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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2017 11:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boggy:
Well, problem solved. I borrowed the shorter buffer spring and it ran 100%. I even used the cheesiest surplus ammo I had. The buffer spring should be 11". If you got one of the super long ones, it's the wrong one for an AR15 "H" buffer and the longer buffer tube. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2017 1:50:26 AM EDT
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I've put 140 rounds through my PA10 so far. It's been 100% reliable with commercial 308, I used 148gr Federal, and 150gr Winchester.
Here's a 10 shot group at 50yds 
All my brass ejects at 2 o' clock, and they all have the same dent on the neck. Anyone know what might be causing the dents? Should I be concerned? 
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AR, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2017 8:31:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4356]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigx5murf:
I've put 140 rounds through my PA10 so far. It's been 100% reliable with commercial 308, I used 148gr Federal, and 150gr Winchester. Here's a 10 shot group at 50yds http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/BiGx5MurF/20170621_215412_zpssjur8vmt.jpg All my brass ejects at 2 o' clock, and they all have the same dent on the neck. Anyone know what might be causing the dents? Should I be concerned? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/BiGx5MurF/20170621_223543_zpsmczlte5q.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPwTGfhUulk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnoJx4F7EyM Could be something else of course.... |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2017 2:04:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4356:
I'd assume it's the nature of the beast. All your cases ricochet upon ejection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPwTGfhUulk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnoJx4F7EyM Could be something else of course.... |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2017 8:26:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigx5murf:
I don't think it's that, there's a line on the lower third of all the cases, in the same place in relation to the neck gouges on every case. I think the line is a mark left from the deflector, and the gouge is probably happening before it leaves the chamber. I don't currently reload. but I would think it wouldn't be safe to reload cases with material removed from the neck. Search ebay for "usb camera endoscope 7mm", they're dirt cheap.... |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:58:21 AM EDT
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So are these PA10 Gen2's more hassle than they are worth? Seems like for every 1 "no issues here" there are 10 "Its not working" answers.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:06:54 PM EDT
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My Gen 2 runs like a top. I have friends who have one also with no issues.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2017 3:37:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Has anyone experimented with running H2 or H3 buffers in their PA10? Mine's a bit over gassed, and was wondering if a heavier buffer would help. I have the PA10 tube, with a standard PSA H buffer
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2017 12:24:43 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
So are these PA10 Gen2's more hassle than they are worth? Seems like for every 1 "no issues here" there are 10 "Its not working" answers. 308 AR's are a tricky b*tch to get sorted. The problem is too many manufacturers using double O-rings in their extractors (not needed), and people not "tuning" their 308 BCG travel (Lot's of smashed RE's and broken bolt catch's because people do not understand that you have to "time" a 308 BCG. With the mass of a 308 BCG, it must not get that close to the RE, need a good 1/8" clearance, and you can not have the bolt face go too far behind the bolt catch, NO more than 3/16" MAX, or the mass/speed will snap it). "Shimming" is required to get the BCG at the proper "timing" (in my case, a quarter behind the buffer spring worked perfect to "time" it between the two). Also, there is more variation in loads for 308/7.62 Nato... so tuning the gas is more difficult for the "average" joe. IMHO, 308 AR's should NOT have standard gas blocks, they should ALL have adjustable gas blocks (due to such wide variation with 308/nato loads, it is certainly needed to properly adjust for desired load). Just my .02 (I love my G1 and G2 !) |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 7:32:19 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2017 6:36:14 PM EDT
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Came across a post elsewhere saying while most 7.62x51 is manufactured to 308 dimensions, the PPU I bought is made to NATO dimensions and will not chamber in my 308 which barely closes on a 308 GO gauge.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2017 9:30:23 PM EDT
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I fired 2 shots and knew my PA-10 keymod was overgassed, threw an H2 in and brass was ejecting at 0300 instead of 0130. Felt recoil was reduced. Although I have had no failures it will not lock back on an empty mag. There is a fix for that and will go down that avenue after a couple of hundred rounds. I am going to put a UBR on it tomorrow with a 5.5 oz carbine buffer and spring from KAK industries and see how it runs. Hopefully Sunday. Might start a thread on the journey. Accuracy has been better than expected, only 130grn MK319 down the pipe, 50 of em, less than a 2' group at 100m with a 4x scope.
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Posted: 7/8/2017 9:26:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#13]
For anyone interested... I picked up one of the Nitrated 18" NB BCG ones ...
I have posted my simple "fixes" to numerous issues over here... IMHO, it is a rather through A-Z fixing guide / observations on my received PA10. https://forum.308ar.com/topic/15124-pa10-nitrated-18-nb-bcg-gen-2-observations/ The results have changed the gritty, stickiness ( I'm not complaining, I got what I paid for, and am very happy with it ) into a smooth manually feeding rifle. I am going to shoot it today. I was seriously able to fix numerous issues VERY easily, with a minimum of time. Fixed the drop free mag issue, sticky chambering and extraction, case scratching, etc... If any of the things I've done can fix someone else's similar problem, then it is worth a look. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2017 12:45:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06:
For anyone interested... I picked up one of the Nitrated 18" NB BCG ones ... I have posted my simple "fixes" to numerous issues over here... IMHO, it is a rather through A-Z fixing guide / observations on my received PA10. https://forum.308ar.com/topic/15124-pa10-nitrated-18-nb-bcg-gen-2-observations/ The results have changed the gritty, stickiness ( I'm not complaining, I got what I paid for, and am very happy with it ) into a smooth manually feeding rifle. I am going to shoot it today. I was seriously able to fix numerous issues VERY easily, with a minimum of time. Fixed the drop free mag issue, sticky chambering and extraction, case scratching, etc... If any of the things I've done can fix someone else's similar problem, then it is worth a look. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2017 10:34:16 AM EDT
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I just pieced together my 1st gen PA10 the other night and had two problems.
The h3 buffer they sent me was too long. The bolt barely clears the back of the mag and does not pass the bolt catch. I put a standard buffer in it and now my bolt travels back far enough. Second, major problem, was that after installing the front pivot pin I could not get it open. After trying all manner of things to work it out I somehow managed to get a dental pick into the extremely compressed coils and pull it out through the drain hole. Measuring the depth after I got the pivot pin assembly un-assed i measured the depth of the hole and it is under 1"! With a spring that can undergo only so much compression, missing the depth by more than 1/8" is pretty ridiculous. Also ridiculous is this stamping inside the pivot pin channel, which I'm anticipating making for some not-so-smooth operation. So, I'll be using a ball instead of a detent pin to try and get around this. Has anyone else run into these issues?? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2017 11:02:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Talons:
I just pieced together my 1st gen PA10 the other night and had two problems. The h3 buffer they sent me was too long. The bolt barely clears the back of the mag and does not pass the bolt catch. I put a standard buffer in it and now my bolt travels back far enough. Second, major problem, was that after installing the front pivot pin I could not get it open. After trying all manner of things to work it out I somehow managed to get a dental pick into the extremely compressed coils and pull it out through the drain hole. Measuring the depth after I got the pivot pin assembly un-assed i measured the depth of the hole and it is under 1"! With a spring that can undergo only so much compression, missing the depth by more than 1/8" is pretty ridiculous. Also ridiculous is this stamping inside the pivot pin channel, which I'm anticipating making for some not-so-smooth operation. So, I'll be using a ball instead of a detent pin to try and get around this. Has anyone else run into these issues?? |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 11:20:23 AM EDT
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Looking to install a single stage drop in trigger into a PA10 gen2. Any ideas on compatibility?
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LA, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2017 5:12:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BootScraper]
[#18]
Originally Posted By TRYPOD1911:
Looking to install a single stage drop in trigger into a PA10 gen2. Any ideas on compatibility? |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2017 10:03:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Room101]
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I received my complete g2 ar-10 a few weeks back and got it out to the range last Saturday. Unfortunately it doesn't want to load new rounds. I tried different ammo types and mags. It usually fired, then closed the bolt, but didn't load a new round. Sometimes I could get 2-3 rounds out in a row. I got the impression the gas was too low, or the buffer tube spring was to hard. Any one else experience this or have ideas for a solution?
edit: So took it apart after that range trip and found it was bone dry. I gave it a good lube, and bought some different types of ammo. The next range trip it seemed to function fine. I guess it just needed a basic lubing. |
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:21:19 PM EDT
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The sale going on with the pa10 upper and lower is VERY tempting. 580$ Should I buy?
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Posted: 8/6/2017 5:33:06 PM EDT
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Well I bought. Now I need a scope and some mags. Do they accept standard 308 mags? Pmags?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:28:30 PM EDT
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18" barrels, mid-length gas... does a bayonet fit like it should?
Thanks! |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:53:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BootScraper]
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Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Well I bought. Now I need a scope and some mags. Do they accept standard 308 mags? Pmags? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:22:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BootScraper:
Pmags work great. I use the 10 and 20 |
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Posted: 8/8/2017 2:06:26 PM EDT
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What ammo has been getting good groups from the 1-10 twist 18'' SS barrels that aren't FMJ? I picked one of these guns up for deer season this year and FMJ isn't allowed nor would I use it for hunting, so lets see some accuracy pic and ammo used from the 18 inchers. I don't reload anymore so must be a factory option.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2017 4:26:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bjohnson425:
What ammo has been getting good groups from the 1-10 twist 18'' SS barrels that aren't FMJ? I picked one of these guns up for deer season this year and FMJ isn't allowed nor would I use it for hunting, so lets see some accuracy pic and ammo used from the 18 inchers. I don't reload anymore so must be a factory option. My rifle has an 18", 1/10 twist nitride barrel, with mid length gas. 
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Posted: 8/17/2017 5:22:43 PM EDT
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How much does the 18" M-lok version that is on sale weigh? Lets say with the ACS-L stock that is being offered as a complete rifle.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:04:44 AM EDT
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So what's the difference between gen 1 and 2? Will a gen 2 upper fit my gen 1 lower? I would really like to pick up another upper at some point.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 2:20:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4356]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4356:
My latest plan is to go to the range next weekend. Shoot 308 and see how many 308 rounds are necessary before it will chamber a 7.62x51 PPU round. And to get it to function. Figure out whether I need to remove one extractor O-ring. Or remove both extractor O-rings. Or remove the inner extractor spring. Or a combination of above. Or rebuild PSA bolt using DPMS kit. Gen1 PA10 18" nitride, carbine lower, with two o-rings under extractor ran fine from the first shot to the last. Will not chamber PPU7.62x51. ASC and Pmags. Have Brownells and CProducts to check next range trip. Only thing I remember doing is altering the bolt catch slightly. (I just got in the PA10 gen2 rifle lower, someone at PSA already tried to alter bolt catch, but it needed a little more) |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2017 2:39:40 PM EDT
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Recoil between carbine and rifle question....
I have the 18" gen1 upper with gen1 carbine lower. And a 18" gen2 upper with gen2 rifle lower. The rifle recoil system feels a lot stronger than the carbine. I used a fish scale on the charging handle, trying to measure how both feels. About half way back with safeties on, the carbine is 8-10lbs and the rifle is 12-14lbs. Given both uppers should produce the same gas pressure, will the rifle work, or the carbine is too weak or dont worry about it and enjoy. Carbine ran fine, ejection was about 2-3 o'clock, maybe a little warm. Waiting on next range trip to test rifle. Carbine: buffer is black with orange rubber stop, 3 1/4", 3.89 ounces. Recoil spring is 10 1/2" long, 37 turns, about 0.070" wire. Depth of tube measured from inside about 7 5/8". Bolt travels back properly, just clearing bolt stop by 1/8-1/4". Rifle: buffer is 5 1/4", 5.39 ounces. Recoil spring is 12 5/8" long, 39 turns, about 0.080" wire. Depth of tube measured from inside about 9 5/8". Bolt travels back properly, just clearing bolt stop by 1/8-1/4". Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious, I'm new to AR308.... Thanks all. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2017 4:34:00 PM EDT
[#31]
Wondering the PSA Part # On the Grip Below... Found bottom one at a gun show wish it was black wish I had 2 of them fit like a glove and comfortable in the hand. Top is a Magpul.
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AR, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2017 11:24:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4356:
Recoil between carbine and rifle question.... I have the 18" gen1 upper with gen1 carbine lower. And a 18" gen2 upper with gen2 rifle lower. The rifle recoil system feels a lot stronger than the carbine. I used a fish scale on the charging handle, trying to measure how both feels. About half way back with safeties on, the carbine is 8-10lbs and the rifle is 12-14lbs. Given both uppers should produce the same gas pressure, will the rifle work, or the carbine is too weak or dont worry about it and enjoy. Carbine ran fine, ejection was about 2-3 o'clock, maybe a little warm. Waiting on next range trip to test rifle. Carbine: buffer is black with orange rubber stop, 3 1/4", 3.89 ounces. Recoil spring is 10 1/2" long, 37 turns, about 0.070" wire. Depth of tube measured from inside about 7 5/8". Bolt travels back properly, just clearing bolt stop by 1/8-1/4". Rifle: buffer is 5 1/4", 5.39 ounces. Recoil spring is 12 5/8" long, 39 turns, about 0.080" wire. Depth of tube measured from inside about 9 5/8". Bolt travels back properly, just clearing bolt stop by 1/8-1/4". Maybe I'm overlooking something obvious, I'm new to AR308.... Thanks all. Would someone measure theirs? Thanks! |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2017 11:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Contract_Pilot:
Wondering the PSA Part # On the Grip Below... Found bottom one at a gun show wish it was black wish I had 2 of them fit like a glove and comfortable in the hand. Top is a Magpul. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/IMG_5197-e1505171132712-768x1024.jpg FWIW... the BCM Mod 3 grip fits just as well as that lower pic, on PA-10's. I ditched my SL for the Mod 3 (it looks fantastic on it). I'd try one of those if I were you. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:10:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RABIDFOX50]
[#34]
For those who purchased PA10 Gen2 uppers and lowers in the last few months, has PSA worked out the problems?
I am looking to purchase a PA10 Gen2 complete lower with a standard stock (not the carbine stock) and the PA10 Gen2 18" MLOK upper. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 11:59:43 PM EDT
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I bought a PA-10 on 5/19/17, and when it arrived, the bolt catch latch didn't work. I shipped it back, and it was received by PSA on 7/19/2017.
I wouldn't think fixing a bolt catch latch would be a major repair, yet two months and three days later, I still don't have a gun. I am curious if anyone at PSA can give me an estimate about when I will have a gun again. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 12:37:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Well I bought. Now I need a scope and some mags. Do they accept standard 308 mags? Pmags? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2017 11:58:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RABIDFOX50:
For those who purchased PA10 Gen2 uppers and lowers in the last few months, has PSA worked out the problems? I am looking to purchase a PA10 Gen2 complete lower with a standard stock (not the carbine stock) and the PA10 Gen2 18" MLOK upper. 
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Posted: 10/3/2017 1:30:30 PM EDT
[#38]
Any idea when PA10 uppers with the black/phosphate barrels will be in stock again?
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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:32:01 AM EDT
[#39]
Do you guys offer a chrome lined barrel for the PA-10 gen2?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:33:49 AM EDT
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I have looked and searched. Will these drop on an older dpms lower?
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Posted: 10/5/2017 5:13:59 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
Do you guys offer a chrome lined barrel for the PA-10 gen2? |
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Posted: 10/9/2017 6:09:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MaverickCowboy]
[#42]
I just got my COMPLETE Gen 2 lower,
everything is good to go, except one thing. the Front take down pin is SUPER short to the point that its flush with the receiver and unable to push it out without using a punch. is this normal? @palmettostatearmory  Attached File Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 10/9/2017 9:16:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Will a Fulton armory lower work with the pa10 upper I just bought from you guys?
i purchased the lower almost 10 years ago I believe |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2017 3:14:03 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
I just got my COMPLETE Gen 2 lower, everything is good to go, except one thing. the Front take down pin is SUPER short to the point that its flush with the receiver and unable to push it out without using a punch. is this normal? @palmettostatearmoryhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166501/photo_2017-10-09_18-36-35__2_-329184.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166501/photo_2017-10-09_18-36-35-329185.JPG |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 3:34:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
I just got my COMPLETE Gen 2 lower, everything is good to go, except one thing. the Front take down pin is SUPER short to the point that its flush with the receiver and unable to push it out without using a punch. is this normal? @palmettostatearmoryhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166501/photo_2017-10-09_18-36-35__2_-329184.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/166501/photo_2017-10-09_18-36-35-329185.JPG |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:17:36 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne:
You could pull it and clean up the detent channel in the pin. The head has more gap from the receiver than it should.  .
putting it back without the pin, and its still not enough to push the take down pin without a tool. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 4:55:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
just did, lost the detent pin .
putting it back without the pin, and its still not enough to push the take down pin without a tool. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickCowboy:
Originally Posted By Chairborne:
You could pull it and clean up the detent channel in the pin. The head has more gap from the receiver than it should. .
putting it back without the pin, and its still not enough to push the take down pin without a tool. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2017 9:16:02 PM EDT
[#48]
@palmettostatearmory
I have been getting horrible groupings at 100 yards with several different types of ammo . The groups are averaging 6 inches . It was bought as a complete rifle I guess my only option would be to return the upper which I did not want to do considering its deer season
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:00:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Buddy went out and shot my PA10 today. With ball ammo it was 2.5moa at 100 yards. I'm not sure what ammo he used. He did mention that the gun is way over gassed. What is the best (most reasonably priced) adjustable gas block?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2017 10:29:27 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
Buddy went out and shot my PA10 today. With ball ammo it was 2.5moa at 100 yards. I'm not sure what ammo he used. He did mention that the gun is way over gassed. What is the best (most reasonably priced) adjustable gas block? There are other, cheaper, brands available... but (IMHO) none of them have the simplicity/repeatability/and ruggedness of the SLR. |
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