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Its another 134.10 dollars and life can change a lot in 2.5 years! View Quote I hear that!!! Spent a few thousand on dental work already this year and looking at another $7K in 2015..... Not to mention that between the time I ordered and received the rifle, I met a fantastic woman and got married..... That really kicked up the bills right there!!!! |
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"NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was under the impression that if you received a 14.5" FG, muzzle device pinned & welded, then you would receive the same set-up with the MG. If you received a 16" or 18" FG barrel, the MG would come with an A2 Hider unless you paid for the upgrade. You can simply remove the muzzle device off of your FREE FG barrel and place it on your new MG....No big deal. We receive so much free shit from LaRue this is a no-brainer! Just sell all of the free items received from LaRue and you will have plenty money to purchase additional muzzle devices. Look at it this way...They could've just used the same gas tube & gas block from the FG to place on our MG's, leaving us just a barrel. Which would have still be an outstanding circumstance. No they should honor what they said and not make us pay. "NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. If you're okay with a company reneging on a deal that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us to be okay with it. No one here is getting a handout. We agreed to purchase a rifle with a FG with the condition that it will be replaced with a MG barrel with EVERYTHING the FG came with. Your logic is flawed at best with "I don't care what Larues says..." Based on that why bother with contracts or agreements? "What if Larue changed their mind..." Now it's my turn to ask you. Are you serious? |
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If you're okay with a company reneging on a deal that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us to be okay with it. No one here is getting a handout. We agreed to purchase a rifle with a FG with the condition that it will be replaced with a MG barrel with EVERYTHING the FG came with. Your logic is flawed at best with "I don't care what Larues says..." Based on that why bother with contracts or agreements? "What if Larue changed their mind..." Now it's my turn to ask you. Are you serious? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was under the impression that if you received a 14.5" FG, muzzle device pinned & welded, then you would receive the same set-up with the MG. If you received a 16" or 18" FG barrel, the MG would come with an A2 Hider unless you paid for the upgrade. You can simply remove the muzzle device off of your FREE FG barrel and place it on your new MG....No big deal. We receive so much free shit from LaRue this is a no-brainer! Just sell all of the free items received from LaRue and you will have plenty money to purchase additional muzzle devices. Look at it this way...They could've just used the same gas tube & gas block from the FG to place on our MG's, leaving us just a barrel. Which would have still be an outstanding circumstance. No they should honor what they said and not make us pay. "NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. If you're okay with a company reneging on a deal that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us to be okay with it. No one here is getting a handout. We agreed to purchase a rifle with a FG with the condition that it will be replaced with a MG barrel with EVERYTHING the FG came with. Your logic is flawed at best with "I don't care what Larues says..." Based on that why bother with contracts or agreements? "What if Larue changed their mind..." Now it's my turn to ask you. Are you serious? Buying a rifle is hardly a contract...I didn't sign anything. Especially being you don't put up a single dollar until the rifle is ready. We all had the choice to pass on the FG barrel, but of course you wouldn't do that. Just think about what you are crying about...simply remove the muzzle device that you paid for off of the free FG and place it on your MG...Easy! "we are awash in Field Grade quality barrels. So, to get rifles out into long-awaited folks' hands, we are going to offer to send rifles with a Field Grade barrel on it. These Stainless-Steel barrels are nothing to look down upon, but they’re just not on par with the ones we’ll be producing soon. Consider the Field Grade barrel as a "beater" barrel to use and abuse. The rifle will ship with a coupon for a no-cost follow-on barrel that we'll send out once we're satisfied with our setup. Be advised, But you don't have to take us up on this offer. You may stay in line if you wish." "1× Barrel-PredatOBR (A2 FH unless pays for upcharge)" |
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Buying a rifle is hardly a contract...I didn't sign anything. Especially being you don't put up a single dollar until the rifle is ready. We all had the choice to pass on the FG barrel, but of course you wouldn't do that. Just think about what you are crying about...simply remove the muzzle device that you paid for off of the free FG and place it on your MG...Easy! "we are awash in Field Grade quality barrels. So, to get rifles out into long-awaited folks' hands, we are going to offer to send rifles with a Field Grade barrel on it. These Stainless-Steel barrels are nothing to look down upon, but they’re just not on par with the ones we’ll be producing soon. Consider the Field Grade barrel as a "beater" barrel to use and abuse. The rifle will ship with a coupon for a no-cost follow-on barrel that we'll send out once we're satisfied with our setup. Be advised, But you don't have to take us up on this offer. You may stay in line if you wish." "1× Barrel-PredatOBR (A2 FH unless pays for upcharge)" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was under the impression that if you received a 14.5" FG, muzzle device pinned & welded, then you would receive the same set-up with the MG. If you received a 16" or 18" FG barrel, the MG would come with an A2 Hider unless you paid for the upgrade. You can simply remove the muzzle device off of your FREE FG barrel and place it on your new MG....No big deal. We receive so much free shit from LaRue this is a no-brainer! Just sell all of the free items received from LaRue and you will have plenty money to purchase additional muzzle devices. Look at it this way...They could've just used the same gas tube & gas block from the FG to place on our MG's, leaving us just a barrel. Which would have still be an outstanding circumstance. No they should honor what they said and not make us pay. "NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. If you're okay with a company reneging on a deal that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us to be okay with it. No one here is getting a handout. We agreed to purchase a rifle with a FG with the condition that it will be replaced with a MG barrel with EVERYTHING the FG came with. Your logic is flawed at best with "I don't care what Larues says..." Based on that why bother with contracts or agreements? "What if Larue changed their mind..." Now it's my turn to ask you. Are you serious? Buying a rifle is hardly a contract...I didn't sign anything. Especially being you don't put up a single dollar until the rifle is ready. We all had the choice to pass on the FG barrel, but of course you wouldn't do that. Just think about what you are crying about...simply remove the muzzle device that you paid for off of the free FG and place it on your MG...Easy! "we are awash in Field Grade quality barrels. So, to get rifles out into long-awaited folks' hands, we are going to offer to send rifles with a Field Grade barrel on it. These Stainless-Steel barrels are nothing to look down upon, but they’re just not on par with the ones we’ll be producing soon. Consider the Field Grade barrel as a "beater" barrel to use and abuse. The rifle will ship with a coupon for a no-cost follow-on barrel that we'll send out once we're satisfied with our setup. Be advised, But you don't have to take us up on this offer. You may stay in line if you wish." "1× Barrel-PredatOBR (A2 FH unless pays for upcharge)" Must be real serious he is using red text! |
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You know, it's funny how we all know ML lurks on this forum yet he rarely replies to the complainers and whiners. So he isn't going to reply to this either. Its obvious that a lot of people aren't happy with how he does business. I love how so many of the guys that are high on Dillo Dust® feel the need to fight ML's battles as if you are more informed then the rest of us who have seriously lacked communication over the last 2 years. Let me lay this out for you. Sunday will mark 2 years since I have placed my rifle order and I still do not have the product that I paid for in full. People that ordered a year after me, the exact same rifle mind you, have. But I'm "so lucky" because I got my lower, then the FG barrel. Well I'm pissed now because of this lack of info because all that glitters is not gold. ML started selling us our lowers for $1200+, what great customer service! No, that was barrel making fundraising in disguise as customer service, and to keep the warry from canceling their orders. Then there was the field grade barrel "gift" that did promise an extra muzzle device of the same style that was ordered (and even a horrible lawyer could win that battle).
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(Part 2)There was no info telling us that us lucky schmucks that got the FG would move to the back of the damn line. That's crap. You don't think that if we knew that up front, we wouldn't have said shove that FG up your ass? So now that I'm lucky and have my rifle that shoots sub par, (may be my fault because I refuse to spend time and money on load development for a barrel that will have different harmonics than the MG) I should be happy because of all the "free SWAG" that I have received. Nothing in life is free. All that SWAG is part of what you pay for. It is included in the price, its just up to the people at LT to decide what, and how much we get. Stop trying to make us look like the ass holes for not being happy when we were deceived into not canceling a long time ago. Honestly ML's plan worked because I didn't want to go through the hassle of returning the lower after I received it and eating the FFL cost. Still, you are out of your mind if you really think that this has been great customer service.
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From the order tracking thread. . . .
16.1" tOBR 7.62 Ordered 7/15/2014 Delivered 10/30/2014 Test target was a .446. I'm still waiting for the MG barrel - original order June 2012. What the. . . . |
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"NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was under the impression that if you received a 14.5" FG, muzzle device pinned & welded, then you would receive the same set-up with the MG. If you received a 16" or 18" FG barrel, the MG would come with an A2 Hider unless you paid for the upgrade. You can simply remove the muzzle device off of your FREE FG barrel and place it on your new MG....No big deal. We receive so much free shit from LaRue this is a no-brainer! Just sell all of the free items received from LaRue and you will have plenty money to purchase additional muzzle devices. Look at it this way...They could've just used the same gas tube & gas block from the FG to place on our MG's, leaving us just a barrel. Which would have still be an outstanding circumstance. No they should honor what they said and not make us pay. "NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. Nobody is expecting free handouts. They are expecting what they were told would happen. |
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Quoted: I was under the impression that if you received a 14.5" FG, muzzle device pinned & welded, then you would receive the same set-up with the MG. If you received a 16" or 18" FG barrel, the MG would come with an A2 Hider unless you paid for the upgrade. You can simply remove the muzzle device off of your FREE FG barrel and place it on your new MG....No big deal. We receive so much free shit from LaRue this is a no-brainer! Just sell all of the free items received from LaRue and you will have plenty money to purchase additional muzzle devices. Look at it this way...They could've just used the same gas tube & gas block from the FG to place on our MG's, leaving us just a barrel. Which would have still be an outstanding circumstance. View Quote If you go back and look at the thread the only promise about matching muzzle devices for free was with the pinned and welded 14.5" barrels.
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Quoted: (Part 2)There was no info telling us that us lucky schmucks that got the FG would move to the back of the damn line. That's crap. You don't think that if we knew that up front, we wouldn't have said shove that FG up your ass? So now that I'm lucky and have my rifle that shoots sub par, (may be my fault because I refuse to spend time and money on load development for a barrel that will have different harmonics than the MG) I should be happy because of all the "free SWAG" that I have received. Nothing in life is free. All that SWAG is part of what you pay for. It is included in the price, its just up to the people at LT to decide what, and how much we get. Stop trying to make us look like the ass holes for not being happy when we were deceived into not canceling a long time ago. Honestly ML's plan worked because I didn't want to go through the hassle of returning the lower after I received it and eating the FFL cost. Still, you are out of your mind if you really think that this has been great customer service. View Quote You didn't want to hassle with returning the lower due to FFL cost? $25-50 USD? You were pissed enough to return your lower but didn't want to loose $50 bucks?.......O..K?? You say you are waiting two years for an item that is still not complete. Obviously you have a FG barrel. What caliber and barrel length is your FG barrel out of curiosity? Does your FG barrel not shoot accurately? As I said above everyone has their right to expect whatever they want to expect with a purchase, however; if you are going to complain it would be prudent to do so with facts and not speculation or embellishment that makes your argument sound better. You said yourself ,"you refuse to spend time and money on load development for a barrel that will have different harmonics that the MG" with all due respect that is an ignorant horseshit statement. I shoot the same load in my 18" tOBR FG barrel as I do in my 18" OBR, and both are capable of hitting a human sized target at 1400 yards consistently. I can give you some YouTube links to verify that. I do not typically respond to these types of posts because nothing technically beneficial comes from it, but a nerve was hit with your assumptions and argument. Your FG barrel may very well shoot the exact same load as your future MG barrel, you will certainly never know if you don't find out. Does it not interest you to find out if it shots well? If you spent a little time and money on load development, that you refuse to do, you might just find it is a shooter and Larue has done you a favor. Now look what happens, you don't need a redundant length MG barrel, now you get to order another length, because by spending a little time and money you found your FG is a shooter. Now order a new length and reap the benefits. Did that ever cross your mind? Did you just get turned off by the fact that you have a "Field Grade" barrel and expect it won't shoot? Maybe it does not, I have heard of some that don't, but more likely, maybe it does, but how would you know? Then again it's always possible it this world of instant gratification that you are one of those people that will never be happy, I'm not saying that is the case just a possibility, as I do not know you. There are a lot of rifle MFGs out there, if you are not happy with Larue products and feel that you were "deceived" I have to believe you are in the minority. It's unfortunate you are unhappy with your Larue rifle and service, that fact is going to make it very hard to find one that does make you happy, where do you go from the top? If you are that upset IM me with your rifle specs and I might take it off your hands, don't worry ill pay the FFL fees. ETA clarification |
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I really don't care if I have to pay for another Surefire SOCOM muzzle brake. But I would like the option to purchase the shorter handguard so I could use my suppressor with a 14.5" barrel.
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I will trade my stock and grip for a short 7.62 tOBR handguard. . .
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Most of the problem stems from lack of communication. Seems when LT does communicate it is always reactive vs proactive. There have also been many cryptic communications that cause confusion and assumption. Case and point....everyone swore up and down that MG barrels would come with same muzzle device as the FG barrel. Everyone swore up and down that tOBR MG barrels would simply be sent out instead of going back to LT for test firing. A simple email or post from LT describing the FG/MG program & process would have gone a long way, especially in the beginning. Sometimes it seems as if LT is making things up as they go instead of developing, communicating, and executing a plan.
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Safetyoff, I'm not an instant gratification kind of guy. I was quoted 4-6 weeks for my tar 5.56 18". That was pre Sandy Hook, so I understood that the wait changed. But a lot of the wait was not just because of that, it was barrel production. I just wasn't happy with only getting an update once every 4 months plus.I'm not happy with the overall accuracy of my rifle. I feel that a 1-8 twist should be dead on with a 62 grain projectile. It definitely requires heavier loads that are a bit overkill for varments. I haven't played around with it much basically because ammo isn't cheap and I have other guns to shoot that are accurate. I just feel that its a waste of time to toy with a barrel that is coming off by the end of the year. I'm not the only one ticked about the order of things. First cone first serve is a better business sense than u almost have what you ordered so u can wait for the guys a year later in line. I didn't like that. I had the option to hold out, yes, but I didn't know that's how things would go down. Just saying, there are people unsatisfied and when someone voices that, they get putnon the wrong side of a firing line so to speak. I will be the first to admit that we live in a world of handouts and playing the system, I guess that's why the old "customer is always right" motto has gone out the window.
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Dude. Been waiting the same wait, spending the same money, and getting the same freebies. Why did you take him up on the FG just to kick the can down the road? We all knew (within reasonable assumption of common sense which may have been too presumptive an assumption ) that it wouldn't be a 2 week wait. You're right around the corner from getting your barrel. Why freak out now?
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I took a chance on the FG. I really didn't know what to expect. Some of us do have sub par barrels and we get made fun of and called lowsy shooters. Really I'm just sick of everyone taking marks side on a rifle that they have never seen much less shot. Basically the fact that others are upset and posting it on here is the reason that I bring this up now. To show everyone that it's not just 1 or 2 people that think communication from LT was minimal and misleading. Am I going to sell my rifle over it? No the money was already spent and is in their pocket. Will I buy from LT again? Chances are slim. Yes the rifle is a beautiful work of art, so is a JP or Wilson in the same price range. Just know this. We were mistreated. Things are out of order. It's not the consumers' fault.
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Alright fellow shooters, an observation...you guys all see how many threads pop up on here attempting to elicit a response of some sort from Larue. Sometimes it is legitimate request many other times it's just playing grab ass. I have a FG barrel and it's fine, I've owned one of each length, all fine. If Larue spends their time responding to all of the silliness that goes on here they'd never make our MG barrels.
To those who are really upset, I hope you get what you want soon so we can all move on. If you're tired of waiting then sell it. You can get 3500-4000 for that rifle with the coupon. As usual though when a thread gets this long it flies off target and wipes out some little village in Lithuania so post responsibly. |
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Quoted: I took a chance on the FG. I really didn't know what to expect. Some of us do have sub par barrels and we get made fun of and called lowsy shooters. Really I'm just sick of everyone taking marks side on a rifle that they have never seen much less shot. Basically the fact that others are upset and posting it on here is the reason that I bring this up now. To show everyone that it's not just 1 or 2 people that think communication from LT was minimal and misleading. Am I going to sell my rifle over it? No the money was already spent and is in their pocket. Will I buy from LT again? Chances are slim. Yes the rifle is a beautiful work of art, so is a JP or Wilson in the same price range. Just know this. We were mistreated. Things are out of order. It's not the consumers' fault. View Quote The FG 762 barrel I have shoots anything I feed it 1/2 MOA. The MG replacement shoots terrible 2" groups all day long with virtually everything, I spent a lot of time with it and a lot of frustration before I found what it WILL shoot sub MOA consistently, it took time though. It just seems like the entire post is based on something that you have not, by your own words, even proven. You stated a 1/8 ROT should shoot a 62g bullet dead on. Which 62g bullet? How many different ones? Firstly ROT Is simply the barrels physical ability to stabilize a projectile up to a certain length. Except in the extreme ends of Velocity, barrel length, or bullet weight-for-twist , ROT has little if any effect on accuracy. A 1-8 in standard 556 barrel length/velocity conditions with projectiles from 55-77 grains, has no inherent ability to shoot one weight bullet more accurately than another. The 762 tOBR MG barrel referenced above will not shoot 175g bullets in any form or fashion, not even 175 FGMM, the shootist got lucky with the test target However, feed it 168s and it shoots easily sub MOA. Based on your "twist logic" this makes no sense with a 1/10. Barrels can be picky and don't care what bullet YOU want it to shoot. I do understand your displeasure with the timeline but as I said above your displeasure might be moot if you spent a little more time with your rifle. I wouldn't even have responded had you not said again that, in a nutshell, you have not proven it won't shoot. Hopefully your MG barrel is just around the corner. |
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ETA: political correctness
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. Stuff like this is what happens when you make decisions while ticked off.... Rarely does anything good come of it.... I apologize to the board!
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Quoted: Wish now that I never would have started this thread. Stuff like this is what happens when you make decisions while ticked off.... Rarely does anything good come of it.... I apologize to the board! View Quote Don't worry about it. It was still relevant info for this thread. Because the people on this particular thread have probably waited the longest for a "complete" rifle, some of the responses are not unexpected. Heck, if my FG was a bad shooter I would be pretty upset too. |
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. Stuff like this is what happens when you make decisions while ticked off.... Rarely does anything good come of it.... I apologize to the board! View Quote No need to apologize. I've been in this line with you for a couple of years now and have never seen anything but respectful and reasonable posts from you. I myself jumped at the FG barrel knowing full well that it would put me back at the end of the line. Hopefully that long wait is nearly over. |
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Maybe once all the back orders are filled it wont be sour grapes! Just sent mine back! This is a good thread and we need threads like this because of the lack of communication!
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Recently sent back a 14.5 that had a pinned and welded socom break. Its only been at the shop for a week, but after this I am concerned that it will be returned with a pinned A2. Not sure what I will do if that happens.
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Recently sent back a 14.5 that had a pinned and welded socom break. Its only been at the shop for a week, but after this I am concerned that it will be returned with a pinned A2. Not sure what I will do if that happens. View Quote It won't…A2 Hider will not make the barrel legal. It will have the same set-up that you purchased and received on the FG. |
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I was under the impression that if you received a 14.5" FG, muzzle device pinned & welded, then you would receive the same set-up with the MG. If you received a 16" or 18" FG barrel, the MG would come with an A2 Hider unless you paid for the upgrade. You can simply remove the muzzle device off of your FREE FG barrel and place it on your new MG....No big deal. We receive so much free shit from LaRue this is a no-brainer! Just sell all of the free items received from LaRue and you will have plenty money to purchase additional muzzle devices. Look at it this way...They could've just used the same gas tube & gas block from the FG to place on our MG's, leaving us just a barrel. Which would have still be an outstanding circumstance. No they should honor what they said and not make us pay. "NOT MAKE US PAY"...are you serious! If you can't scrounge up 80-100 bucks for a muzzle device then you shouldn't be dropping 2,000-3,600 bucks on one of these rifles. Its that simple...I don't care what LaRue says they will do or give us or hand out, the fact of the matter is that you receive what you initially intended to purchase, which was a rifle....not extra barrels, free muzzle devices, or slings, not seasoning, bumper stickers, ball caps or sling mounts. That's what's wrong with our country now...everyone expecting "Free" handouts!..."well they said this" and "they said that". What if LaRue changed their mind, they all rights to do so as long as you get your rifle as initially intended when you placed the order. If you're okay with a company reneging on a deal that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us to be okay with it. No one here is getting a handout. We agreed to purchase a rifle with a FG with the condition that it will be replaced with a MG barrel with EVERYTHING the FG came with. Your logic is flawed at best with "I don't care what Larues says..." Based on that why bother with contracts or agreements? "What if Larue changed their mind..." Now it's my turn to ask you. Are you serious? Buying a rifle is hardly a contract...I didn't sign anything. Especially being you don't put up a single dollar until the rifle is ready. We all had the choice to pass on the FG barrel, but of course you wouldn't do that. Just think about what you are crying about...simply remove the muzzle device that you paid for off of the free FG and place it on your MG...Easy! "we are awash in Field Grade quality barrels. So, to get rifles out into long-awaited folks' hands, we are going to offer to send rifles with a Field Grade barrel on it. These Stainless-Steel barrels are nothing to look down upon, but they’re just not on par with the ones we’ll be producing soon. Consider the Field Grade barrel as a "beater" barrel to use and abuse. The rifle will ship with a coupon for a no-cost follow-on barrel that we'll send out once we're satisfied with our setup. Be advised, But you don't have to take us up on this offer. You may stay in line if you wish." "1× Barrel-PredatOBR (A2 FH unless pays for upcharge)" Buying a rifle with certain specs is indeed a contract-Larue offers,you accepted,then you paid,then they delivered.The barrel did not meet the specs(field grade),so a match grade barrel was offered( to be delivered later) -along with added benies,to include muzzle device(-as posted on this site) |
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Recently sent back a 14.5 that had a pinned and welded socom break. Its only been at the shop for a week, but after this I am concerned that it will be returned with a pinned A2. Not sure what I will do if that happens. I would call Monday and try to get an answer for myself... Thanks Soonerman! Best idea yet and clear all this up! |
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. Stuff like this is what happens when you make decisions while ticked off.... Rarely does anything good come of it.... I apologize to the board! View Quote This thread has been great....its been our only source of information over the past several months. |
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. View Quote LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... |
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LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... What was your test target? What are your best groups? |
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... What was your test target? What are your best groups? IIRC, the FG barrels did not ship with test targets (but the MG replacements will). |
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LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... Ooops!!!! Bad hair day all around!!!!!! I didn't start the thread, but maybe I hijacked it!!!! |
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Wish now that I never would have started this thread. LOL! You didn't! Take a look back at the OP, and quit feeling bad about it! :-) Tommy (The OP) And yes, I'm one of those poor ba$tards whose FG won't shoot for sh1t; and yes, I've done load development (and tested factory ammo) out the wazoo. I will hit the "waiting for 1 year" mark on Wednesday... Ooops!!!! Bad hair day all around!!!!!! I didn't start the thread, but maybe I hijacked it!!!! I suppose you invented the internet instead of Al Gore..... |
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Texas Red-thanks for starting this topic/thread or whatever its called.It has given us with legitimate concerns re how this was process was going to unfold, a place to vent.
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BTW, lower with new RAT stock coming back on Thursday.... No idea when the upper will get back......
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Have any of you received a 14.5" 7.62 MG barrel to replace your FG barrel?
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I shipped mine back last friday! Takes a week to arrive at the motherland!
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Unless I missed something that was order 44xxx right? I'm waiting on a 14.5" MG for 388xx. I wonder whats up. Was there something odd aboit your order? I havent missed an email.
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Just received the email the upper is ready for UPS to pick it up and speed it on its merry way back home!!!!!! Mine is a 16.1" TOBR.
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My tOBR is going on 3 weeks at the shop, should I call and see, or is this a normal amount of time for them to have it?
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