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I really wanted the Yoter, but my budget made the clip-on Hogster my go-to-choice.
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I had a member of a Forum ask me to record a video where the animals were at further distances and use digital zoom and pause on each level for awhile with my prototype Super Yoter R (SY). They wanted to get a better feel for how well it handles digital zoom. I recently went out and recorded the following video. My advice for anyone looking for a thermal is to get a thermal that works well for most of your hunting at base magnification. However, with the SY know if you need to use digital zoom, your image will still look pretty good. Also note, the humidity on this video was done at 75%. If it was lower, the image clarity would be even better. This prototype has been extremely good, but Bering has already improved the version that will release in a little over one month. I recently heard from Tom Austin from Night Goggles who told me, "For anyone interested, simply email Night Goggles at [email protected] or call us to get on the pre-order list. We still have a few units that are not spoken for in our first shipment expected early to mid-October." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHAo1w2k3vg View Quote Good stuff. How do you rangefind those critters at night? Just curious what your setup looks like for verifying distances when they're a bit further out there like that. |
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Originally Posted By jwramp: Good stuff. How do you rangefind those critters at night? Just curious what your setup looks like for verifying distances when they're a bit further out there like that. View Quote I typically don't use a rangefinder for night hunting. After using a thermal for awhile, I am able to gauge distance quite well without. For those that struggle with distance at night, the Super Yoter has a feature called Range Marks. It will allow the user to set an animal height and distance (such as PBR) and then you will know if the coyote is within point blank range which is the most important thing. You will be able to tell because the animal will be as big or bigger than the Range Marks. I couldn't show this on the video because at this time, the range marks feature does not show in the recording. However, this feature is going to be a game changer for many hunters. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
KK, Thanks for the added footage.
Looks like a great scope for open field and long range hunting. Now if they could just make a scope that would use a different battery than the outdated 123. I use the same rangefinder mounted on my HD19 spotter. SJC |
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: This is what I used. Boblov rangefinder. It isn't a great rangefinder but it is under $200. I typically don't use a rangefinder for night hunting. After using a thermal for awhile, I am able to gauge distance quite well without. For those that struggle with distance at night, the Super Yoter has a feature called Range Marks. It will allow the user to set an animal height and distance (such as PBR) and then you will know if the coyote is within point blank range which is the most important thing. You will be able to tell because the animal will be as big or bigger than the Range Marks. I couldn't show this on the video because at this time, the range marks feature does not show in the recording. However, this feature is going to be a game changer for many hunters. View Quote Is this the same ranging feature as the phenom has? I figured it would be kinda gimmicky but it's actually very well executed and easy to use. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By GreenMushroom: Is this the same ranging feature as the phenom has? I figured it would be kinda gimmicky but it's actually very well executed and easy to use. View Quote The Super Yoter does two very unique things. The values for all animal heights are configurable. You can set the height to the value of your choice. Currently it is in .1m increments but I am hopeful it will allow smaller increments in the future. For instance a coyote in ND is about .5m from ground to top of the back. I can enter this value. This is my own custom value. Now when I am in the stadiametric range finder, it adjusts the distance based on my modification of one, two, three, or all 4 values. This is the first cool change and that is a customizable stadiametric range finder. When working with Bering on these changes my suggestion next was very few people who are hunting moving animals have the time to bracket an animal and determine distance. There are times when it can be done, and the ability to modify the size of the animal will make it a lot more accurate and usable for more things. However, for those uses when a person is hunting and animals are moving, most hunters simply want to know is the animal close enough that I don't have to compensate their aim, also known as point blank range. On the Super Hogster, people tried to do this as they could activate the stadiametric rangefinder and actual shoot from the rangefinder window. However, the issue is the scope's functions are limited as every time the buttons are pushed, it activates the brackets of the rangefinder. What I recommended to Bering was a feature to allow range marks (ie cheat lines/hashmarks) to show on the main reticle window. So along with the ability to set the size of the animal or object, the user can set a range in the menu. For instance, this allows me to set the animal to be a coyote that is .5m in height, and my range is set for 275m. When I go to my reticle, I now have a small line above and below my reticle centered perfectly that is an object .5m high at the distance of 275m. Now, my scope functions exactly as it always does and I can adjust zoom, start recording, etc, but as soon as a coyote is as big or bigger than my range marks, I know they are inside of my PBR and I can hold dead on. Laser Range Finders are awesome, but by adding this Range Marks feature, Bering has provided a potential answer to a huge problem that plagues many night hunters without adding more cost, weight, etc to the scope. Bering listened to my idea and sent me this prototype a few weeks later, and it is awesome. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
@KoreyKirsch
sent you a PM on this |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
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Huge thanks to @KoreyKirsch for answering all my questions on this unit. Got one pre ordered from Night Goggles today (last unit for the initial PO). Will more than likely be replacing my REAP with it. Looking forward to getting it and will post my feedback on it when it comes in.
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Is there any hope of getting one with the same mount that you put on the hoggster R35?
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Originally Posted By ElCoyote: Is there any hope of getting one with the same mount that you put on the hoggster R35? View Quote This question illustrates it is hard to make everyone happy. While Bering has used their Standard QD and Tactical QD mount for many years on their thermal and NV devices, some of the most common questions are if they held zero, and why didn't they use a known vendor like LaRue. Bering goes with the more expensive LaRue mount on their higher-end thermal, and the question is the opposite. I am not making light of the question, it just proves it is hard to make everyone happy. What adds to the complexity a bit is Bering puts every thermal scope on an optical bench, aligns the mount and thermal, and bolts and epoxies them in place. This is to ensure the best possible accuracy. It isn't as easy as just send me a new mount, etc. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By Pavelow16478: Huge thanks to @KoreyKirsch for answering all my questions on this unit. Got one pre ordered from Night Goggles today (last unit for the initial PO). Will more than likely be replacing my REAP with it. Looking forward to getting it and will post my feedback on it when it comes in. View Quote |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
2 stands, 4 coyotes with the Super Yoter Prototype. Humidity was over 90% on both stands. On the second stand, fog was starting to form as the humidity approached 100% when I shot the last coyote. The Super Yoter wasn't hindered at all. The clarity of this scope is really awesome.
One note, I had the Super Yoter on my .17HMR for some backyard pest control right before this hunt. I took it off and put it on my 22-250. I never rechecked zero or took a test shot. I had total confidence it would be right where I left it, and it was. Kirsch Chronicles 21 - Ep#1: Super Yoter - First Blood |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Thanks for all the great info Korey. All the time you put into this definitely helps making a decision.
Was in the process of ordering a SH but the difference in clarity is pretty evident even with the typical youtube compression. Guess I could say you set the hook-- and yes, I'll be talking to Carina (again....lol). |
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Originally Posted By SonofLiberty1775: Thanks for all the great info Korey. All the time you put into this definitely helps making a decision. Was in the process of ordering a SH but the difference in clarity is pretty evident even with the typical youtube compression. Guess I could say you set the hook-- and yes, I'll be talking to Carina (again....lol). View Quote |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: 2 stands, 4 coyotes with the Super Yoter Prototype. Humidity was over 90% on both stands. On the second stand, fog was starting to form as the humidity approached 100% when I shot the last coyote. The Super Yoter wasn't hindered at all. The clarity of this scope is really awesome. One note, I had the Super Yoter on my .17HMR for some backyard pest control right before this hunt. I took it off and put it on my 22-250. I never rechecked zero or took a test shot. I had total confidence it would be right where I left it, and it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nban65xFsi4 View Quote Great video, thanks! |
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Night Goggles was very fortunate to get 2 orders placed with Bering very early. We have been told by Bering both orders are scheduled to be filled in the initial Bering Optic's production run. Our first order is 100% spoken for but Night Goggles has a few spots open on the 2nd order. Give Carina at Night Goggles a call at 909-312-5424 X331 and make sure to tell her you are from arfcom. These scopes are going to be extremely hard to get a hold of. Now is the time if you want to get one. Units are projected to begin shipping at the end of September, so one can be in your hands soon.
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By Pig_Popper: Howdy Kirsch : Excellent review as always ! Just wanted to credit the other video posted today was from my buddy Carpe Sus , we too have a prototype on hand and I have to agree with you that Bering hit a homer in with this scope. Let’s hope prices don’t shift higher in the coming months like everything else seems to be doing these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRhWRrUzzdU View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Pig_Popper: Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUy4VSQAn5k Specifications: You can view a list of the Super Yoter specifications here Review: You can read my review of the Super Yoter Price: $4,595. dzhitshard posted a video indicating a price of $4,495. However, in speaking with Bering yesterday, the MAP pricing is expected to be $4,595. Howdy Kirsch : Excellent review as always ! Just wanted to credit the other video posted today was from my buddy Carpe Sus , we too have a prototype on hand and I have to agree with you that Bering hit a homer in with this scope. Let’s hope prices don’t shift higher in the coming months like everything else seems to be doing these days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRhWRrUzzdU @Pig_Popper Do you know what battery pouch/external battery size and cable length was being used on the rifle in this video? |
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Originally Posted By Tikiman001: @Pig_Popper Do you know what battery pouch/external battery size and cable length was being used on the rifle in this video? View Quote Well it is my rig. The pouch is from Condor and is 1.5 x 3 x 5 inches https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007IWL7JG?tag=arfcom00-20 I have it rigged into place (and I have these on multiple stocks) with zip ties in various ways depending on the stock. The battery is an 10,000 mAh battery. This is the one I am running, but there are many options you could choose from ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S72HCWG?tag=arfcom00-20 The cable is a 1.5 foot right angle USB C cable. There are several choices, this just happens to be the one I am using ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PFHB3R4?tag=arfcom00-20 I hope this helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLI_UPcpgcw&feature=youtu.be -CapreSus |
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So, how much better is the Yoter R vs the Hogster R 1.4? It looks damn impressive! I'm impressed by the Hogster R already! Do I need a Yoter too?
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Originally Posted By Bassman2: So, how much better is the Yoter R vs the Hogster R 1.4? It looks damn impressive! I'm impressed by the Hogster R already! Do I need a Yoter too? View Quote You want better, you need something with a BAE sensor. BAE= Better At Everything, including draining your bank account ! |
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Originally Posted By Bassman2: So, how much better is the Yoter R vs the Hogster R 1.4? It looks damn impressive! I'm impressed by the Hogster R already! Do I need a Yoter too? View Quote It is hard to compare a Hogster 25 which is 1.4x base mag, 384, 17µm, 25mm to the Super Yoter. The Super Yoter is a 3x base mag, 640, 12µm, and 50mm. The 25mm is a good 150 yard scope and a good scanner due to the low magnification and large Field of View. Could a person shoot a little further, absolutely but comfortable shooting is about 150. Digital zoom is very poor on the 25 and 35. The Super Yoter (SY) can zoom to probably 3 or 4 which is 9-12x and still retain a better image than at 2x digital zoom on the 25 and 35. I would feel comfortable shooting to 400 yards with the SY so a very different scope. You add a LaRue mount, internal recording, and a host of other features and yes, the Super Yoter is a major step up. The image on the 25 is good for what it is, but it isn't in the league of the Super Yoter. Many people are comparing the image quality of the SY to Trijicon and Nvision thermals that cost 7-10K. The terrain really dictates a lot of what will work the best for you. If you want more range and further PID, then yes the Super Yoter would be awesome for you. You could use the 25 as a scanner, and use the Super Yoter to shoot. However, if you don't want a smaller FOV than you currently have with the 25, then do not buy the Super Yoter. The 25 has a 14.9° FOV vs a 8.5° FOV on the SY. That is a big difference. Feel free to PM me and I can provide my cell and we can discuss in more detail. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Good info thank you. I may pm you in the morning!
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Originally Posted By CarpeSus: Well it is my rig. The pouch is from Condor and is 1.5 x 3 x 5 inches https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007IWL7JG?tag=arfcom00-20 I have it rigged into place (and I have these on multiple stocks) with zip ties in various ways depending on the stock. The battery is an 10,000 mAh battery. This is the one I am running, but there are many options you could choose from ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S72HCWG?tag=arfcom00-20 The cable is a 1.5 foot right angle USB C cable. There are several choices, this just happens to be the one I am using ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PFHB3R4?tag=arfcom00-20 I hope this helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLI_UPcpgcw&feature=youtu.be -CapreSus View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CarpeSus: Originally Posted By Tikiman001: @Pig_Popper Do you know what battery pouch/external battery size and cable length was being used on the rifle in this video? Well it is my rig. The pouch is from Condor and is 1.5 x 3 x 5 inches https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007IWL7JG?tag=arfcom00-20 I have it rigged into place (and I have these on multiple stocks) with zip ties in various ways depending on the stock. The battery is an 10,000 mAh battery. This is the one I am running, but there are many options you could choose from ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S72HCWG?tag=arfcom00-20 The cable is a 1.5 foot right angle USB C cable. There are several choices, this just happens to be the one I am using ... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PFHB3R4?tag=arfcom00-20 I hope this helps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLI_UPcpgcw&feature=youtu.be -CapreSus @CarpeSus Thanks for the info! I'm setting up a new. 308 and that helps take out some of the guess work. |
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In case anyone is wanting a way to mount the battery as part of a Bering scope or other thermal that doesn't have a rail, I recently posted about this here. I like the ability of moving my gun and battery pack as one unit and I also want to be able to move from a bolt to an AR without any issue. There are probably other ways to accomplish this, but that link walks you through one option using the TRB battery pack from TNVC/Night Goggles.
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By ElCoyote: Is there any hope of getting one with the same mount that you put on the hoggster R35? View Quote The reason I asked is that I can adjust it in the dark with bare hands for a different rife with no wrench. The Bering mount that came on my R35 from night goggles is simple and works very well. |
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Originally Posted By ElCoyote: The reason I asked is that I can adjust it in the dark with bare hands for a different rife with no wrench. The Bering mount that came on my R35 from night goggles is simple and works very well. View Quote I would say the LaRue is just as easy to mount. Similar idea with one arm that closes and slide it forward to lock in place. The difference is the post. The LaRue uses the very front of the mount as the post. It is a very unique design. It actually seems to be more snug on the rail this way. If you aren't already doing so, I would use some LaRue index clips to make sure you mount on the right rail slot. With a little practice, I believe it could be similar. Bering has said, they are willing to put any of the Bering mounts on for you, but again, it will not be orderable this way. You will need to order the Super Yoter, and then send it in to Bering and have them put the Tactical QR mount. They have told me that you will not have to pay for their service, but I believe you would be buying the 2nd mount, but that is between you and Bering as they are keeping the dealers out of this. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
@KoreyKirsch,
The Phenom 640 I ordered from Night Goggles arrived today and it's amazing. Are the menus the same on the Phenom and Super Yoter R? |
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" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell
Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly" |
Originally Posted By JCMD:@KoreyKirsch, The Phenom 640 I ordered from Night Goggles arrived today and it's amazing. Are the menus the same on the Phenom and Super Yoter R? View Quote If you watch the video I posted first in this thread, you will see the quick-press Menu items from 2:45 - 3:37 and the long-Menu press from 3:38 - 5:36. You will see some familiar icons and some that are new. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By Blackwind: I literally just bought a Bering HOGSTER R 384 2.0-8. Seriously considering this as well. View Quote 1) Cleaner image 2) Can digitally zoom with much clearer result 3) More Base Magnification 4) PID and comfortable shooting at roughly twice the distance 5) Internal Recording 6) .14" zero adjustments vs around 1" on the 35 7) LaRue QD mount 8) RangeMarks feature If you like the Hogster 35, you will love the the Super Yoter. At $2K higher, I would hope you would. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Kirsch Chronicles 21 - Ep#2: Mousing Around |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Impressive!
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Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWBb0MIUCVg View Quote Damn that white hot looks good. Mine can't get here soon enough |
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Thank you. Agree the Super Yoter is awesome.
Originally Posted By Pavelow16478: Damn that white hot looks good. Mine can't get here soon enough |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
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Here is another video from the Super Yoter.
Kirsch Chronicles 21 - Ep#3: Three Pack |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: Here is another video from the Super Yoter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL583Cr10jM View Quote Nice. When are they going to start shipping out? I should be in the first batch. I’m getting antsy. |
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Originally Posted By Are-O-Be: Nice. When are they going to start shipping out? I should be in the first batch. I’m getting antsy. View Quote |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Damn, I live in a metropolitan suburb. I have absolutely no justification to get one. On top of it, as understanding as my wife is, she would kill me. But I want one.
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Originally Posted By GimpsUnlimited: Damn, I live in a metropolitan suburb. I have absolutely no justification to get one. On top of it, as understanding as my wife is, she would kill me. But I want one. View Quote |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles - Pro Staff www.nightgoggles.com |
Kirsch Chronicles 21 - Ep#4: Hammer Time |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles Product Specialist www.nightgoggles.com |
Another Super Yoter Prototype Video.
Kirsch Chronicles 21 - Ep#6: Finishing Strong |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles Product Specialist www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: Another Super Yoter Prototype Video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZR1k0uZF4E View Quote Awesome What are you using to capture audio? Anxiously awaiting mine |
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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:Awesome What are you using to capture audio? Anxiously awaiting mine View Quote The easiest thing is to download the InfirayOutdoors app. You can turn on wireless in your scope, connect your phone to the scope's wireless, and launch the infirayOutdoors app. There you can choose to record the screen and there is a microphone option. If you turn it on, the phone records the video from the scope and records audio from the phone. This works but there are a few negatives. First, it is going to drain the battery of your scope faster. Second, you have to carry your phone with you and choose to select record on the phone when you wish to start recording. The last negative is from my testing, the audio is OK, but the audio and video are slightly out-of-synch. This is what the majority of people will do to get audio on a Super Yoter or Super Hogster vs what I do. Since I am videoing for Night Goggles, I don't want wind noise and want the end result as clear as possible, so I will continue to do it my way. The final release version arrived on Saturday. The two biggest changes are an improved black-hot mode and the image is cleaner with less artifacts in comparison to the prototype. If you go into the Range Settings screen, it lists the height and distance you want to set for an animal. There appears to be a visual bug. For instance for a coyote, it reads 160.8 ft. That would be a really tall coyote. What it should say is 1.608 feet. When you save the setting, and go into the Range Mode window, it shows it correctly as 1.6 feet. If you switch it to Yards (press all 3 buttons at the same time), it shows it correctly as .5 yards in both the settings window and the viewing mode. The decimal is simply in the wrong spot. I have reported this to Bering. It isn't a big deal, but just looks odd. You will love this scope. |
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Korey Kirschenmann
Night Goggles Product Specialist www.nightgoggles.com |
Originally Posted By KoreyKirsch: I am not capturing audio. From the many years of capturing coyote footage, I have lots of kill shots recorded from various guns at various ranges. I also have coyote vocals that were captured, as well as me saying "hey" and "whistling" at coyotes. I use video editing software to add the background music, gunshots, and other sounds when appropriate. Most people would not go through the effort to do this. The easiest thing is to download the InfirayOutdoors app. You can turn on wireless in your scope, connect your phone to the scope's wireless, and launch the infirayOutdoors app. There you can choose to record the screen and there is a microphone option. If you turn it on, the phone records the video from the scope and records audio from the phone. This works but there are a few negatives. First, it is going to drain the battery of your scope faster. Second, you have to carry your phone with you and choose to select record on the phone when you wish to start recording. The last negative is from my testing, the audio is OK, but the audio and video are slightly out-of-synch. This is what the majority of people will do to get audio on a Super Yoter or Super Hogster vs what I do. Since I am videoing for Night Goggles, I don't want wind noise and want the end result as clear as possible, so I will continue to do it my way. The final release version arrived on Saturday. The two biggest changes are an improved black-hot mode and the image is cleaner with less artifacts in comparison to the prototype. If you go into the Range Settings screen, it lists the height and distance you want to set for an animal. There appears to be a visual bug. For instance for a coyote, it reads 160.8 ft. That would be a really tall coyote. What it should say is 1.608 feet. When you save the setting, and go into the Range Mode window, it shows it correctly as 1.6 feet. If you switch it to Yards (press all 3 buttons at the same time), it shows it correctly as .5 yards in both the settings window and the viewing mode. The decimal is simply in the wrong spot. I have reported this to Bering. It isn't a big deal, but just looks odd. You will love this scope. View Quote Nice I'll probably just use the Bering app to get video and can live without the audio. Crops are coming down here. We start hunting hard once they're down. Timing should work out about perfect |
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