can drop $2-3K on a Mk 12 but don't want to get a legit scope for it, seems like they can wait to post pics of it. Just my $0 02 Then over 80% of this thread should stop posting as of this. There are extremely few truly correct rifles in this thread. I don't even have one. We really shouldn't do this again, I don't have the gas for it anymore. If we're going to play all or nothing and extend it to every single part for every picture posted in this thread, then anyone not running a Douglas and an A1 with the Mod specific glass would be picking up their toys and heading home. There's a difference between buying interim parts along the way and upgrading to correct when you get the scratch, and someone who decides they are keeping non-spec parts forever and never intend to change them out. We're not talking Vltor billet uppers or YHM suppressors here. We're talking glass that cost about 80% of the cost of a PRI Mk12 Mod 0 upper, or 64% of a completed Mk12 Mod 0 package from PRI. That's a lot of value to recoup for someone whos already been scrimping and saving. Parts can be replaced. Scopes can be upgraded. As long as there's clear intent to do so, it should be fine. This thread exists because us modern internet weenies have an innate need and desire to have some feedback and attention by posting our builds and getting words of encouragement. Many of us have succumbed to peer pressure to replace perfectly working Leupold 2.5-8s for TS30A2s, ditching leverstop #22s, replacing PRI SPR sleeves, buying AEM5s. No build here is perfect. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 7:54:54 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: <snip> We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By usnguns: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: I thought this was a clone thread? This. <snip> We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. A clone is a clone, and a bone is a bone. And if we don't get no clones, then we don't get no bones.  |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:00:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: To the experts- have we ever seen a Matech on a Mod 1 or only KAC? I dont recall seeing any except the dude that posted his clone a few pages back. I have 3 Matech's and 0 KAC rears and a severe lack of fundage. So although not likely, I have my fingers crossed. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:15:12 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Don't recall seeing a Matech, but you could always go "BUIS-less". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
To the experts- have we ever seen a Matech on a Mod 1 or only KAC? I dont recall seeing any except the dude that posted his clone a few pages back. I have 3 Matech's and 0 KAC rears and a severe lack of fundage. So although not likely, I have my fingers crossed. Thanks homie. 
I'll probably snag another 99051 and the KAC rear first because although expensive, way cheaper than glass. Just wish I had kept my taupe 99051 from my first Block 2. (What a dumbass for getting rid of) 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:17:54 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Correct glass is in his price range. He doesn't want correct glass. A clone is a clone, and a bone is a bone. And if we don't get no clones, then we don't get no bones. http://i.imgur.com/TUfyVfz.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By secretwheelman:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. <snip> We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. A clone is a clone, and a bone is a bone. And if we don't get no clones, then we don't get no bones. http://i.imgur.com/TUfyVfz.gif A TS-30 for $800? |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:34:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. I should probably just keep my mouth shut before I get in trouble. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:38:19 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns: Grumpy? Haha. Relax. This is the internet. There is a Black Friday sale on tissues of you want to keep crying. In other news....here's my new Mk12. Just waiting on payday to replace a few parts. http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151929_zpsyys3oitr.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns: Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: <snip> Grumpy? Haha. Relax. This is the internet. There is a Black Friday sale on tissues of you want to keep crying. In other news....here's my new Mk12. Just waiting on payday to replace a few parts. http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151929_zpsyys3oitr.jpg |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:40:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Grumpy? Haha. Relax. This is the internet. There is a Black Friday sale on tissues of you want to keep crying. In other news....here's my new Mk12. Just waiting on payday to replace a few parts. <a href="http://s1086.photobucket.com/user/usngm2sw/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151929_zpsyys3oitr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151929_zpsyys3oitr.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. Grumpy? Haha. Relax. This is the internet. There is a Black Friday sale on tissues of you want to keep crying. In other news....here's my new Mk12. Just waiting on payday to replace a few parts. <a href="http://s1086.photobucket.com/user/usngm2sw/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151929_zpsyys3oitr.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/usngm2sw/Mobile%20Uploads/1127151929_zpsyys3oitr.jpg</a> Well, actually you are kinda grumpy bro.
But you're still a saint for telling me where those Mk18 mod 0 lowers were as of 09 and what they were built with after they ran their mod 0 course. And sweet Mk12.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:42:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: secretwheelman]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: A TS-30 for $800? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Originally Posted By secretwheelman: Correct glass is in his price range. He doesn't want correct glass. A clone is a clone, and a bone is a bone. And if we don't get no clones, then we don't get no bones. http://i.imgur.com/TUfyVfz.gif A TS-30 for $800? I have 2 of 'em, and never broke that budget. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:44:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HaveBlue83]
[#39]
This page has AIDS.
Until every mofo in here gets at least an A1 lower (since thats what they actually used) with correct engravings on it this entire thread is fugged minus actual mk12 picts of actual mk12's in use. Every time i see a friggin "correct clone" its got some wiggity wack ass a2 lower and i lol at it when these SAME mofo's wanna come at me with their "ur scope is incorrect" bs. Dude i know EXACTLY what aint spec. Trust me it bugsoo. Lets just tear eachother apart. Fuck the fun of cloning and getting there. Fuck the sportsmanly like posting of picts of what we got so far. Lets all just gang up and hit this glass house of Mk. Lol Like i said, this place is really cut throat sometimes for ALL the wrong reasons. Notice i been away from the thread? Its cause its getting that time of the month in here for a fuggin pisaing match and i just dont give 2 shits anymore. My non hacker 16" army precision carbine SPR ar gets beat apart by dan on the daily, and i just. Dont. Care.Anymore. Lol. Someone needs to remove the mod H off the title if it rubbs people the wrong way that bad. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:58:46 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
This page has AIDS. Until every mofo in here gets at least an A1 lower (since thats what they actually used) with correct engravings on it this entire thread is fugged minus actual mk12 picts of actual mk12's in use. Every time i see a friggin "correct clone" its got some wiggity wack ass a2 lower and i lol at it when these SAME mofo's wanna come at me with their "ur scope is incorrect" bs. Lets just tear eachother apart. Fuck the fun of cloning and getting there. Fuck the sportsmanly like posting of picts of what we got so far. Lets all just gang up and hit this glass house of Mk. Lol Like i said, this place is really cut throat sometimes for ALL the wrong reasons. Notice i been away from the thread? Its cause its getting that time of the month in here for a fuggin pisaing match and i just dont give 2 shits anymore. My non hacker SPR ar gets beat apart by dan on the daily, and i just. Dont. Care. Anymore. Lol Happens in all the clone threads my man. Especially in Mk18/CQBR. Also Dan is Dan, we just have to accept that. (I think he ate paint chips as a kid)
As far as the glass convo, the route I have always taken when building clones is buying the closest part that I can, and TEMPORARILY using that part, until I can afford to snag the correct part. I don't see anything wrong with that in any thread, as long as the end goal is to end up with the correct part. And when I say this, I mean such as using a PRI sleeve until one can snag an A.R.M.S. swan sleeve, or a WOA/B.A. barrel until you can snag a Douglas etc. Not talking pencil Delton barrels here.
So even though this is my first Mk12 build, I have a bunch of clones under my belt and my vote is cut them some (at least temporary) slack if their end goal is "until I snag the correct part" and not so much "here's my finished Mk12 clone with a pencil profile Delton barrel and a UTG scope" which at that point it's not a clone of anything, and they should definitely GTFO |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:12:13 PM EDT
[#41]
My junk is far from finished and full of "temporary". Doesnt mean its disqualified from being in here and it doesn mean i will refrain from posting it. It just means i dont enjoy coming in here much anymore as its a pissing contest to see who is "less incorrect" lol.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:20:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
My junk is far from finished and full of "temporary". Doesnt mean its disqualified from being in here and it doesn mean i will refrain from posting it. It just means i dont enjoy coming in here much anymore as its a pissing contest to see who is "less incorrect" lol. Lolskis. Even though I'm not really into Holland's I like yours quite a bit, plus you're an entertaining dude so I vote you stay even if your glass does get you kicked off the island.
One love. Actually 2 loves. The M4A1 and Mk12 of your preference. 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:45:34 PM EDT
[#43]
My PRI tube came today. Does this require a proprietary wrench for the barrel nut?
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:49:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spermgewehr44:
My PRI tube came today. Does this require a proprietary wrench for the barrel nut? Standard USGI barrel nut wrench will work for the barrel nut. The locking collar for the forearm will need the proprietary wrench that's about $12. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:50:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Standard USGI barrel nut wrench will work for the barrel nut. The locking collar for the forearm will need the proprietary wrench that's about $12. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Originally Posted By spermgewehr44:
My PRI tube came today. Does this require a proprietary wrench for the barrel nut? Standard USGI barrel nut wrench will work for the barrel nut. The locking collar for the forearm will need the proprietary wrench that's about $12. Thanks. Strap wrench for the collar work? |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spermgewehr44:
Thanks. Strap wrench for the collar work? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spermgewehr44:
Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:
Originally Posted By spermgewehr44:
My PRI tube came today. Does this require a proprietary wrench for the barrel nut? Standard USGI barrel nut wrench will work for the barrel nut. The locking collar for the forearm will need the proprietary wrench that's about $12. Thanks. Strap wrench for the collar work? Never tried a strap wrench for it, always have used the proprietary wrench. Having said that, a strap wrench "may" work, but I can't say I recommend it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spermgewehr44: Thanks. Strap wrench for the collar work? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spermgewehr44: Originally Posted By JAR-SPR: Originally Posted By spermgewehr44: My PRI tube came today. Does this require a proprietary wrench for the barrel nut? Standard USGI barrel nut wrench will work for the barrel nut. The locking collar for the forearm will need the proprietary wrench that's about $12. Thanks. Strap wrench for the collar work? |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:50:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chenault]
[#48]
Can we not go full retard like the Mk18 thread. That thread used to be great, now to find anything useful out of that thread I have to read through three pages of what are you doing tonight bullshit.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Then over 80% of this thread should stop posting as of this. There are extremely few truly correct rifles in this thread. I don't even have one. We really shouldn't do this again, I don't have the gas for it anymore. If we're going to play all or nothing and extend it to every single part for every picture posted in this thread, then anyone not running a Douglas and an A1 with the Mod specific glass would be picking up their toys and heading home. There's a difference between buying interim parts along the way and upgrading to correct when you get the scratch, and someone who decides they are keeping non-spec parts forever and never intend to change them out. We're not talking Vltor billet uppers or YHM suppressors here. We're talking glass that cost about 80% of the cost of a PRI Mk12 Mod 0 upper, or 64% of a completed Mk12 Mod 0 package from PRI. That's a lot of value to recoup for someone whos already been scrimping and saving. Parts can be replaced. Scopes can be upgraded. As long as there's clear intent to do so, it should be fine. This thread exists because us modern internet weenies have an innate need and desire to have some feedback and attention by posting our builds and getting words of encouragement. Many of us have succumbed to peer pressure to replace perfectly working Leupold 2.5-8s for TS30A2s, ditching leverstop #22s, replacing PRI SPR sleeves, buying AEM5s. No build here is perfect. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By usnguns:
Originally Posted By secretwheelman:
I thought this was a clone thread? This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. I get what you're saying, but to counter that, Mk 12 game is most expensive game. As someone who had to take close to 5 years to patiently assemble the parts for a spec Mk 12, it's hard for me to feel too sorry for people wanting to go 3/4 of a Mk 12 and still want to post their rifles in the thread. Most of thr last 5 years, I've had $50 a month to put towards parts. From my perspective, If people can drop $2-3K on a Mk 12 but don't want to get a legit scope for it, seems like they can wait to post pics of it. Just my $0 02 Then over 80% of this thread should stop posting as of this. There are extremely few truly correct rifles in this thread. I don't even have one. We really shouldn't do this again, I don't have the gas for it anymore. If we're going to play all or nothing and extend it to every single part for every picture posted in this thread, then anyone not running a Douglas and an A1 with the Mod specific glass would be picking up their toys and heading home. There's a difference between buying interim parts along the way and upgrading to correct when you get the scratch, and someone who decides they are keeping non-spec parts forever and never intend to change them out. We're not talking Vltor billet uppers or YHM suppressors here. We're talking glass that cost about 80% of the cost of a PRI Mk12 Mod 0 upper, or 64% of a completed Mk12 Mod 0 package from PRI. That's a lot of value to recoup for someone whos already been scrimping and saving. Parts can be replaced. Scopes can be upgraded. As long as there's clear intent to do so, it should be fine. This thread exists because us modern internet weenies have an innate need and desire to have some feedback and attention by posting our builds and getting words of encouragement. Many of us have succumbed to peer pressure to replace perfectly working Leupold 2.5-8s for TS30A2s, ditching leverstop #22s, replacing PRI SPR sleeves, buying AEM5s. No build here is perfect. I'm not trying to be clone police or poop on peoples' rifles. I really don't care about Gen 3 Mod 0's w/ PRI Swan sleeves, A2 lowers, non-lever stops, and other small things. However, the signature things that make the rifles what they are--scopes, muzzle brakes, rails, suppressors, scopes, seem like they should be the bare minimum. People seem to be going full straw man by acting like it's unreasonable to have minimum standards, when everyone knows there are rifles that don't belong. Again, just my opinion. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049: I'm not trying to be clone police or poop on peoples' rifles. I really don't care about Gen 3 Mod 0's w/ PRI Swan sleeves, A2 lowers, non-lever stops, and other small things. However, the signature things that make the rifles what they are--scopes, muzzle brakes, rails, suppressors, scopes, seem like they should be the bare minimum. People seem to be going full straw man by acting like it's unreasonable to have minimum standards, when everyone knows there are rifles that don't belong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049: Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: This. Yes. And clone threads are expensive. Not everyone's ready to walk out and rock 100% clone correct parts in one fell swoop. While some of our regulars in here are still single, no kids, awesome paying jobs, etc., not everyone else is. Being able to drop $1200-$1400 on a TS-30A2 may be something that takes all year to justify. Hell, I put my fams in a pretty tight space by buying the early upper from KOBK earlier this year. All that happened right around when I lost a job, and took a lower paying one. Sometimes it's not just about having the cash ready to roll, but having enough to be able to pay it and not just go "oh shit my car broke and I'm fucked", and have to resell that same thing for less money because everyone in the EE wants to pay bottom price for stuff. I'm just trying to put cloning in perspective here. It can be done many ways. Yes, some people can do it quickly and correctly all in one swoop. It's the expensive way, but some of you guys are able to drop $4000+ bucks without blinking. Some of us put more of our money into some more correct parts, only to deplete the warchest. But, you've got a shootable rifle and want to enjoy it. I absolutely get folks wanting to pick up budget glass so they can actually get out and shoot their $2k-$3k rifle they just finished. I don't see that as a problem. Hell, I understand putting a "wrong" can on while you wait for an AEM5 to clear or to save up for one. I'd rather shoot a suppressed rifle with the wrong can than a correct Ops brake any day. We all know this is a clone thread. But I'd rather folks get out and shoot their hard earned rifles than sit around with no glass all year because someone else in the thread is grumpy, and gets offended by seeing a Mark AR, Vortex, or God forbid a Bushnell in this thread. Shoot first, get the correct glass later. I'm not trying to be clone police or poop on peoples' rifles. I really don't care about Gen 3 Mod 0's w/ PRI Swan sleeves, A2 lowers, non-lever stops, and other small things. However, the signature things that make the rifles what they are--scopes, muzzle brakes, rails, suppressors, scopes, seem like they should be the bare minimum. People seem to be going full straw man by acting like it's unreasonable to have minimum standards, when everyone knows there are rifles that don't belong. You contradicted yourself by saying you dont wanna be clone pilice and then giving out YOUR own standards for an acceptable clone..... If you are saying an a2 lower is less of a big deal than an incorrect optic....and this one thing is less incorrect than another.....well frankly wrong is wrong. U cannot be half wrong. So if you have an a2 lower mk12 clone and you are riding the chaps of someone with a bushnell optic.....then you frankly dont have a leg to stand on. Both clones have incorrect parts. Do we ban both or accept that both are on different levels of correctness because of parts availability and cost? we should critique less.........harshly. if you wanna go full tilt concourse stlye judged rifles in here....well be prepared to feel the heat from anyone. Chenault, i am SO down for a happy mk12 page. Id post mine since this is a pic thread but remember its not clone correct so .........LOL. |
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