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Posted: 9/7/2009 9:57:41 AM EDT
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Del-Ton all guns 750.00. Seriously? No I'm not referring to the price. Delton is a budget brand, I thought this was indisputable until now. Not knocking them or saying they're junk, but I don't think they qualify as the best compromise of price vs quality. Intarweb experience, or actual experience with them? For most shooters, they're a fine rifle and good bang for the buck. Actual experience. I had 2 M4 kits from them with the following issues: TD detent springs were too long BCG's both had bolts with TD detent springs in place of ejector springs so they would not chamber a round Ramps didn't line up so well on one upper I have to agree with UBB... Delton and DPMS are in the same category, budget brands. Budget brand is just a nice way of saying cheap. Best value implies the optimal trade-off of price vs quality. While DPMS and Delton are definitely some of the least expensive yet pretty reliable rifles out there that doesn't make them the best value; they're simply cheap. So far we've got: Sabre w/ Cav Arms lower $795 Sabre M4 $990 I'd call them to confirm because a 14.5"+A2 is still a SBR M&P15 for $962 Spike's M4 for $950 CMMG M4LE BCM middy $1134 |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:08:56 AM EDT
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Del-Ton all guns 750.00. Seriously? No I'm not referring to the price. Delton is a budget brand, I thought this was indisputable until now. Not knocking them or saying they're junk, but I don't think they qualify as the best compromise of price vs quality. Intarweb experience, or actual experience with them? For most shooters, they're a fine rifle and good bang for the buck. Actual experience. I had 2 M4 kits from them with the following issues: TD detent springs were too long BCG's both had bolts with TD detent springs in place of ejector springs so they would not chamber a round Ramps didn't line up so well on one upper I have to agree with UBB... Delton and DPMS are in the same category, budget brands. Budget brand is just a nice way of saying cheap. Best value implies the optimal trade-off of price vs quality. While DPMS and Delton are definitely some of the least expensive yet pretty reliable rifles out there that doesn't make them the best value; they're simply cheap. So far we've got: Sabre M&P Spike's CMMG BCM I was actually advocating for DPMS rifles being a GOOD value. I have owned a couple. There is nothing about my AP4 that says 'CHEAP' aside from maybe the trigger. JMO |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:12:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:15:11 AM EDT
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So far we've got: Sabre w/ Cav Arms lower $795 Sabre M4 $990 I'd call them to confirm because a 14.5"+A2 is still a SBR M&P15 for $962 Spike's M4 for $950 CMMG M4LE BCM middy $1134 I'd add the Colt 6920 to that list, since right now they're easily found for under $1200, and in fact can be found for about $1100 with a little bit of looking. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:19:08 AM EDT
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I was actually advocating for DPMS rifles being a GOOD value. I have owned a couple. There is nothing about my AP4 that says 'CHEAP' aside from maybe the trigger. JMO DPMS makes a decent rifle, but there are better choices for not much more money. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:26:11 AM EDT
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I was actually advocating for DPMS rifles being a GOOD value. I have owned a couple. There is nothing about my AP4 that says 'CHEAP' aside from maybe the trigger. JMO DPMS makes a decent rifle, but there are better choices for not much more money. I guess it depends on what your definition of "not much more money" is. A person can get a DPMS for under $750 in my neck of the woods last time I checked. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:44:24 AM EDT
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I was actually advocating for DPMS rifles being a GOOD value. I have owned a couple. There is nothing about my AP4 that says 'CHEAP' aside from maybe the trigger. JMO DPMS makes a decent rifle, but there are better choices for not much more money. I guess it depends on what your definition of "not much more money" is. A person can get a DPMS for under $750 in my neck of the woods last time I checked. For an entry-level budget rifle, DPMS makes a good product and $750 is not a bad deal. But value isn't just price, and DPMS (like many other brands) takes shortcuts with materials and QC. That's why the price is lower. I suppose it depends on where you want to be on the price vs. quality scale. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 6:12:34 PM EDT
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So far we've got: Sabre w/ Cav Arms lower $795 Sabre M4 $990 I'd call them to confirm because a 14.5"+A2 is still a SBR M&P15 for $962 Spike's M4 for $950 CMMG M4LE BCM middy $1134 I'd add the Colt 6920 to that list, since right now they're easily found for under $1200, and in fact can be found for about $1100 with a little bit of looking. You can get that M&P15 for $935 delivered on GunBroker believe it or not, I was just looking at them there. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 6:43:57 PM EDT
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I was just looking at Buds Gun Shop and he has some great prices on Colts...
Looks like some are california guns...search on there for Colt... Buds Gun Shop More here... |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 10:07:14 PM EDT
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Thanks all. No price range in mind, just trying to get the best bang for buck. The Bravo looks interesting for the money. I really just want the rifle to be mil spec and will pay 1100- 1400 if I need to. Thanks BCM. If specs are what you're after BCM and Colt are clearly at the top of the list. See "The Chart". While you can find a Colt for pretty much the same price as a BCM some places, in the customer service department BCM gets the nod and of course there's the whole lifetime warranty thing. |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:09:08 PM EDT
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BCM. Reference the M4 chart. Best material quality & quality control w/ best price among the top three. Get a chrome middy.
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:21:39 PM EDT
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Armalite
Has most of the features of the higher end models, but with the price tag of the lower end, yet its amazing quality. LINK |
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Posted: 9/7/2009 11:39:11 PM EDT
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Colt 6920 and DD XV-M4 for the closest-to-milspec type rifles, but only at gunshow prices, not at $1300+. If you want an AR that holds value, KAC by far.
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