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View Quote Thanks. Somehow I didn't see the MOE handguard one when I looked at Brownell's. |
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Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Yep, the marines fucked up by forcing that A2 length stock on us. Yep, a rifle doesn't clear a house as easy as an SBR. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14: Yep, the marines fucked up by forcing that A2 length stock on us. Yep, a rifle doesn't clear a house as easy as an SBR. coldblue: The only part of the A2 program I regret was the longer buttstock, that ironically the Army's Human Engineering Lab endorsed; and of course the 3-round burst control. The M16A1 buttstock length was unchanged as we switched to the more modern and many times stronger Du Pont Zytel material. It was subsequent input from the Army's Human Engineering Laboratory (HEL) that prompted the length increase. HEL actually had data supporting almost a one inch increase, but the existing Arms Room M12 Rifle Racks would not accept more than the 5/8" increase we applied to the new stock. Incidentally, we also increased the depth of the cleaning kit void formed in its foam fill the 5/8" as well. |
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I'm sorry if the above info makes no sense. I'm kind of an idiot.
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What models of Aimpoints are useable with a clone M16A4?
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Sorry to ask a dumb question.
I know GDI mounts have been used on Acogs. Have they ever been used/issued with Comp M2s? For $60 they are an absolute steal. |
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Originally Posted By von_landstuhl: I’ve only seen the CompM4 and CompM4s. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By von_landstuhl: Originally Posted By retrohead2: What models of Aimpoints are useable with a clone M16A4? I’ve only seen the CompM4 and CompM4s. Most Army A4s were equipped with M68 / CompM2s back when I saw them in 2005-2006. I've posted this first photo of my rifle before in this thread, and I think I posted the second photo (cropped from a larger shot of me) also but can't find the page it was on. Both were taken in Baghdad in April/May 2005. Don't mind the way-to-clean DCUs in that second one... Attached File Attached File |
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I just noticed something odd in some of the photos of FN A4s that I've saved over the years. It looks like some early rifles were missing the "3" from the FN CAGE code, 3S679, so they were just marked "S679." Anyone ever come across that before? I don't recall it coming up in discussion here, but I might have missed it in all these pages. Wonder if that was just a manufacturing error.
FNMI SN 1010611: Attached File FNMI SN 1011836 (a little small, you may have to download and blow it up to see it): Attached File FNMI SN 10151178: Attached File I'm a little uncertain about those first two images. They appear to be real A4s, but I thought all the FN serial numbers started in the 8-digit range, instead of 7 like those two. |
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Originally Posted By Molon: That's what you found odd about that 3rd picture? Not the fact that the bolt catch is being held in by an allen wrech?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: I just noticed something odd in some of the photos of FN A4s that I've saved over the years. It looks like some early rifles were missing the "3" from the FN CAGE code, 3S679, so they were just marked "S679." FNMI SN 10151178: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/FN_M16A4_SN_10151178_jpg-2268191.JPG That's what you found odd about that 3rd picture? Not the fact that the bolt catch is being held in by an allen wrech?? Ha! Yeah, I guess I've looked at that photo so many times that I gave up trying to figure that one out! |
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FN A2s should be in the 7mil range and A4s in the 10mil range for SNs.
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: https://i.postimg.cc/gkDmGnPy/Screenshot-20220215-174219.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MKxzk1gK/Screenshot-20220215-174852.jpg View Quote First time I've seen pics of the Army using A4s with ACOGs |
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83: https://i.postimg.cc/gkDmGnPy/Screenshot-20220215-174219.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MKxzk1gK/Screenshot-20220215-174852.jpg View Quote The one on the left with car stock and variable power optic is interesting. |
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So I have added the correct ACOG to my A4 and a Steiner DBAL D2. Have a Surefire M600 1000 lumen Scout that will be here tomorrow. I want to order the best sling setup next. I’m not concerned with clone correctness, but rather the best setup. So I’m torn between the Specter 3 point SOP sling and the Blue Force Gear Vickers sling with the A2 butt stock adapter. Not sure I want a stock mag pouch, hell this setup is getting too heavy already. So let me hear which is better and why.
Pic thread: Attached File Thanks, ARKAR |
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Originally Posted By ARKAR: So I have added the correct ACOG to my A4 and a Steiner DBAL D2. Have a Surefire M600 1000 lumen Scout that will be here tomorrow. I want to order the best sling setup next. I’m not concerned with clone correctness, but rather the best setup. So I’m torn between the Specter 3 point SOP sling and the Blue Force Gear Vickers sling with the A2 butt stock adapter. Not sure I want a stock mag pouch, hell this setup is getting too heavy already. So let me hear which is better and why. Pic thread: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50570/960E8867-8855-4D12-80DD-F36C4373DA82_jpe-2281291.JPG Thanks, ARKAR View Quote I landed on the Vickers sling and butt stock adapter after several attempts with other set-ups. I also use a BFG sling loop on the A2 post, it's not clone correct but it beats duct taping the sling to the top of the rifle. I was issued a 3 point sling and I loathed it. Good luck and post up what ya go with! |
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The Vickers is what I decided to go with as well. The only reason I haven’t ordered is now I’m thinking of changing the A2 stock to the Vltor A5 setup. I hate to loose the classic look but the A2 is just almost too long. I swapped the lower with my M4/SOPMOD stock lower and it’s much more comfortable but just looks so wrong(even though I’m not really into aesthetics). I have the Vickers slings in two other rifles and really like them. Which rear adapter did you go with? The one that blocks the trap door or the other. Thank you for your feedback, that’s really what I wanted to hear.
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Its getting there. VFG is otw.
Probably going to put an aimpoint pro on it w/ correct mount. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ARKAR: The Vickers is what I decided to go with as well. The only reason I haven’t ordered is now I’m thinking of changing the A2 stock to the Vltor A5 setup. I hate to loose the classic look but the A2 is just almost too long. I swapped the lower with my M4/SOPMOD stock lower and it’s much more comfortable but just looks so wrong(even though I’m not really into aesthetics). I have the Vickers slings in two other rifles and really like them. Which rear adapter did you go with? The one that blocks the trap door or the other. Thank you for your feedback, that’s really what I wanted to hear. ARKAR View Quote A suggestion about that stock, that I am going to pursue myself is to find an A1 length stock. I find mine could be shortened up as well, didnt recall that on my issued rifles though. Yes I got the one that blocks the trap door, we cut and then sewed velco on our A4s to have access to it but now I dont have to have it. No biggie. I took mine out back today, I have developed a major case of SUCK past 100 meters with iron sights |
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Pulled out the jammy, aimed it at the sky
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Have you ever seen a Colt Canada CS stock? It’s an A1 length stock made of the same material and uses the same butt plate as the A2.
Edit: Sent you an IM. |
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Originally Posted By ARKAR: Have you ever seen a Colt Canada CS stock? It’s an A1 length stock made of the same material and uses the same butt plate as the A2. Edit: Sent you an IM. View Quote I havent, I'm shopping tonight though so I'll look. I may be on the ACOG train sooner than later. Edit to add, thanks for the IM and for costing me more money |
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Pulled out the jammy, aimed it at the sky
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WTB: Tactical Link EBAL Black
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The Colt CS stock is the stock that everyone wants/needs that no one will make... https://www.apexgunparts.com/colt-cs-m16a2-buttstock-assy-w-early-buffer-gd.html
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Cav Arms makes one but the quality isn’t as good as the CS stock. I just can’t bring myself to give that much for a used CS.
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Originally Posted By ARKAR: Cav Arms makes one but the quality isn’t as good as the CS stock. I just can’t bring myself to give that much for a used CS. View Quote I think the Cav stock would be perfect IF they did away with the wide open slot for the sling swivel and filled the plastic stock body with hard closed cell foam with a hollow for a cleaning kit compartment. At that point it would finally be what it should have been the whole time. |
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Mine has an A1 stock, I’m about 5’9” and really don’t like A2 stocks. This feels just right!
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Originally Posted By w0lfattack: My attempt at a USMC M16A4 clone. I didn’t realize how expensive this all was going to be. 🤡 Colt AR15A4 Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-A4 KAC M5 RAS - Vero KAC Vertical Grip - Vero KAC Rail Covers - Vero Surefire M962 w/red filter OKC 3S Bayonet Cav Mfg C1 Stock (Give me a break, I got short arms and that eye relief is brutal. 😅) https://i.imgur.com/22InfJt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EhAfs1I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/a6HVrOK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HGNVIaP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WGKpvMa.jpg View Quote Nicely done! |
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Originally Posted By w0lfattack: My attempt at a USMC M16A4 clone. I didn’t realize how expensive this all was going to be. 🤡 Colt AR15A4 Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-A4 KAC M5 RAS - Vero KAC Vertical Grip - Vero KAC Rail Covers - Vero Surefire M962 w/red filter OKC 3S Bayonet Cav Mfg C1 Stock (Give me a break, I got short arms and that eye relief is brutal. 😅) https://i.imgur.com/22InfJt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EhAfs1I.jpg https://i.imgur.com/a6HVrOK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HGNVIaP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WGKpvMa.jpg View Quote This is my finish line! Well done! I'll get there soon I hope. |
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Pulled out the jammy, aimed it at the sky
He yelled "stick em up" and let two fly. |
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Is the Matech the only clone correct folding rear sight or were KACs also issued?
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This thread may answer your question: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Questions_about_the_M16A4/118-688916/?page=1
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“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.” - Gen. George S. Patton
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Is there any correct suppressors for a m16a4?
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A smart man only believes half of what he hears, a wise man knows which half.
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Originally Posted By starjammir: In the service? View Quote They were small buys from various Army and USMC units - NT4 was more common - but the Halo was ready for M4s and M16s without the KAC hider. Halo has an NSN somewhere. ETA: 1005-LL-MC9-2936 - SUPPRESSOR HALO 5.56 GEMTECH 1005-01-633-1951 - GEMTECH GMT-HALO 5.56 SUPPRESSOR Attached File Chatter in the M4 thread |
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Grab an ACOG and you’re set!
Attached File COLT FIREARMS A4 AR-15 RIFLE .223 / 5.56 NATO 20-INCH 30RD |
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Originally Posted By ARKAR: Cav Arms makes one but the quality isn’t as good as the CS stock. I just can’t bring myself to give that much for a used CS. View Quote What does CS stand for again? Now that I built a spare m16a2, I need to build an m16a4. Anyone got pointers on a clone correct barrel? |
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Attached File Attached File Ohio Ordnance FN surplus upper with Knights M5, F stamped upper with no M4 cuts, cage code button broached barrel, PSA A4 lower, A1 stock, Larue MBT, TAG sling, TA31 on a Larue LT799 surplus mount, forward mounted GSG flip up rear sight, Surefire Scout on RM45 offset mount, Colt M7 bayonet Was thinking of selling it, might just keep it. Iphone/arfcom keeps rotating my pics. |
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Nice looking gun !
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Trying to find a FDE mag pouch that matches my A4 I had in Iraq. It had a velcro patch that went over the flap that close over the mag.
The only other thing I need is a tan ATPIAL with black buttons & lens covers. Not sure if I'll ever be able to find that. |
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USMC simulated combat training at Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center
Twentynine Palms, CA in October 2019 Attached File USMC SWAT Team Attached File |
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