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Quoted: I don't like posting in another industry partners forum but as soon as Geissele gets its hands on a PA upper and lower will will look at what's going on. I am just guessing at this point but don't dispare on the lowers and uppers you have bought. I think the fix will be easy and quick and you will not hack your trigger up so it doesn't work in another gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I installed the SSA-E tonight in my PA-10. The bolt, when pulled back, is getting stuck on the hammer. Does anyone know if the SSA-E is supposed to work in this PA-10? I don't like posting in another industry partners forum but as soon as Geissele gets its hands on a PA upper and lower will will look at what's going on. I am just guessing at this point but don't dispare on the lowers and uppers you have bought. I think the fix will be easy and quick and you will not hack your trigger up so it doesn't work in another gun. |
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[#2]
Quoted: It sucks being a test rat ! Know one really knows what the problem is, Geisselle knows about lower upper problem . Got a e-mail this morning, If you did the paper work with your FFL. it is yours!! Now moving on witch 2stage trigger will work? someone knows for sure. View Quote |
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[#3]
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It sucks being a test rat ! Know one really knows what the problem is, Geisselle knows about lower upper problem . Got a e-mail this morning, If you did the paper work with your FFL. it is yours!! Now moving on witch 2stage trigger will work? someone knows for sure. View Quote Not true. Defective product is still a defective product under the law. If they advertised function using AR FCGs, they are bound by that. |
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[#4]
Let me state for the record that Geissele and PSA know about this issue and both recommend some work on the hammer of the SSA-E to help the bcg clear it. PSA said they are going to find a more permanent solution, and Geissele has made a similar statement in their industry forum. PSA is working with triggers and Geissele is obtaining rifles, etc to check their triggers. Both parties are doing their best, it would seem, to figure out how to make this platform work with these triggers. |
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[#5]
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Let me state for the record that Geissele and PSA know about this issue and both recommend some work on the hammer of the SSA-E to help the bcg clear it. PSA said they are going to find a more permanent solution, and Geissele has made a similar statement in their industry forum. PSA is working with triggers and Geissele is obtaining rifles, etc to check their triggers. Both parties are doing their best, it would seem, to figure out how to make this platform work with these triggers. View Quote Better late than never I guess |
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[#6]
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I have a UPS label that PSA sent, so I will send the SSA- E to them. I started not to because other arfcommers said grinding on the trigger would be trouble. It seems PSA wants to just grind down the top of the hammer to help this thing clear. I noticed in another thread that you seemed to think this might be ok. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I installed the SSA-E tonight in my PA-10. The bolt, when pulled back, is getting stuck on the hammer. Does anyone know if the SSA-E is supposed to work in this PA-10? I don't like posting in another industry partners forum but as soon as Geissele gets its hands on a PA upper and lower will will look at what's going on. I am just guessing at this point but don't dispare on the lowers and uppers you have bought. I think the fix will be easy and quick and you will not hack your trigger up so it doesn't work in another gun. I don't want anyone grinding on top of the hammer. As soon as I get a lower and upper I'll have a drawing with instructions on what to do |
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[#7]
Your post in your industry forum seems to indicate modification: In order for our triggers to work in his gun they will need to be modified. It will be easy enough for Geissele to do this at the factory but this will be a "special trigger". We will also publish instructions on how a shooter can do this themselves with minimal pain. What modification can you do that someone can do "themselves" at home? |
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[#8]
Thanks for the update. I'll wait to decide what to do with mine until you folks get a chance to look at it.
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[#9]
Any response as what fix for G2S, I got a PA-10 rifle completed ready to sight in, but cant charge it because the bolt carrier locks up.
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[#11]
I've got a G2S that was locking up the bolt carrier. I machined .025" off the top corner tip of the hammer (corner facing firing pin) with a carbide end mill at the duplicate angle the hammer is at full "cock" or fully pressed against the disconnect surface near the trigger pin. The surface that contacts the firing pin is untouched. (newly machined surface only contacts bolt carrier) It charges nicely and seems to function correctly (dry firing and recharging). I most likely will not be able to live fire until next weekend due to other commitments. If I could figure out how to post pictures I would. (obviously I'm new to forums) Not saying for anyone to copy this, but seems it may correct my condition.
Edit by PSA: this modification mimics the ordinary wear the SSA, and SSA-e, triggers experience when used in an AR15. Removing this amount of material, from this area, does not affect the performance of the trigger. Giessele has instructions for modifying their trigger for use in an LR-308. |
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[#12]
I am glad I came across this thread I was about to order a rifle kit . This is a deal breaker for me hopefully they can get this straight . All I run is geissele triggers and was intending on doing the same in the .308 .
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[#13]
PA10 and two stage trigger.
I built a lower yesterday and tried a G 2 stage and bolt wont travel to the rear, the hammer strikes bottom of bcg. reoved trigger and confrimed rifle will cycle normal. Installed Rock River 2 stage and once again hammer interferes with BCG. Installed PA15 milspec trigger and it works fine (other than not a match trigger). Grinding the trigger may work to fit one gun, but hopefully they fix it for drop ins. Palmetto please contact me as far as which parts you are using in the lower. I''m having an issue with the bolt catch as well (I used a DPMS Lower parts kit minus trigger group). Ok so let me specify the DPMS parts kit I used is for a DPMS 308 kit. However there still is an issue with the bolt catch. as ar15 kit the only parts you would be able to use are the FCG, detent springs and pins, Saftety detent and pins. Thus the clarification for which pattern ie Armalite, Rock River or SR25/DPMS. Which is why once again I asked PSA. No face icons neeeded. thanks |
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[#14]
^^ this is their comment on other lower parts kits
ETA : Whoops- that's the difference between AR15 and PA10 lowers. Quoted:
Thank you for your comments. The build kits were released within a few days of the lowers. We apologize for the delay. The following items differ Between the AR15 and the PA10 lower receiver build kits: Front and rear take down pins (longer) The bolt catch (larger) The Mag catch The carbine buffer tube (longer) Carbine and rifle buffers (shorter) We do not have the items above available separately at this time. The lower build kit provides all of the items needed at a reasonable price, and takes the guesswork out of the build. They will be available as supplies permit. As was mentioned, a DPMS BCG will function in our upper. However, if the BCG does not have forward assist serrations, the FA function of the upper will not work. View Quote |
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[#17]
They indicated the were taking some off the corner of the hammer where it interacts with the bolt. I can't tell that anything was done, but it works. They also indicated the changed out the buffer and buffer spring. I'm anxious to fire it. They said they ran 20 rounds thru it trouble free.
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[#18]
Thank you for your patience. The amount removed is very small, and can be hard to see.
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[#19]
Hey Guys, Just bare with us a little bit longer and we can work out a solution to this issue. We have instructions to modify a non critical area of the hammer that should be the solution to this issue. We've done this before with another companies .308 rifle and its works fine. We are still working on getting a receiver set from Palmetto to check this out but I have been in contact with another customer who made the modifications. Our modification required .015" off of the tail end of the hammer under the sear and we had this customer inform us that they ended up having to take off .025" and this trigger works properly in this receiver set.
If anyone here would like to send us a completed upper and lower so we can take a look at us, that would certainly be appreciated. We are also offering to perform this modification at no charge, all we ask if that you send us the hammer and trigger plus a $10 check or Money Order so we can ship the trigger back out to you. My e-mail address is [email protected] or you can also shoot over an e-mail to [email protected] and we can help you out with any questions and offer the drawing that we have to either have you do the modifications yourself, or like I said we can do them for you at no charge. Please do not shave off any material on the top of the hammer. We will get an answer for you guys shortly. -Geissele Customer Service. |
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[#21]
Quoted:
Hey Guys, Just bare with us a little bit longer and we can work out a solution to this issue. We have instructions to modify a non critical area of the hammer that should be the solution to this issue. We've done this before with another companies .308 rifle and its works fine. We are still working on getting a receiver set from Palmetto to check this out but I have been in contact with another customer who made the modifications. Our modification required .015" off of the tail end of the hammer under the sear and we had this customer inform us that they ended up having to take off .025" and this trigger works properly in this receiver set. If anyone here would like to send us a completed upper and lower so we can take a look at us, that would certainly be appreciated. We are also offering to perform this modification at no charge, all we ask if that you send us the hammer and trigger plus a $10 check or Money Order so we can ship the trigger back out to you. My e-mail address is [email protected] or you can also shoot over an e-mail to [email protected] and we can help you out with any questions and offer the drawing that we have to either have you do the modifications yourself, or like I said we can do them for you at no charge. Please do not shave off any material on the top of the hammer. We will get an answer for you guys shortly. -Geissele Customer Service. View Quote ive got a completed lower, id send ya to borrow, but i dont have a completed upper yet :( just the stripped upper receiver. If you want it lemme know. |
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[#22]
Quoted:
Hey Guys, Just bare with us a little bit longer and we can work out a solution to this issue. We have instructions to modify a non critical area of the hammer that should be the solution to this issue. We've done this before with another companies .308 rifle and its works fine. We are still working on getting a receiver set from Palmetto to check this out but I have been in contact with another customer who made the modifications. Our modification required .015" off of the tail end of the hammer under the sear and we had this customer inform us that they ended up having to take off .025" and this trigger works properly in this receiver set. If anyone here would like to send us a completed upper and lower so we can take a look at us, that would certainly be appreciated. We are also offering to perform this modification at no charge, all we ask if that you send us the hammer and trigger plus a $10 check or Money Order so we can ship the trigger back out to you. My e-mail address is [email protected] or you can also shoot over an e-mail to [email protected] and we can help you out with any questions and offer the drawing that we have to either have you do the modifications yourself, or like I said we can do them for you at no charge. Please do not shave off any material on the top of the hammer. We will get an answer for you guys shortly. -Geissele Customer Service. View Quote I have a complete upper and lower that I could send you...but no Geissele trigger :( |
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[#23]
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I have a complete upper and lower that I could send you...but no Geissele trigger :( View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hey Guys, Just bare with us a little bit longer and we can work out a solution to this issue. We have instructions to modify a non critical area of the hammer that should be the solution to this issue. We've done this before with another companies .308 rifle and its works fine. We are still working on getting a receiver set from Palmetto to check this out but I have been in contact with another customer who made the modifications. Our modification required .015" off of the tail end of the hammer under the sear and we had this customer inform us that they ended up having to take off .025" and this trigger works properly in this receiver set. If anyone here would like to send us a completed upper and lower so we can take a look at us, that would certainly be appreciated. We are also offering to perform this modification at no charge, all we ask if that you send us the hammer and trigger plus a $10 check or Money Order so we can ship the trigger back out to you. My e-mail address is [email protected] or you can also shoot over an e-mail to [email protected] and we can help you out with any questions and offer the drawing that we have to either have you do the modifications yourself, or like I said we can do them for you at no charge. Please do not shave off any material on the top of the hammer. We will get an answer for you guys shortly. -Geissele Customer Service. I have a complete upper and lower that I could send you...but no Geissele trigger :( I bet they have a few laying around... |
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[#24]
Hey guys,
We were able to get a upper and lower and bolt to check out what the issue may be. Please shoot me over an email and i can send you a drawing on what modifications are needed our triggers and the PA10 rifle. Our email address is [email protected] -Geissele Customer Service. |
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[#25]
So is there not going to be any sort of design change from PSA? The official fix if I want to use a geissele trigger is for me to have to modify it myself?
I hope that's not the case, but that's motivafion enough to spend extra for a different upper / lower combo. I'd prefer not to have to shave or machine any trigger mechanism, let alone a $300 one. |
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[#26]
Quoted: So is there not going to be any sort of design change from PSA? The official fix if I want to use a geissele trigger is for me to have to modify it myself? I hope that's not the case, but that's motivafion enough to spend extra for a different upper / lower combo. I'd prefer not to have to shave or machine any trigger mechanism, let alone a $300 one. View Quote |
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[#27]
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Hey guys, We were able to get a upper and lower and bolt to check out what the issue may be. Please shoot me over an email and i can send you a drawing on what modifications are needed our triggers and the PA10 rifle. Our email address is [email protected] -Geissele Customer Service. View Quote dang. was hoping for a hook up :) |
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[#28]
Heads up.
I just received an SSA trigger (not enhanced). This fcg also caused the bcg to hang up. Personally, I would have spent a little more to get the SSA-E had I know both models would need to be modified. PSA claims to have tested the SSA model successfully, so I purchased the SSA expecting no need for modification. After receiving the drawing from Geissele customer service, I was able to modify the hammer to get the rifle to function. |
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[#29]
I was told that PSA will eventually be modifying the receivers. Evidently the takedown and pivot pin placement is wrong. I was told they are planning on a modified lower with correct pin placement and caliber marked "MULTI" instead of 308, but they have no information on ETA. I sent mine back, and am awaiting my refund.
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[#30]
Well crap. I just went by their store today and bought a stripped upper and lower and now i find out the pivot pin holes are in the wrong place?
Why is PSA still selling these with no warning that they are defective? |
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[#31]
How are they in the wrong spot if other FCG's work?
Are the geisseles a super tight tolerance? I would imagine the holes being more than a few thou off would cause issues with other triggers. |
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[#34]
I had to remove about 0.025" from the top of the hook on the trigger. The trigger is shown in the image in reverse of how it engages with the hammer. It was hitting the hammer spring when it was installed. All working now.
I bought the cheaper G2S setup. I wouldn't want to be grinding on the more expensive ones, and you certainly cannot do this to a rifle you intend to carry on duty. |
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[#35]
I used a gs2 also and just filed down the very top of the hammer, similar to the guy on page 3, didn't take much really, could see where it was wearing and hitting the bolt from the wear marks
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[#36]
Quoted:
I was told that PSA will eventually be modifying the receivers. Evidently the takedown and pivot pin placement is wrong. I was told they are planning on a modified lower with correct pin placement and caliber marked "MULTI" instead of 308, but they have no information on ETA. I sent mine back, and am awaiting my refund. View Quote Was there any updates to this? Is this PA10 stripped lower SKU482753 now a modified version? Really trying to stay away from having to modify the brand new SSA-E trigger that I have for this build. Greatly appreciate any information from folks that have SSA-E and PA10 from Palmetto. Regards, Shadow |
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Was there any updates to this? Is this PA10 stripped lower SKU482753 now a modified version? Really trying to stay away from having to modify the brand new SSA-E trigger that I have for this build. Greatly appreciate any information from folks that have SSA-E and PA10 from Palmetto. Regards, Shadow View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was told that PSA will eventually be modifying the receivers. Evidently the takedown and pivot pin placement is wrong. I was told they are planning on a modified lower with correct pin placement and caliber marked "MULTI" instead of 308, but they have no information on ETA. I sent mine back, and am awaiting my refund. Was there any updates to this? Is this PA10 stripped lower SKU482753 now a modified version? Really trying to stay away from having to modify the brand new SSA-E trigger that I have for this build. Greatly appreciate any information from folks that have SSA-E and PA10 from Palmetto. Regards, Shadow I'd like to know also. Is the first PA10 Lower made the same as the lowers being currently shipped out? Thanks |
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[#38]
Just got my new Geissele SD-C trigger installed into my PA-10 build and guess what?
That's right, same damn problem. Locked the gun up tighter than a nun's vahjayjay..... This is beyond pissing me off. I have dumped money into this gun and it won't even function with standard components. If only I could get a refund..... |
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[#39]
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Just got my new Geissele SD-C trigger installed into my PA-10 build and guess what? That's right, same damn problem. Locked the gun up tighter than a nun's vahjayjay..... This is beyond pissing me off. I have dumped money into this gun and it won't even function with standard components. If only I could get a refund..... View Quote So you bought a trigger pack with the same hammer as one that's known to need modification, expect it to somehow work differently, then claim it's standard components? You might be slightly ridiculous. Modify it per per giessele's specs (like they have been for other manufacturer's lowers) and you'll get the result you expect. OR, buy actual standard components. |
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So you bought a trigger pack with the same hammer as one that's known to need modification, expect it to somehow work differently, then claim it's standard components? You might be slightly ridiculous. Modify it per per giessele's specs (like they have been for other manufacturer's lowers) and you'll get the result you expect. OR, buy actual standard components. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just got my new Geissele SD-C trigger installed into my PA-10 build and guess what? That's right, same damn problem. Locked the gun up tighter than a nun's vahjayjay..... This is beyond pissing me off. I have dumped money into this gun and it won't even function with standard components. If only I could get a refund..... So you bought a trigger pack with the same hammer as one that's known to need modification, expect it to somehow work differently, then claim it's standard components? You might be slightly ridiculous. Modify it per per giessele's specs (like they have been for other manufacturer's lowers) and you'll get the result you expect. OR, buy actual standard components. Not once is this trigger listed in this thread as being problematic....which is simply a coincidence, as I didn't feel the need to research and find out if a standard AR trigger would work in my build before purchasing. I mean, why would anyone EXPECT to find an issue with a trigger installed into a supposedly spec'd lower? Am I supposed to know that they share the same hammer? Is that stated in the description of the trigger? |
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[#42]
Quoted: Not once is this trigger listed in this thread as being problematic....which is simply a coincidence, as I didn't feel the need to research and find out if a standard AR trigger would work in my build before purchasing. I mean, why would anyone EXPECT to find an issue with a trigger installed into a supposedly spec'd lower? Am I supposed to know that they share the same hammer? Is that stated in the description of the trigger? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just got my new Geissele SD-C trigger installed into my PA-10 build and guess what? That's right, same damn problem. Locked the gun up tighter than a nun's vahjayjay..... This is beyond pissing me off. I have dumped money into this gun and it won't even function with standard components. If only I could get a refund..... So you bought a trigger pack with the same hammer as one that's known to need modification, expect it to somehow work differently, then claim it's standard components? You might be slightly ridiculous. Modify it per per giessele's specs (like they have been for other manufacturer's lowers) and you'll get the result you expect. OR, buy actual standard components. Not once is this trigger listed in this thread as being problematic....which is simply a coincidence, as I didn't feel the need to research and find out if a standard AR trigger would work in my build before purchasing. I mean, why would anyone EXPECT to find an issue with a trigger installed into a supposedly spec'd lower? Am I supposed to know that they share the same hammer? Is that stated in the description of the trigger? |
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[#43]
This is interesting. A complete lower with a Giessele SSA already built in from PSA
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/18991/s/psa-pa10-complete-acs-l-308-lower-w-ssa-trigger-overmolded-grip/category/4376/ |
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[#44]
I'm in the same boat as the rest of you, I didn't know this when I purchased the lower, which is why its still sitting here in its original bubble wrap unused. I wish I could talk ANYONE locally into buying it, that's bin a P.I.T.A. though. Waste of $175 after FFL, etc. For that price Id rather spend the extra $75 on a billet lower.
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