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I had to look that one up but you shouldnt need that as it doesnt take a standard barrel extension so you're not actually putting any stress on the upper receiver when you remove or add the barrel or handguard. (if i'm reading what the reaction rod is for, correctly) i could have totally misunderstood it's purpose though View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is the barrel extension Geissele Reaction Rod compatible? I had to look that one up but you shouldnt need that as it doesnt take a standard barrel extension so you're not actually putting any stress on the upper receiver when you remove or add the barrel or handguard. (if i'm reading what the reaction rod is for, correctly) i could have totally misunderstood it's purpose though I get all that, I'm saying for installation of muzzle devices. |
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Handled one of these at my LGS today and just wanted to add another price check: $2499.
Based only on a quick fondling, I like it. Lighter than I expected and well-balanced. Trigger seemed decent. I think I want it. For what its worth, I have a few AR10s and a SCAR 17. The DD struck me as lighter and better-handling than my AR10s, not as bulky in the hands as the SCAR. (if that makes sense) |
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Handled one of these at my LGS today and just wanted to add another price check: $2499. Based only on a quick fondling, I like it. Lighter than I expected and well-balanced. Trigger seemed decent. I think I want it. For what its worth, I have a few AR10s and a SCAR 17. The DD struck me as lighter and better-handling than my AR10s, not as bulky in the hands as the SCAR. (if that makes sense) View Quote Trigger seemed decent? LOL it's a Geissele SSA. I'm not making fun of you, it only feels "decent" to me also, just funny that you called it like it was. Bet most people would rave about the trigger just because it's geissele. |
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Keymod is crap in my opinion. I'd buy if it came in 1913, or MLOK. Any plans, DD? I don't see how DD is "invested" in KM, or MLOK, really, as none of the major players at DD were a part of either, although I do note that DD went to great lengths to get all of the "Magpul" off of their guns for reasons that aren't open forum, I would ask...does that also mean no MLOK? Or can we please have MLOK? If not...1913? Anything but KM!
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That is your opinion however my opinion is keymod is a great system. I have zero issue with my KMR rail.
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Where the F is all the buzz about this rifle? Basically zero posts about it, literally zero new reviews, nothing new on youtube.
What gives? I'm ready to pull the trigger and make this my 6th DD rifle but I want to see some performance reports first. Does anyone else not find it strange that there is ZERO buzz? |
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no buzz because its over priced. You can build an Aero .308 for much cheaper
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Dealers keep dropping prices so they obviously aren't selling well ...... I think it's just a price point lots aren't comfortable with
Nearly $1000-$1300 more than one of their 5.56 offerings |
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Dealers keep dropping prices so they obviously aren't selling well ...... I think it's just a price point lots aren't comfortable with Nearly $1000-$1300 more than one of their 5.56 offerings View Quote you're talking about dealers dropping prices during black friday, cyber monday, and the holidays? THATS CRAZY! THIS RIFLE MUST SUCK!!! go buy a dpms. please. |
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you're talking about dealers dropping prices during black friday, cyber monday, and the holidays? THATS CRAZY! THIS RIFLE MUST SUCK!!! go buy a dpms. please. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dealers keep dropping prices so they obviously aren't selling well ...... I think it's just a price point lots aren't comfortable with Nearly $1000-$1300 more than one of their 5.56 offerings you're talking about dealers dropping prices during black friday, cyber monday, and the holidays? THATS CRAZY! THIS RIFLE MUST SUCK!!! go buy a dpms. please. I already own an SR25, SCAR 17 and a LaRue PredatOBR in 7.62 And no the prices have dropped from the release not just a "sale" I never said the rifle sucked all I said was that for alot of people it's priced to high .... I could easily afford one but I'm waiting for some more reviews and unbiased opinions |
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I already own an SR25, SCAR 17 and a LaRue PredatOBR in 7.62 And no the prices have dropped from the release not just a "sale" I never said the rifle sucked all I said was that for alot of people it's priced to high .... I could easily afford one but I'm waiting for some more reviews and unbiased opinions View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dealers keep dropping prices so they obviously aren't selling well ...... I think it's just a price point lots aren't comfortable with Nearly $1000-$1300 more than one of their 5.56 offerings you're talking about dealers dropping prices during black friday, cyber monday, and the holidays? THATS CRAZY! THIS RIFLE MUST SUCK!!! go buy a dpms. please. I already own an SR25, SCAR 17 and a LaRue PredatOBR in 7.62 And no the prices have dropped from the release not just a "sale" I never said the rifle sucked all I said was that for alot of people it's priced to high .... I could easily afford one but I'm waiting for some more reviews and unbiased opinions I agree. I could snag one right now but I want to know it's worth the coin before I do. And this is coming from a DD fan. Can't decide if I should get the DD5, or just go with the scar 17. |
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you're talking about dealers dropping prices during black friday, cyber monday, and the holidays? THATS CRAZY! THIS RIFLE MUST SUCK!!! go buy a dpms. please. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Dealers keep dropping prices so they obviously aren't selling well ...... I think it's just a price point lots aren't comfortable with Nearly $1000-$1300 more than one of their 5.56 offerings you're talking about dealers dropping prices during black friday, cyber monday, and the holidays? THATS CRAZY! THIS RIFLE MUST SUCK!!! go buy a dpms. please. The DD just came out, if it were a hot seller dealers would be slow to discount the price even on BF & CM. The gun was late to market, has some potential drawbacks and some significant competition at the price point. |
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what potential drawbacks are you talking about?
See your problem is you're thinking rationally and like a businessman. you've apparently never dealt with gun dealers before. it's a race to the bottom and 90% of them are idiots. if you watched gunbroker they had people selling the DD5 for $100 over cost 2 days after it was released. what i'm trying to get at is y'all are making baseless assumptions before you've even (most likely) held or even shot the rifle. it hasnt even been released at SHOT yet FFS |
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what potential drawbacks are you talking about? See your problem is you're thinking rationally and like a businessman. you've apparently never dealt with gun dealers before. it's a race to the bottom and 90% of them are idiots. if you watched gunbroker they had people selling the DD5 for $100 over cost 2 days after it was released. what i'm trying to get at is y'all are making baseless assumptions before you've even (most likely) held or even shot the rifle. it hasnt even been released at SHOT yet FFS View Quote Drawbacks would be the rail, barrel, upper mounting system. If I wanted to ditch the KM rail what are my options, none. I know companies like to do the proprietary mounting systems to separate themselves from the pack, but it hurts one of the major benefits of the AR, modularity. To me a lack of modularity is a major drawback. Also at the price point, they have to compete with some very good rifles, notably the MWS and the SCAR17. |
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I've been excited about this rifle since day one. The only down side is that it offers a lot of things I wouldn't want on it, that I'll still be paying for. I could do without the key mod rail, the trigger, and their furniture. Maybe they'll offer a stripped down model one day (like colt's OEM series), or something a little better suited to my needs. I'd love to see a 7.62 rifle offered with a magpul PRS stock or something similar.
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Drawbacks would be the rail, barrel, upper mounting system. If I wanted to ditch the KM rail what are my options, none. I know companies like to do the proprietary mounting systems to separate themselves from the pack, but it hurts one of the major benefits of the AR, modularity. To me a lack of modularity is a major drawback. Also at the price point, they have to compete with some very good rifles, notably the MWS and the SCAR17. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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what potential drawbacks are you talking about? See your problem is you're thinking rationally and like a businessman. you've apparently never dealt with gun dealers before. it's a race to the bottom and 90% of them are idiots. if you watched gunbroker they had people selling the DD5 for $100 over cost 2 days after it was released. what i'm trying to get at is y'all are making baseless assumptions before you've even (most likely) held or even shot the rifle. it hasnt even been released at SHOT yet FFS Drawbacks would be the rail, barrel, upper mounting system. If I wanted to ditch the KM rail what are my options, none. I know companies like to do the proprietary mounting systems to separate themselves from the pack, but it hurts one of the major benefits of the AR, modularity. To me a lack of modularity is a major drawback. Also at the price point, they have to compete with some very good rifles, notably the MWS and the SCAR17. i'm not sure how a keymod rail or a barrel that can shoot sub-moa is a drawback? |
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Keymod is crap in my opinion. I'd buy if it came in 1913, or MLOK. Any plans, DD? I don't see how DD is "invested" in KM, or MLOK, really, as none of the major players at DD were a part of either, although I do note that DD went to great lengths to get all of the "Magpul" off of their guns for reasons that aren't open forum, I would ask...does that also mean no MLOK? Or can we please have MLOK? If not...1913? Anything but KM! View Quote I'd like to see different handguard offerings as well. It looks like a great gun that can be had for around $2500, so it's going to be compared to others in that price range. |
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I picked up my DD5v1 on Gunbroker for around $2350 out the door. I took it out last weekend and have to say, I am a big fan. I have shot Larue, Noveske as well as a few custom builds in 7.62/308 and have to say that this is every bit as good. Very accurate, light weight (comparable to a Larue PredatOBR) with a great trigger. Once I got it dialed it, I was hitting just under 1 MOA groupings at 100 yards (and I'm not a great shot) with Federal Match. I hear everyone on their gripes with the price - if you are lazy like me and like to buy a rifle that is GTG out of the box (and like to have the newest out there), buy this. If not, wait 6 months and the price will likely fall to sub $2000 (which will be a great deal for a rifle with this many bells and whistles). The rifle isn't perfect - for example, the BCG design takes some getting used to. The firing pin retention pin isn't like a traditional AR - it's not friction fitted like an AR15 retaining pin. The first time I took the BCG out, the firing pin fell out unexpectedly (I thought I had a defective unit until I read up on the "design enhancement" online). Its actually pretty clever once you get used to it for cleaning purposes (won't loose the pin). The other thing I didn't like is the plastic dust cover - DD cheaped out here, no way around it. Lastly, I am a little nervous about the amount of proprietary parts on this - time will tell if the aftermarket will keep up or if you will be stuck paying premium $$$ to DD. I mounted a Leupold Mark 6 3-18 scope with a 3.5 MOA Trijicon RMR in an offset 1 o'clock DD mount. I also put on a Surefire 300V up front with an Atlas bipod underneath. Put on a AAC 90T taper brake for my SR7 can. No other mods...yet. http://s9.postimg.org/6034mvjvj/DD5v1.jpg http://postimg.org/image/n20k2po4b/ http://postimg.org/image/rxzlgnyvv/ http://postimg.org/image/ysehk3gwr/ View Quote Nice rig! Keep us all updated on how the rifle does for you |
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I picked up my DD5v1 on Gunbroker for around $2350 out the door. I took it out last weekend and have to say, I am a big fan. I have shot Larue, Noveske as well as a few custom builds in 7.62/308 and have to say that this is every bit as good. Very accurate, light weight (comparable to a Larue PredatOBR) with a great trigger. Once I got it dialed it, I was hitting just under 1 MOA groupings at 100 yards (and I'm not a great shot) with Federal Match. I hear everyone on their gripes with the price - if you are lazy like me and like to buy a rifle that is GTG out of the box (and like to have the newest out there), buy this. If not, wait 6 months and the price will likely fall to sub $2000 (which will be a great deal for a rifle with this many bells and whistles). The rifle isn't perfect - for example, the BCG design takes some getting used to. The firing pin retention pin isn't like a traditional AR - it's not friction fitted like an AR15 retaining pin. The first time I took the BCG out, the firing pin fell out unexpectedly (I thought I had a defective unit until I read up on the "design enhancement" online). Its actually pretty clever once you get used to it for cleaning purposes (won't loose the pin). The other thing I didn't like is the plastic dust cover - DD cheaped out here, no way around it. Lastly, I am a little nervous about the amount of proprietary parts on this - time will tell if the aftermarket will keep up or if you will be stuck paying premium $$$ to DD. I mounted a Leupold Mark 6 3-18 scope with a 3.5 MOA Trijicon RMR in an offset 1 o'clock DD mount. I also put on a Surefire 300V up front with an Atlas bipod underneath. Put on a AAC 90T taper brake for my SR7 can. No other mods...yet. http://s9.postimg.org/6034mvjvj/DD5v1.jpg http://postimg.org/image/n20k2po4b/ http://postimg.org/image/rxzlgnyvv/ http://postimg.org/image/ysehk3gwr/ View Quote Congrats on the purchase. How well does it run suppressed? |
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Runs great suppressed. No issues so far but haven't run it hard yet. Will keep you posted. No misfires or issue so far.
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My local shop had 5 of these. I personally handled 3 of them and every single one of them had awful upper/lower fit. Like really bad. 2 out of my 5 DD guns have this issue too, but they aren't 2500 bucks so it doesn't bother me. On a gun this expensive, especially a precision rig, I want it to be tight. Whether it matters to accuracy or not, I *want* it to be tight.
I ended up getting a SCAR 17. I think I'll be happy with that choice, but down the line I will probably snag a DD5 also. |
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How does it perform with the brake?
I've been contemplating adding something to take the .308 since I don't have a can yet. |
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Brake is absolutely needed IMO on a 308 or larger. I have an AAC 90t and like it.
The fit of upper/lower for mine is perfect. I have 3 DD rifles and all are as good as any rifle I've handled. |
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Brake is absolutely needed IMO on a 308 or larger. I have an AAC 90t and like it. The fit of upper/lower for mine is perfect. I have 3 DD rifles and all are as good as any rifle I've handled. View Quote Surprising. I have now personally handled 5 examples, and every single one of them had sloppy upper/lower fit. Wonder why yours is tight and so many others are loose? |
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Surprising. I have now personally handled 5 examples, and every single one of them had sloppy upper/lower fit. Wonder why yours is tight and so many others are loose? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Brake is absolutely needed IMO on a 308 or larger. I have an AAC 90t and like it. The fit of upper/lower for mine is perfect. I have 3 DD rifles and all are as good as any rifle I've handled. Surprising. I have now personally handled 5 examples, and every single one of them had sloppy upper/lower fit. Wonder why yours is tight and so many others are loose? I wonder why it's such a big deal to you. |
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Brake is absolutely needed IMO on a 308 or larger. I have an AAC 90t and like it. The fit of upper/lower for mine is perfect. I have 3 DD rifles and all are as good as any rifle I've handled. Surprising. I have now personally handled 5 examples, and every single one of them had sloppy upper/lower fit. Wonder why yours is tight and so many others are loose? I wonder why it's such a big deal to you. Who said it was a big deal? If I'm paying 2500 bucks for a gun I want it to be tight, that's just a personal preference. If I can find one that's tight, I'll buy it. You act like I'm bashing DD or something. I mean I only own 5 DD rifles......all bought in the last 3 months. If a sloppy rifle is acceptable for you in that price range, then buy it and have fun! For me, it is not. If that bothers you, sorry. |
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Brake is absolutely needed IMO on a 308 or larger. I have an AAC 90t and like it. The fit of upper/lower for mine is perfect. I have 3 DD rifles and all are as good as any rifle I've handled. Surprising. I have now personally handled 5 examples, and every single one of them had sloppy upper/lower fit. Wonder why yours is tight and so many others are loose? I wonder why it's such a big deal to you. Dude you have been going after everyone who has been critical of this rifle..... You secretly own stock in DD? On a serious note LOTS of people want a tight gun .... Every single 7.62 rifle that I have that's 2k+ has a very tight fit (LaRue, LWRC, KAC, and hell even my DPMS G2 has a good fit) Again I love DD and my MK18 is my favorite SBR .... People shopping for top tier rifles are going to be more particular People over on the larue industy section would flip their shit if they received a rifle that was loose |
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Who said it was a big deal? If I'm paying 2500 bucks for a gun I want it to be tight, that's just a personal preference. If I can find one that's tight, I'll buy it. You act like I'm bashing DD or something. I mean I only own 5 DD rifles......all bought in the last 3 months. If a sloppy rifle is acceptable for you in that price range, then buy it and have fun! For me, it is not. If that bothers you, sorry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Brake is absolutely needed IMO on a 308 or larger. I have an AAC 90t and like it. The fit of upper/lower for mine is perfect. I have 3 DD rifles and all are as good as any rifle I've handled. Surprising. I have now personally handled 5 examples, and every single one of them had sloppy upper/lower fit. Wonder why yours is tight and so many others are loose? I wonder why it's such a big deal to you. Who said it was a big deal? If I'm paying 2500 bucks for a gun I want it to be tight, that's just a personal preference. If I can find one that's tight, I'll buy it. You act like I'm bashing DD or something. I mean I only own 5 DD rifles......all bought in the last 3 months. If a sloppy rifle is acceptable for you in that price range, then buy it and have fun! For me, it is not. If that bothers you, sorry. It is a big deal. My LaRue has impeccable Upper / Lower fit. I spoke to a AMU armorer who makes uppers/barrels for CMP/NRA High Power competitions. He can get single loaded bullets to shoot out to 1000 yards consistently with a 90gr Berger bullet from his AR15s. He has done ransom rest tests on countless uppers/barrels. Barrel extension to Upper Receiver fit / tightness and Upper to Lower fit both have an impact when it comes to accuracy and precision. This is min-max situation though and squeezing every last ounce of performance. If you get 15% more accuracy out of the Barrel Extension to Upper fit and another 15% out of the Upper + Lower fit, it could be the difference between a 1 moa group and .7 or better group. For $2500, people want that type of performance. Otherwise, why not buy a Aero M5 and just budget build. Like mccordell stated, at this price range, the discriminating buyer has a right to higher quality. The DDM4V5 was my first rifle, it's a fine rifle but it definitely had it's share of issues. The Pistol Grip Screw hole/threading was done incorrectly ( this is a documented issue, when MrGunsnGear channel reviewed a DDM4V9 or 11, he had to send his lower back to DD to get it re-drilled/tapped ), and Gen3 Pmags would not drop freely. If I didnt have my LaRue 762, I'd likely buy the DD762 if I wanted a complete AR10/SR25 rifle so I would want the QC/Fitment to be top notch if I'm spending 2.5k. |
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Wow, I guess I struck a nerve with you guys.
Relax. ETA: I remembered reading this before: It is also possible to reduce movement by inserting materials such as paper, rubber, or epoxy somewhere between the receivers and creating a tight fit or bind. Many commercial customers use a common rubbery device claimed to improve accuracy, and the Army Marksmanship Unit often uses a bit of epoxy. The AMU Armorers advise that this procedure doesn’t improve accuracy, but it makes the shooter feel more confident about their rifle. The AMU Armorers are correct. Formal testing conducted at Rodman Laboratories in the 1970s verified that accuracy wasn’t affected by normal receiver tolerances. The fact is that the bullet exits the bore before movement of the receivers produces a measurable effect. View Quote |
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Wow, I guess I struck a nerve with you guys. Relax. ETA: I remembered reading this before: It is also possible to reduce movement by inserting materials such as paper, rubber, or epoxy somewhere between the receivers and creating a tight fit or bind. Many commercial customers use a common rubbery device claimed to improve accuracy, and the Army Marksmanship Unit often uses a bit of epoxy. The AMU Armorers advise that this procedure doesn’t improve accuracy, but it makes the shooter feel more confident about their rifle. The AMU Armorers are correct. Formal testing conducted at Rodman Laboratories in the 1970s verified that accuracy wasn’t affected by normal receiver tolerances. The fact is that the bullet exits the bore before movement of the receivers produces a measurable effect. That is a great example of something you should not have to do to a $2k plus rifle . |
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Wow, I guess I struck a nerve with you guys. Relax. ETA: I remembered reading this before: It is also possible to reduce movement by inserting materials such as paper, rubber, or epoxy somewhere between the receivers and creating a tight fit or bind. Many commercial customers use a common rubbery device claimed to improve accuracy, and the Army Marksmanship Unit often uses a bit of epoxy. The AMU Armorers advise that this procedure doesn’t improve accuracy, but it makes the shooter feel more confident about their rifle. The AMU Armorers are correct. Formal testing conducted at Rodman Laboratories in the 1970s verified that accuracy wasn’t affected by normal receiver tolerances. The fact is that the bullet exits the bore before movement of the receivers produces a measurable effect. No Nerve struck with me, just being honest on what I've heard/seen/experienced. As to what you've read, this is an excerpt of an email from an AMU Armorer when I was looking to get a CMP/NRA style upper built: "When I took over as Armorer for the All Army Reserve Shooting Team I did exactly what we learned in the Sergeant Major Course. I ASSESSED the guns I had inherited. "Management" told everybody to turn in their uppers temporarily so I could machine rest test them. They were told to turn them in clean. There is no greater insult to a gunsmith than to hand him a dirty gun. I tested a few dozen of them on the machine rest and the results were horrible. I was hating life and wishing I had remained a shooter and never agreed to do the gun plumbing. Average group size was in excess of MOA and it wasn't because the barrels were shot out. I wondered if guys had REALLY cleaned the bores like they should have so I cleaned the whole rat's nest of them the right way and retested all the uppers a second time with the same lots of ammo as originally. VISIBLY improved! But still in excess of MOA. I installed a fresh new tight fitting AccuWedge in my lower, recleaned the uppers AGAIN. And tested a third time. This time I kept records and found that my average group sized shrunk by a remarkable 26% just by using that little red chunk of bubble gum. I have never shot an AR for record or machine rested an AR since without a nice tight AccuWedge in place! MACHINE RESTS DON'T LIE! With all the original slop in place the muzzles of those guns was never coming back to the same place (called "Registration Point") from shot to shot because they were rattling all over the place. Man, it is just common sense. Most all of this Stoner Platform stuff amounts to just that, common sense. I happen to have a fancy machine rest so I can scientifically arrive at average numbers, percentages, etc. But common sense will usually send a person in the right direction even without a machine rest to quantify things. Every upper/lower combination will improve from tightening by a different amount depending on how much slop there is to begin with. I would rate the fit between the Colt lower I used for my test and the uppers I was shooting as about "average"." |
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Wow, I guess I struck a nerve with you guys. Relax. ETA: I remembered reading this before: It is also possible to reduce movement by inserting materials such as paper, rubber, or epoxy somewhere between the receivers and creating a tight fit or bind. Many commercial customers use a common rubbery device claimed to improve accuracy, and the Army Marksmanship Unit often uses a bit of epoxy. The AMU Armorers advise that this procedure doesn’t improve accuracy, but it makes the shooter feel more confident about their rifle. The AMU Armorers are correct. Formal testing conducted at Rodman Laboratories in the 1970s verified that accuracy wasn’t affected by normal receiver tolerances. The fact is that the bullet exits the bore before movement of the receivers produces a measurable effect. That is a great example of something you should not have to do to a $2k plus rifle . Agreed 100%! My DD rifles have great fit and I would expect the same out of this rifle. |
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Has anyone else seen any slop or play in the fit of this (or any other DD rifle)?
I have 3 DD's (MK18 SBR, DDv5LW and the new DD5v1) and all are extremely well built with no play or slop at all. Possibly the dealer received a bad batch? I shot the DD5 7.62 again the other day and have to say, I'm really liking how this rifle handles. Aside from price (which I know is a big issue for many, based on the posts here), I'm a huge fan. |
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Has anyone else seen any slop or play in the fit of this (or any other DD rifle)? I have 3 DD's (MK18 SBR, DDv5LW and the new DD5v1) and all are extremely well built with no play or slop at all. Possibly the dealer received a bad batch? I shot the DD5 7.62 again the other day and have to say, I'm really liking how this rifle handles. Aside from price (which I know is a big issue for many, based on the posts here), I'm a huge fan. View Quote Having handled literally 30+ DD rifles and owning 5, I can say that the black ones are always the ones with the play. I'm guessing that they machine their lowers with enough tolerance for the added thickness of Cerakote. Since the black anodization isn't nearly as thick as cerakote, the black ones tend to have play. I have NEVER felt a cerakoted DD that had play. Just my .02 cents. |
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Having handled literally 30+ DD rifles and owning 5, I can say that the black ones are always the ones with the play. I'm guessing that they machine their lowers with enough tolerance for the added thickness of Cerakote. Since the black anodization isn't nearly as thick as cerakote, the black ones tend to have play. I have NEVER felt a cerakoted DD that had play. Just my .02 cents. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has anyone else seen any slop or play in the fit of this (or any other DD rifle)? I have 3 DD's (MK18 SBR, DDv5LW and the new DD5v1) and all are extremely well built with no play or slop at all. Possibly the dealer received a bad batch? I shot the DD5 7.62 again the other day and have to say, I'm really liking how this rifle handles. Aside from price (which I know is a big issue for many, based on the posts here), I'm a huge fan. Having handled literally 30+ DD rifles and owning 5, I can say that the black ones are always the ones with the play. I'm guessing that they machine their lowers with enough tolerance for the added thickness of Cerakote. Since the black anodization isn't nearly as thick as cerakote, the black ones tend to have play. I have NEVER felt a cerakoted DD that had play. Just my .02 cents. Not that upper/lower play is a good thing, but I'm curious as to how this play would affect accuracy in practice as the sights, barrel, and all relevant components outside of the FCG are all in the upper. |
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Doesn't seem to affect it at all in my V5, also I keep hearing reports of sub MOA out of the DD5V1.
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Handled one today. I was a little put off by the plastic dust cover and selector. Overall it balanced nicely,the rail felt great (I am not a huge fan of key mid btw). The charging handle seemed unusually difficult to unlock,no upper to lower slop was present. Overall it seemed nice, but the rack price was $2499 +tax and I didn't see a huge advantage over my 10A Armalites to justify the price tag, I find myself feeling neutral on the rifle. I guess I need to see more reviews and get some trigger time behind one to be won over.
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Doesn't seem to affect it at all in my V5, also I keep hearing reports of sub MOA out of the DD5V1. I would like to hear more about sub-moa DD5V1 rifles. I expected to hear more chatter about them when they came out? Me too. There is NOTHING. |
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Having handled literally 30+ DD rifles and owning 5, I can say that the black ones are always the ones with the play. I'm guessing that they machine their lowers with enough tolerance for the added thickness of Cerakote. Since the black anodization isn't nearly as thick as cerakote, the black ones tend to have play. I have NEVER felt a cerakoted DD that had play. Just my .02 cents. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has anyone else seen any slop or play in the fit of this (or any other DD rifle)? I have 3 DD's (MK18 SBR, DDv5LW and the new DD5v1) and all are extremely well built with no play or slop at all. Possibly the dealer received a bad batch? I shot the DD5 7.62 again the other day and have to say, I'm really liking how this rifle handles. Aside from price (which I know is a big issue for many, based on the posts here), I'm a huge fan. Having handled literally 30+ DD rifles and owning 5, I can say that the black ones are always the ones with the play. I'm guessing that they machine their lowers with enough tolerance for the added thickness of Cerakote. Since the black anodization isn't nearly as thick as cerakote, the black ones tend to have play. I have NEVER felt a cerakoted DD that had play. Just my .02 cents. Both my M4V1 and MK18 were purchased before factory colors were an option and they both fit perfect. |
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Has anyone else seen any slop or play in the fit of this (or any other DD rifle)? I have 3 DD's (MK18 SBR, DDv5LW and the new DD5v1) and all are extremely well built with no play or slop at all. Possibly the dealer received a bad batch? I shot the DD5 7.62 again the other day and have to say, I'm really liking how this rifle handles. Aside from price (which I know is a big issue for many, based on the posts here), I'm a huge fan. Having handled literally 30+ DD rifles and owning 5, I can say that the black ones are always the ones with the play. I'm guessing that they machine their lowers with enough tolerance for the added thickness of Cerakote. Since the black anodization isn't nearly as thick as cerakote, the black ones tend to have play. I have NEVER felt a cerakoted DD that had play. Just my .02 cents. Both my M4V1 and MK18 were purchased before factory colors were an option and they both fit perfect. That's nice honey. I never said "all black DD rifles have play." I said "the black ones are always the ones with the play." Reading is hard. But no on a serious note, who knows they may have chosen to start taking another couple thou off the lugs to accommodate the cerakote. I have never, ever felt a coated DD with play. But every DD I've felt with play has been black. Take it for what it's worth. |
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Who else on this string OWNS a DD5v1? Based on the prevalent DD fandom out there, I thought there would be a lot more reviews and others first hand perspectives out there. Guess I'm one of the few dummies who just couldn't live without one...
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Who else on this string OWNS a DD5v1? Based on the prevalent DD fandom out there, I thought there would be a lot more reviews and others first hand perspectives out there. Guess I'm one of the few dummies who just couldn't live without one... View Quote I don't own one myself, but know them rather intimately. Just my two cents on this, but it's probably the fact that first, their price tag, ( a good street price around here from a shop that isn't out to ass-rape their customers is under $2300 ) and that second.. obviously, it's a DD. Those don't go flying off the shelves like M&Ps, DPMSs, etc, do. High-end, quality products seldom do. For example, if a guy is looking for reviews on a Dodge Neon, he'll find hundreds of reviews. When he goes looking for reviews on high-end SUVs, there obviously won't be anywhere near that many right off the bat, ( if we were looking for reviews shortly after each vehicle was released ). Folks should really be patient for further feed back and range reports on the DD5s. The reviews will come. |
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Quoted: Who else on this string OWNS a DD5v1? Based on the prevalent DD fandom out there, I thought there would be a lot more reviews and others first hand perspectives out there. Guess I'm one of the few dummies who just couldn't live without one... View Quote Well how does yours shoot? I Will most likely pick one up but need to see what I owe the tax man first. I almost picked up a Larue but held off to see what the DD would do, if they do under moa I'll take the DD. |
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Well how does yours shoot? I Will most likely pick one up but need to see what I owe the tax man first. I almost picked up a Larue but held off to see what the DD would do, if they do under moa I'll take the DD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Who else on this string OWNS a DD5v1? Based on the prevalent DD fandom out there, I thought there would be a lot more reviews and others first hand perspectives out there. Guess I'm one of the few dummies who just couldn't live without one... Well how does yours shoot? I Will most likely pick one up but need to see what I owe the tax man first. I almost picked up a Larue but held off to see what the DD would do, if they do under moa I'll take the DD. I have taken it out to the range 3 times now and am very happy with the performance. I am getting regular groupings in the 1.5 to 1 MOA range, which is on par with other high end 308's I've shot (Larue PredatOBR, LMT) and far better than the DPMS and Bushmaster 308's I started out with some years back. The weight and balance on the rifle is fantastic - I know everyone is griping over the use of polymers vs. metal on things like the dust cover and fire controls, but I think DD did everything they could to get the weight to where they wanted it. The end result is awesome. I'm firing my suppressed with a SR7 AAC suppressor and have not had any issues. My biggest concern continues to be the amount of proprietary parts this thing has and the limited availability of replacement parts if something does end up breaking. So far, it has run like a top but long term, it may be an issue. |
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Armalite has a great technical note regarding upper/lower fit.
The conclusion is: Receivers will normally exhibit a certain amount of looseness. This is normal and will not affect accuracy. Shooters may reduce the movement by insertion of a small amount of material between the receivers to improve the feel of the rifle, but it won’t improve accuracy. View Quote Furthermore, in general it is impossible to make parts that are interchangeable across various manufacturers at different times by machining things to the high end of the tolerance range. Receiver play (or lack of it) isn't an indication of quality and generally I find people needlessly obsess over it. |
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