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Posted: 10/15/2019 7:53:46 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c:
I can finally contribute to one of these threads. About 95% to where I want it. Just finished building out the lower (the lower itself is the only thing not correct, if I could get my hands on the proper FN lower I'd fix it) Everything else is genuine FN or KAC. https://i.imgur.com/E3kzEWu.jpg |
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Posted: 10/15/2019 10:52:46 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c:
I can finally contribute to one of these threads. About 95% to where I want it. Just finished building out the lower (the lower itself is the only thing not correct, if I could get my hands on the proper FN lower I'd fix it) Everything else is genuine FN or KAC. https://i.imgur.com/E3kzEWu.jpg What LPK did you use? |
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Posted: 10/15/2019 5:30:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fordtough25: Nice build, have you shot it yet? An M16a4 clone with an acog is a joy to shoot at distance or fairly close, solid rifle! |
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Posted: 10/15/2019 5:33:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: Nice build. What LPK did you use? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2019 12:57:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stizout]
[#5]
My finalized modern USMC M16A4 clone. Here is my current setup: FN M16 Collector Rifle, FN Ambi-Selector, Norgon Ambi-Catch, Geissele SSA trigger, USMC marked/issued KAC BUIS, and M7 RCO TA31USN-M855 (this is the new issued RCO with the Horseshoe reticle) on the correct Larue LT799 mount.
DISCLAIMER: This USMC KAC BUIS was legally purchased as part of FN's limited edition of 200 rifles. 
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2019 1:28:20 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: @Stizout your pics aren't showing for me |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2019 2:10:20 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
My finalized modern USMC M16A4 clone. Here is my current setup: FN M16 Collector Rifle, FN Ambi-Selector, Norgon Ambi-Catch, Geissele SSA trigger, USMC marked/issued KAC BUIS, and M7 RCO TA31USN-M855 (this is the new issued RCO with the Horseshoe reticle) on the correct Larue LT799 mount. DISCLAIMER: This USMC KAC BUIS was legally purchased as part of FN's limited edition of 200 rifles. https://i.ibb.co/93TgvQJ/74532760-10161208685993682-6603292487073136640-o.jpg https://i.ibb.co/CMc5mNN/72477943-10161208686383682-1267850354091884544-o.jpg https://i.ibb.co/q5Jbks6/71828255-10161186476148682-7292367857403297792-o.jpg Nice A4! |
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Posted: 10/18/2019 2:56:39 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
Better? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
Originally Posted By cone256: @Stizout your pics aren't showing for me |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2019 3:35:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Stizout]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: Looking to pick up one of those new RCO's eventually. I've seen pics of them with the reticle diagram on the side, is that an early one? Nice A4! 
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2019 3:40:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: Yup! |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:02:22 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
My finalized modern USMC M16A4 clone. Here is my current setup: FN M16 Collector Rifle, FN Ambi-Selector, Norgon Ambi-Catch, Geissele SSA trigger, USMC marked/issued KAC BUIS, and M7 RCO TA31USN-M855 (this is the new issued RCO with the Horseshoe reticle) on the correct Larue LT799 mount. DISCLAIMER: This USMC KAC BUIS was legally purchased as part of FN's limited edition of 200 rifles. https://i.ibb.co/93TgvQJ/74532760-10161208685993682-6603292487073136640-o.jpg https://i.ibb.co/CMc5mNN/72477943-10161208686383682-1267850354091884544-o.jpg https://i.ibb.co/q5Jbks6/71828255-10161186476148682-7292367857403297792-o.jpg |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:17:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: C6H12O6]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
So what do you think? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
So what do you think? Where’d you get the Larue mount? Originally Posted By mdavis:
I need to find a LaRue 622 SDO or 799 mount. Wish LaRue would do a special run of them for us clone folk. Until then I’ll stick with my GDI R-Com (E) that I got for like $35 a couple years ago. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:40:34 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
So what do you think? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stizout:
Originally Posted By cone256: Yup! 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:01:08 AM EDT
[#15]
I just scored one of the NOS FN military A4 uppers with rail and matech.......if you guys are looking for the real deal upper you better snag them before they disappear
 I always miss the good shit so just a friendly reminder 
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/21/2019 10:10:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6:
I’m not the guy you asked but I think it looks awesome. Where’d you get the Larue mount? This Until then I’ll stick with my GDI R-Com (E) that I got for like $35 a couple years ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6:
Originally Posted By Stizout:
So what do you think? Where’d you get the Larue mount? Originally Posted By mdavis:
I need to find a LaRue 622 SDO or 799 mount. Wish LaRue would do a special run of them for us clone folk. Until then I’ll stick with my GDI R-Com (E) that I got for like $35 a couple years ago. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:24:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CMCctx]
[#17]
Needs to lose and gain a few parts, but the transition is going well! Excuse the grip pod. I hate it on every other rifle and I figured it might work as a stand in until I get everything else. Then I remembered why it always finds its way back to the parts box.
https://imgur.com/a/1cL0gZj 
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Posted: 10/24/2019 10:19:01 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx:
Needs to lose and gain a few parts, but the transition is going well! Excuse the grip pod. I hate it on every other rifle and I figured it might work as a stand in until I get everything else. Then I remembered why it always finds its way back to the parts box. https://imgur.com/a/1cL0gZj https://imgur.com/a/1cL0gZj  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/4/2019 12:00:10 AM EDT
[#19]
A4 inspired build
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2019 7:45:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: retroguy]
[#20]
Okay, someone PLEASE help me decide on my Army version A4 optic. I read an Army A4 should normally wear an Aimpoint Comp M2/M68 Close Combat Optic, but I also read some Army A4s used the Trijicon ACOG TA31RCO-A4 version. I am hereby confused. TIA.
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Posted: 11/4/2019 9:26:09 PM EDT
[#21]
From my experience, Army M16s were usually equipped with M68s. Front line Infantry and Cavalry units were always the priority for fielding M4s, and the ACOGs also went to those units. The Army just doesn’t have enough ACOGs to go around. For example, even in an Infantry battalion nowadays, while the headquarters company has M4s, almost all of them use M68s, because the ACOGs are down in the rifle companies. Support units with M16s were a lower priority. I’m sure there were M16A4s in the Army with ACOGs, but the M68 would be commonly seen on them. In the end, both are possible, so go with the one you prefer.
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Posted: 11/4/2019 11:03:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
From my experience, Army M16s were usually equipped with M68s. Front line Infantry and Cavalry units were always the priority for fielding M4s, and the ACOGs also went to those units. The Army just doesn’t have enough ACOGs to go around. For example, even in an Infantry battalion nowadays, while the headquarters company has M4s, almost all of them use M68s, because the ACOGs are down in the rifle companies. Support units with M16s were a lower priority. I’m sure there were M16A4s in the Army with ACOGs, but the M68 would be commonly seen on them. In the end, both are possible, so go with the one you prefer. |
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Posted: 11/8/2019 3:58:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Mine had an Aimpoint in the Army as well
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Posted: 11/9/2019 9:40:11 PM EDT
[#24]
Putting it to work today. ACOG was bright and clear at before sunrise in the predawn.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2019 10:15:19 AM EDT
[#25]
Good shooting CD!
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Posted: 11/10/2019 10:37:00 PM EDT
[#26]
CD,
to be able to do that - that's my dream (providing for family). Picture  A4 Clone by SoloDallas, on Flickr
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Posted: 11/10/2019 11:44:48 PM EDT
[#27]
Nicely done CD!
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Posted: 11/11/2019 3:21:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Random question CD, what lowers do you normally run to include your A4 build? Just curious.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2019 1:05:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightWhoSaysNi:
Random question CD, what lowers do you normally run to include your A4 build? Just curious. 
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Posted: 11/11/2019 8:22:30 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KnightWhoSaysNi:
Random question CD, what lowers do you normally run to include your A4 build? Just curious. CD |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2019 8:31:33 PM EDT
[#31]
Backstraps, tenderloins... mmmmm
#1 grand-son gives 2x thumbs-up |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2019 10:29:12 AM EDT
[#32]
Not sure it passes muster as a clone, but definitely heavily inspired. I wanted an A4gery, but with some "improvements" for my comfort, namely the A1 stock. Should be a fairly solid KISS rifle.
http://imgur.com/a/joOAp8F FN Upper Colt carry handle Colt A1 Type E stock (W/Colt A2 plate) DD LPK DD foregrip PSA stealth lower. I'm trying to find the mag pouch that fits on the stock and mounts a sling, but I cant figure who makes it. If you guys can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Thoughts & comments? |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 11:39:24 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zWarlord:
Not sure it passes muster as a clone, but definitely heavily inspired. I wanted an A4gery, but with some "improvements" for my comfort, namely the A1 stock. Should be a fairly solid KISS rifle. http://imgur.com/a/joOAp8F FN Upper Colt carry handle Colt A1 Type E stock (W/Colt A2 plate) DD LPK DD foregrip PSA stealth lower. I'm trying to find the mag pouch that fits on the stock and mounts a sling, but I cant figure who makes it. If you guys can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Thoughts & comments? |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 7:12:59 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Currently have a Anderson on it until PSA comes out with a M16A4 lower. Upper is all FN. CD 888-426-6624 or [email protected]  Attached File Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:42:26 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Check out Specter Gear for the sling and mag pouch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5:
Originally Posted By zWarlord:
Not sure it passes muster as a clone, but definitely heavily inspired. I wanted an A4gery, but with some "improvements" for my comfort, namely the A1 stock. Should be a fairly solid KISS rifle. http://imgur.com/a/joOAp8F FN Upper Colt carry handle Colt A1 Type E stock (W/Colt A2 plate) DD LPK DD foregrip PSA stealth lower. I'm trying to find the mag pouch that fits on the stock and mounts a sling, but I cant figure who makes it. If you guys can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Thoughts & comments? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2019 8:59:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Outlaws]
[#36]
This isn't really a "clone" upper as it's a legit surplus M16A4 upper for my clone build. Got the upper from Ohio Ordnance. Just came FedEx today.
Lots of pics of markings. They still have some in stock. 
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Posted: 12/1/2019 7:12:23 PM EDT
[#37]
Absolutely stunning pictures.
Are they yours or the shop's? If yours, please disclose camera, lens and lights? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/2/2019 11:23:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoloDallas:
Absolutely stunning pictures. Are they yours or the shop's? If yours, please disclose camera, lens and lights? |
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Posted: 12/3/2019 2:07:37 AM EDT
[#39]
24-70 II!!! Hail shallow depth of field (terrific captures)!
(thanks for telling) |
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Posted: 12/3/2019 5:04:49 AM EDT
[#40]
On a clone kick lately, loving the old school stuff. Have an FN 14.5in repro upper en route as well for my next build.
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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:06:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outlaws:
This isn't really a "clone" upper as it's a legit surplus M16A4 upper for my clone build. Got the upper from Ohio Ordnance. Just came FedEx today. Lots of pics of markings. They still have some in stock. I bought one from the previous batch that came with a carrying handle and "MILSPEC" (not FN) BCG and charging handle. Everything looked brand new on mine, with just one issue. About 6 months after I received it, I finally removed the carrying handle and discovered a minor (but strange) ding in the last rail slot on top of the upper. It kind of looks like someone dented it with the threads of a screw, but it doesn't line up with the bolt on the carrying handle (which shouldn't be exposed in that location anyway). Not really sure what happened, but I'm just going to throw some Aluma Black on it to coat it, since it will be covered by the rear sight anyway. It bugs me to find a ding on a new piece of gear, but it's mostly just kind of funny that I didn't notice it for months.  Attached File |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:09:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
Fantastic photos! Thanks for posting them - they really provide a good look at one of these surplus uppers. I bought one from the previous batch that came with a carrying handle and "MILSPEC" (not FN) BCG and charging handle. Everything looked brand new on mine, with just one issue. About 6 months after I received it, I finally removed the carrying handle and discovered a minor (but strange) ding in the last rail slot on top of the upper. It kind of looks like someone dented it with the threads of a screw, but it doesn't line up with the bolt on the carrying handle (which shouldn't be exposed in that location anyway). Not really sure what happened, but I'm just going to throw some Aluma Black on it to coat it, since it will be covered by the rear sight anyway. It bugs me to find a ding on a new piece of gear, but it's mostly just kind of funny that I didn't notice it for months. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27888/FN_M16A4_Upper_Ding_JPG-1184176.JPG |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:14:39 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64:
Maybe had a Matech sight on it before |
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USA
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:11:48 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
That's a possibility, but it had some much oil between the carrying handle and top rail that I figured it must have come from the factory with the carrying handle installed. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2019 12:03:34 PM EDT
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Trying to make the furniture on my A4 clone a bit more correct and I just have a quick Q on pistol grips -
Were FN grips (# F marked) the standard grip on the war-era FN A4's? I have an FN USGI upper with no M4 feed ramps and no M4 stamp on front of receiver, so the OP seems to suggest that's an early A4 upper. I wanted to make a war-era clone but I have grips that could fit any era: A circle 4 marked shiny Colt thick A2 grip, a 2 F marked FN grip (not sure if these were only for A2s or if they appeared on FN A4's), and a chalky grey F4 marked Colt grip (which I believe are seen on post-2010 A4's, not sure if they appeared on FN A4's though). |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 5:15:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c:
I had this exact thing happen to me as well. Same thread markings and same “so much oil” between the carry handle and upper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c:
I had this exact thing happen to me as well. Same thread markings and same “so much oil” between the carry handle and upper. Originally Posted By mb44kar:
Were FN grips (# F marked) the standard grip on the war-era FN A4's? I have an FN USGI upper with no M4 feed ramps and no M4 stamp on front of receiver, so the OP seems to suggest that's an early A4 upper. I'm not sure that anyone has established when (or even definitively, if) FN started putting M4 feed ramps of M16A4s. I think that's come up a few times in this thread. If you look at the example that Outlaws posted photos of above, that barrel has a 2012 date stamped on it, and it has rifle feed ramps. I would consider rifle feed ramps to be a feature of the "standard" (not "early") A4 upper, and if there was such thing as a "late" A4 upper with M4 feedramps, they were much less common. I believe this part of the OP is inaccurate - they certainly didn't have M4 feedramps as late as 2012, as shown in the photos above: True A4 barrel assemblies having "M4" feed ramped barrel extensions & "F"-marked (detachable carry handle height) front sight bases.
Flat top "M" or "M4" marked upper receivers incorporating "M4" feed ramps. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2019 10:37:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mb44kar]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
You can't go wrong with using an FN grip. You're kind of asking an impossible question, because I don't think anyone is going to be able to definitively say if there was a wholesale change in the grips that were used. Of course there were probably examples of A4s that received replacement pistol grips with other markings (from other suppliers) over the course of the rifles' service lives, but without having access to FN manufacturing records, no one will be able to say if the FN A4 they were issued that had a "Colt" grip was a unique rifle or one of a large batch that was delivered with that grip. Thanks for your input. |
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Posted: 12/6/2019 12:43:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3ACR_Scout]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mb44kar:
I had a feeling this was the general consensus on such a trivial matter, but was holding out hope that some veterans remembered at least some cursory details about their grips. In some cases, I've been able to go back through old photos and zoom in on them to see some of the variations, but unfortunately not on my A4. I'd love to know what forge mark was on the upper and what style of lower forging it had (built by FN in '04), but it's been hard to find photos of A4s with confirmed serial numbers or manufacturing dates to line up those sorts of details. |
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Posted: 12/9/2019 11:52:43 PM EDT
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Having some trouble with the vickers sling. I like to keep my sling where I can easily make a hasty sling for standing shots. When I get the correct length with the adjuster "closed" or forward its correct but when I pull or "open" it I cant fit my shoulder to the rear of the buttstock because I dont have enough slack . I can only wear it over my neck. Is this the usual ?
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