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The average to center numbers are pretty damn good in all of your gourps, especially in that second pic. I wonder if those "fliers" are a result of the trigger or fall within the range of what the barrel's accuracy? I wonder if you can get those two "fliers" to come in a bit more with a better trigger?
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The average to center numbers are pretty damn good in all of your gourps, especially in that second pic. I wonder if those "fliers" are a result of the trigger or fall within the range of what the barrel's accuracy? I wonder if you can get those two "fliers" to come in a bit more with a better trigger? View Quote I think on a better day with a better trigger, like my Geissele SSA that is on the other lower that I'm doing a newer build for. That one is the original lower I used for the first test on the other page. I am matching the BCM BFH 16" Midlength barrel I also just got from them with that trigger. I think even a good quality mill spec trigger probably would have been a little better. There was 5-10mph wind gusts I was trying to shoot in between. There was a severe thunderstorm a couple of counties over from where I was shooting which was causing some of this wind. All in all though this day was much better than my 1st time out with this barrel. It was partly sunny and was not raining at all this time. When I get out next time I'm probably going to try it with the other lower until I can get another Geissele SSA For the lower that will be with the ELW barrel. I love his triggers! I think these groups have the potential to get a little tighter with some tweaking of things. I'll probably try some different bullets in the future too. IMHO for what this barrel is designed for, the groups are excellent. ETA. I also forgot to mention that at 23.1 to 23.2 grains the groups had started to open up quite a bit and then started to tighten backup at 23.3 grains. There were no pressure signs at that charge and next time out I may try going a little hotter to see what happens. Maybe the groups will tighten up even more, maybe not. |
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I was waiting on this barrel myself but got tired of waiting and bought the COLT AR6720 upper. I lucked out and got a decent shooter, but, I do think that the BCM has the better designed barrel and the right gas system for a 16" barrel.
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I'm in the same boat! I really don't want to miss out on this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They really are making it hard to hold out for a BFH ELW upper I'm in the same boat! I really don't want to miss out on this. Never thought I would ever see the day BCM gives away a BCM marked Bolt Carrier Group for FREE Especially considering how they went up in price and how many folks bought em up speculated and doubled their money or tripled their money on them..... I am guessing once they clear out these the BFH barrels with new gas blocks will come out and those will be selling like hotcakes back at the regular pricing.... They cant do this forever...can they? I mean FREE BCM Gunfighter bolt carrier groups? with free Mod0 muzzle brakes to boot on some uppers? |
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Never thought I would ever see the day BCM gives away a BCM marked Bolt Carrier Group for FREE Especially considering how they went up in price and how many folks bought em up speculated and doubled their money or tripled their money on them..... I am guessing once they clear out these the BFH barrels with new gas blocks will come out and those will be selling like hotcakes back at the regular pricing.... They cant do this forever...can they? I mean FREE BCM Gunfighter bolt carrier groups? with free Mod0 muzzle brakes to boot on some uppers? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They really are making it hard to hold out for a BFH ELW upper I'm in the same boat! I really don't want to miss out on this. Never thought I would ever see the day BCM gives away a BCM marked Bolt Carrier Group for FREE Especially considering how they went up in price and how many folks bought em up speculated and doubled their money or tripled their money on them..... I am guessing once they clear out these the BFH barrels with new gas blocks will come out and those will be selling like hotcakes back at the regular pricing.... They cant do this forever...can they? I mean FREE BCM Gunfighter bolt carrier groups? with free Mod0 muzzle brakes to boot on some uppers? They'll stop, right when i get ready to buy one. |
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I ordered a ELW w/ kmr13 this morning that will be here tomorrow
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congrats that (to me) is the best version...
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Quoted: OK got back out to the range yesterday and put some hand loads through it. This time I mounted the upper on a different lower which was a DPMS With an ALG defense trigger. I have to say though that I hate this fucking trigger and will be replacing it ASAP. My other Spikes lower with the SSA trigger is undergoing a rebuild with a new buffertube, and a new Spikes Billet upper on the way 1st of all let me state that the reason that I not like this trigger is because it is unpredictable. There is very very little preset and sometimes none at all. So in these groups I'm about to show you there are a couple of flyers from when I was caught off guard because of the inconsistencies of this trigger. All in all though, it didn't do too bad and the groups this time were tighter than with the factory loads from my 1st review. I am posting 3 pics of 3 different targets, one of which I eliminated 2 of the Flyers In my tightest group because in my mind it was not the fault of the barrel, but the fault of the shooter. You can use your own judgment.That target will be in the 2nd pic. I have to say that after this outing I am becoming even more impressed with this barrel for what it is. It is definitely a keeper. LC 1 fired brass 09 with a few 07 snuck in. Could those have been the Flyers? 77 gr SMK's with Cannelure. Best groups were with 22.8 - 23.0 - 23.3 grs of IMR8208XBR. 23.3 is considered max in most data. Seated to 2.250-2.255 Temp-78* Relitive HUM 73% Wind speed 5-10 mph http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn110/friendly12008/TgtGfx_zpse8b12ecb.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn110/friendly12008/TgtGfxjpg2_zpsdfda12fd.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn110/friendly12008/TgtGfxjpg3_zpse315be0b.jpg View Quote I am happy with those results.
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They really are making it hard to hold out for a BFH ELW upper I'm in the same boat! I really don't want to miss out on this. Never thought I would ever see the day BCM gives away a BCM marked Bolt Carrier Group for FREE Especially considering how they went up in price and how many folks bought em up speculated and doubled their money or tripled their money on them..... I am guessing once they clear out these the BFH barrels with new gas blocks will come out and those will be selling like hotcakes back at the regular pricing.... They cant do this forever...can they? I mean FREE BCM Gunfighter bolt carrier groups? with free Mod0 muzzle brakes to boot on some uppers? They'll stop, right when i get ready to buy one. Just my luck too, I get my paycheck and they're sold out. You know the next round won't be as generous. |
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OK got back out to the range yesterday and put some hand loads through it. This time I mounted the upper on a different lower which was a DPMS With an ALG defense trigger. I have to say though that I hate this fucking trigger and will be replacing it ASAP. My other Spikes lower with the SSA trigger is undergoing a rebuild with a new buffertube, and a new Spikes Billet upper on the way 1st of all let me state that the reason that I not like this trigger is because it is unpredictable. There is very very little preset and sometimes none at all. So in these groups I'm about to show you there are a couple of flyers from when I was caught off guard because of the inconsistencies of this trigger. All in all though, it didn't do too bad and the groups this time were tighter than with the factory loads from my 1st review. I am posting 3 pics of 3 different targets, one of which I eliminated 2 of the Flyers In my tightest group because in my mind it was not the fault of the barrel, but the fault of the shooter. You can use your own judgment.That target will be in the 2nd pic. I have to say that after this outing I am becoming even more impressed with this barrel for what it is. It is definitely a keeper. LC 1 fired brass 09 with a few 07 snuck in. Could those have been the Flyers? 77 gr SMK's with Cannelure. Best groups were with 22.8 - 23.0 - 23.3 grs of IMR8208XBR. 23.3 is considered max in most data. Seated to 2.250-2.255 Temp-78* Relitive HUM 73% Wind speed 5-10 mph http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn110/friendly12008/TgtGfx_zpse8b12ecb.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn110/friendly12008/TgtGfxjpg2_zpsdfda12fd.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn110/friendly12008/TgtGfxjpg3_zpse315be0b.jpg I am happy with those results. Yeah I mounted an Eotech on it today to see how light it would really be after having my Razor on it and it feels like a toy Once I get a few good loads worked up for it, the Eotech will be it's partner, and the Razor is going on my BCM BFH 16" build I'm doing this weekend. The nice thing about the Bobro mount is I can just switch it back to the ELW rifle for working up loads. It returned right to zero this past weekend when I re-mounted it for the above range report. I am going to try and get out this coming weekend to run some more of those 77s through it with the better trigger. I eventually want to try some Nosler 69s through it also, and some hand loaded 62 fusions. |
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Box number 1 came today 16" ELW with 13" kmr <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg</a> Have to wait until tomorrow for box number 2 to finish her up View Quote LPK trigger? |
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Box number 1 came today 16" ELW with 13" kmr <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg</a> Have to wait until tomorrow for box number 2 to finish her up View Quote I can't wait to see your finished product. I love this shit!!!!!!!!!! Pleas post some more pics!! |
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Box number 1 came today 16" ELW with 13" kmr <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg</a> Have to wait until tomorrow for box number 2 to finish her up LPK trigger? Colt factory trigger. Also, for those of you interested in weight |
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Quoted: Yeah I mounted an Eotech on it today to see how light it would really be after having my Razor on it and it feels like a toy Once I get a few good loads worked up for it, the Eotech will be it's partner, and the Razor is going on my BCM BFH 16" build I'm doing this weekend. The nice thing about the Bobro mount is I can just switch it back to the ELW rifle for working up loads. It returned right to zero this past weekend when I re-mounted it for the above range report. I am going to try and get out this coming weekend to run some more of those 77s through it with the better trigger. I eventually want to try some Nosler 69s through it also, and some hand loaded 62 fusions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Yeah I mounted an Eotech on it today to see how light it would really be after having my Razor on it and it feels like a toy Once I get a few good loads worked up for it, the Eotech will be it's partner, and the Razor is going on my BCM BFH 16" build I'm doing this weekend. The nice thing about the Bobro mount is I can just switch it back to the ELW rifle for working up loads. It returned right to zero this past weekend when I re-mounted it for the above range report. I am going to try and get out this coming weekend to run some more of those 77s through it with the better trigger. I eventually want to try some Nosler 69s through it also, and some hand loaded 62 fusions. |
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Box number 1 came today 16" ELW with 13" kmr <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg</a> Have to wait until tomorrow for box number 2 to finish her up I can't wait to see your finished product. I love this shit!!!!!!!!!! Pleas post some more pics!! Second box came today I have a Gunfighter mod 0 to put on as soon as I can find a hex bit in my garage to swap out the BG16. The last touch will be the T1 whenever it gets here from Larue. |
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Second box came today I have a Gunfighter mod 0 to put on as soon as I can find a hex bit in my garage to swap out the BG16. The last touch will be the T1 whenever it gets here from Larue. <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28216A7F-A793-4F38-AC7D-6FF4A3CBD642_zpsh9b83mjn.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28216A7F-A793-4F38-AC7D-6FF4A3CBD642_zpsh9b83mjn.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Box number 1 came today 16" ELW with 13" kmr <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28AA29B0-CA7D-4E6D-AF9B-5B0B2A2CA588_zpsrb5weybb.jpg</a> Have to wait until tomorrow for box number 2 to finish her up I can't wait to see your finished product. I love this shit!!!!!!!!!! Pleas post some more pics!! Second box came today I have a Gunfighter mod 0 to put on as soon as I can find a hex bit in my garage to swap out the BG16. The last touch will be the T1 whenever it gets here from Larue. <a href="http://s6.photobucket.com/user/tboneguy915/media/28216A7F-A793-4F38-AC7D-6FF4A3CBD642_zpsh9b83mjn.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/tboneguy915/28216A7F-A793-4F38-AC7D-6FF4A3CBD642_zpsh9b83mjn.jpg</a> IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII..................LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLike it!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks man!!! Got my eye candy for the day |
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Also, for those of you interested in weight View Quote What does that scale say, 3.54 pounds? That's for the upper with 16" ELW mid-length barrel w/ 13" KMR Handguard? Is the bolt group installed in the upper? Because that seems really light! |
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Also, for those of you interested in weight What does that scale say, 3.54 pounds? That's for the upper with 16" ELW mid-length barrel w/ 13" KMR Handguard? Is the bolt group installed in the upper? Because that seems really light! You can see the BCG inside the upper in the pic. The uppers really are stupid light, a 14.5 ELW fluted with a 13" KMR weighed within ounces of my 11.5 lighweight BCM barrel with a 10" Samson Evolution rail. If I recall correctly the ELW upper was actually lighter. |
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You can see the BCG inside the upper in the pic. The uppers really are stupid light, a 14.5 ELW fluted with a 13" KMR weighed within ounces of my 11.5 lighweight BCM barrel with a 10" Samson Evolution rail. If I recall correctly the ELW upper was actually lighter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, for those of you interested in weight What does that scale say, 3.54 pounds? That's for the upper with 16" ELW mid-length barrel w/ 13" KMR Handguard? Is the bolt group installed in the upper? Because that seems really light! You can see the BCG inside the upper in the pic. The uppers really are stupid light, a 14.5 ELW fluted with a 13" KMR weighed within ounces of my 11.5 lighweight BCM barrel with a 10" Samson Evolution rail. If I recall correctly the ELW upper was actually lighter. Maybe I should go with a 11.5 instead of a 14.5 like i originally planned? |
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Imagine what sales will be like if when BCM brings out the BFH ELW series they continue the "free" BCG & Muzzle device (on 16" barrels) special?
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So do we know the official weights of just the barrels? Most interested in the weights of the 14.5's.
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Anyone know when / if these barrels will be sold individually?
I second the question above, what are the barrel weights? I'm specifically interested in the 11.5 ELW . . . . |
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Any updates on the BFH Enhanced Lightweight Barrels? I know "summer 2014" but since its fall 2014 now….
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Any updates on the BFH Enhanced Lightweight Barrels? I know "summer 2014" but since its fall 2014 now…. View Quote I'm anxious but then again when the barrels come out I will have a couple of winter projects.....so thats good I need BFH ELW barrels in 14.5 16 and 18 with rifle gas |
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i was going to buy two kmr uppers last week until i read they use set screws for the gas blocks. do they offer pins as an extra option? set screws are lame.
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i was going to buy two kmr uppers last week until i read they use set screws for the gas blocks. do they offer pins as an extra option? set screws are lame. You should try taking a BCM "set screw" gas block off a BCM barrel sometime.... Yes, give it a try and get back with us. I'm not starting shit. I know BCM is good people. But with all of their success they can't afford a drill press? Come on now.... it wouldn't take any longer to put the uppers together and they can charge extra for it if they want. |
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BCM does drill two holes for their fixed front sight base barrels on their uppers.
Personally I would not mind if they offered a low pro gas block with a single pin....some feel that drilling a hole in a barrel has a negative effect on its inherent accuracy.....I dunno. I would say that BCM's attachment using set screws is equal if not superior to pinning in terms of strength. |
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the only problem there is who else makes an ELW-F thats like BCM?
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Not a test of accuracy, but here is what I did with Magpul PRO BUIS/5.56 M193 ball at 100 yards sitting with elbows on knees and my 14.5" standard ELW barrel. The low shots were because I suck, and only go to this range 2-3 times a year but I feel confident I could harvest a deer when the SHTF if I had too.
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V7 Weapons Systems has put their titanium KMR barrel nuts up on their site
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So is anyone getting repeatable sub moa (@ 100) accuracy out of these barrels?
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So is anyone getting repeatable sub moa (@ 100) accuracy out of these barrels? View Quote These are chrome moly chrome lined cut rifled barrels with standard ammo 3moa would be decent 2moa would be fantastic. I would expect with hand loaded ammo and top of the line bullets you might get 1-2 moa These are combat grade barrels some of the finest made but they are not match grade paper punchers But you already knew that didnt you |
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