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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:17:34 PM EDT
When did these come out? Where do people get these from?
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Likely SAND mags that are "Dyed"..
Unless its something that comes packaged this way... |
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Quoted: When did these come out? Where do people get these from? View Quote RIT Dye is your friend |
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I am asking because I bought one off the EE here, and was wondering if it is legit.
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We have not manufactured (or sold) Orange Gen M3 mags.
There was a small run of orange Gen 1 PMAGs through a distributor a very, very long time ago (2007-2008, way before my time...). For a $5 bottle of RIT and $15 per Sand Gen M3 mag you can make all of them you want, and they'll be very strong. |
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Quoted: We have not manufactured (or sold) Orange Gen M3 mags. There was a small run of orange Gen 1 PMAGs through a distributor a very, very long time ago (2007-2008, way before my time...). For a $5 bottle of RIT and $15 per Sand Gen M3 mag you can make all of them you want, and they'll be very strong. View Quote The sand PMag makes it pretty easy to make them any color you want I did a couple in Yellow and tried to get as close to Stealth Gray as possible |
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Oh man, is what what the paint dot matrix is for? I was wondering if you played tic tac toe or what down there. It was touted as a plus for my AK mags - had no idea what to do with it.
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Oh man, is what what the paint dot matrix is for? I was wondering if you played tic tac toe or what down there. It was touted as a plus for my AK mags - had no idea what to do with it. View Quote I knew it was to mark them but wasnt sure exactly how... Guess its just a bunch of squares to be able to write on that will not rub off or look tacky. Originally thought it was to put a color for what types of rounds you have stored in them, them realized it was WAY over 30 dots. |
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RIT Pearl Grey, I used about a 1/4 of the bottle. I used a 22 qt stainless stock pot filled about a 1/3rd of the way bring the water up to 175 degrees let parts soak for about 15 minutes to start then check for darkness, at 15 minutes they were still a little light. mine ended up being about 20-25 minutes in the dye I dyed the parts one mag at a time They look good in sunlight and in LED room lights |
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Did you keep the dye at 175 degrees the whole time or reheat for each dip?
Thanks! |
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Thanks for the info! I have the sang mags and rit dye on order.
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Gen 3 orange Pmags in the EE
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_24/1465219_WTS_Orange_PMAG.html |
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View Quote They're limited edition and at one point sold for $100+? |
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They're limited edition and at one point sold for $100+? The original orange and blue ones did. |
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I am assuming those are dyed Sand magazines.
M3 mags have only been produced in black and sand. |
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Yikes. I feel sorry for the poor souls in the EE that bought the Orange ones
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Honestly, it was misleading and slightly over-priced, but he didn't say that they actually were the limited release ones that sold for $100; he said that they were a Gen 3 version of that. It implies that they might be factory-made, but it could also be taken as, "remember those really cool orange ones that Magpul made, that everyone liked and they sold for $100+? Well, I've got a Gen 3 equivalent here." It's also not like he priced that at $100+. So, you're pay $15-20 for someone to dye each one. A little steep for labor, sure, but not all out robbery. I suppose how bad I feel would depend a lot on (a) if anyone actually felt that they were buying a limited edition mag that would appreciate in value, and (b) the quality of the dye job. If you want orange mags, but like the Gen 3's, then you could buy those or make your own, since Magpul doesn't make them. So, if they were well done, then don't feel too bad.
ETA: to be clear, I would be more precise in such a listing, specifically mentioning that I did the dye job. I just don't think it was quite as egregious as some. It's also someone with 40k+ posts over the last six years, so it hardly seems like a scammer (unless there was an existing pattern.) |
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been
here that long should know better! |
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I think the listing was updated to show the edit history for that one thread at least, and the only thing I see that changed was the price? Not sure if there were older threads that were more misleading or not, but that one still has the same thing it had at its inception, I think, unless I'm looking at the edit history wrong.
Looks like it always said "Get you M3 version of the limited edition Orange Pmag that at one point sold for $100+". But if I paid for a "2015 version of the limited edition Shelby Cobra" and found out it was a new base-line Mustang the seller had painted and stuck some decals on, I would be upset. A "version" of something is still the thing. In this case it's not a "limited edition Orange Pmag that at one point sold for $100+" at all, in order to be the M3 version of it. |
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But if I paid for a "2015 version of the limited edition Shelby Cobra" and found out it was a new base-line Mustang the seller had painted and stuck some decals on, I would be upset. A "version" of something is still the thing. In this case it's not a "limited edition Orange Pmag that at one point sold for $100+" at all, in order to be the M3 version of it. View Quote Except, inside these mags are at least as good (G3 vs. G2); there was nothing special about the "limited edition" other than the color (unlike the Shelby, which has substantial performance upgrades.) It's more like if Ford had released a normal 5th-generation mustang in limited edition "Grabber Orange" (just picked an old Mustang orange color) in 2013, which people later sold at a premium, and then somebody purchased a normal white 6th-generation Mustang in 2015, which he somehow (there isn't an analogously cheap method for changing car colors) changed to basically the same orange color. Listing it as "Get your 6th-generation version of the 2013 Grabber Orange Limited Edition that at one point sold for $100,000" and then charging $40,000 for what is otherwise a base-model Mustang, while a little misleading and over-priced, wouldn't be quite the same as what you are talking about. |
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Ah, didn't realized that it had been changed. That changes my opinion. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been here that long should know better! Ah, didn't realized that it had been changed. That changes my opinion. ... My friend just emailed me about this thread.... I never said they were factory magazines, they were dyed to match the original limited edition, which is why I said you can get your Gen 3 version of the original limited edition mags. If I were trying to scam people I would have lied to the dozen people who IM'd me asking if they were dyed, if the ad were not locked I would have edited the OP to say they were dyed. I also would have listed them with THESE if I were really trying to deceive people. Also, wouldn't you think I would charge the full going rate if I were attempting to pass them off as factory??? Sorry for the confusion. Maybe its because I spend too much time reading the tech threads, but I thought it was common knowldege that Magpul has refused to make the new Gen 3 Pmags in any color that is not as strong as the original black color, hence the reason you do not see FDE, OD, Grey, Orange, or Blue anymore. From my perspective it was not misleading, but now that its been pointed out I can see why. Plus I see the OP has failed to mention how I agreed to give him his money back no questions asked, 9 Days ago when he asked about them being factory or dyed after I shipped them Again, I wasn't trying to mislead and I'm sorry for the stir and confusion. My friend and I dyed a bunch of mags 2-3 months ago when the Sand first came out. These, along with the special edition mags have been gathering dust since and I'm trying to get rid of unused stuff. Pretty nice calling out people and talking shit about them in the corners of the website without letting them explain |
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been here that long should know better! View Quote Again, thanks for lieing about what I posted to try to make me seem like an evil person. The edit history was posted. Prices, and a typo "you" instead of "your" was changed. |
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The only reason I didn't mention that you had agreed to refund my money, is because I didn't want to throw that out there because I don't know what arrangements you may have made with other people. So I will say this...you never did mislead me once I asked the right questions. You also agreed to refund my money once you receive the mag back( which should be today, still sealed in the original box). So, I do appreciate you making it right, and I apologize if this thread came off as bashing, as I never meant it to. I just wanted clarification.
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... My friend just emailed me about this thread.... I never said they were factory magazines, they were dyed to match the original limited edition, which is why I said you can get your Gen 3 version of the original limited edition mags. If I were trying to scam people I would have lied to the dozen people who IM'd me asking if they were dyed, if the ad were not locked I would have edited the OP to say they were dyed. I also would have listed them with THESE if I were really trying to deceive people. Also, wouldn't you think I would charge the full going rate if I were attempting to pass them off as factory??? Sorry for the confusion. Maybe its because I spend too much time reading the tech threads, but I thought it was common knowldege that Magpul has refused to make the new Gen 3 Pmags in any color that is not as strong as the original black color, hence the reason you do not see FDE, OD, Grey, Orange, or Blue anymore. From my perspective it was not misleading, but now that its been pointed out I can see why. Plus I see the OP has failed to mention how I agreed to give him his money back no questions asked, 9 Days ago when he asked about them being factory or dyed after I shipped them Again, I wasn't trying to mislead and I'm sorry for the stir and confusion. My friend and I dyed a bunch of mags 2-3 months ago when the Sand first came out. These, along with the special edition mags have been gathering dust since and I'm trying to get rid of unused stuff. Pretty nice calling out people and talking shit about them in the corners of the website without letting them explain View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been here that long should know better! Ah, didn't realized that it had been changed. That changes my opinion. ... My friend just emailed me about this thread.... I never said they were factory magazines, they were dyed to match the original limited edition, which is why I said you can get your Gen 3 version of the original limited edition mags. If I were trying to scam people I would have lied to the dozen people who IM'd me asking if they were dyed, if the ad were not locked I would have edited the OP to say they were dyed. I also would have listed them with THESE if I were really trying to deceive people. Also, wouldn't you think I would charge the full going rate if I were attempting to pass them off as factory??? Sorry for the confusion. Maybe its because I spend too much time reading the tech threads, but I thought it was common knowldege that Magpul has refused to make the new Gen 3 Pmags in any color that is not as strong as the original black color, hence the reason you do not see FDE, OD, Grey, Orange, or Blue anymore. From my perspective it was not misleading, but now that its been pointed out I can see why. Plus I see the OP has failed to mention how I agreed to give him his money back no questions asked, 9 Days ago when he asked about them being factory or dyed after I shipped them Again, I wasn't trying to mislead and I'm sorry for the stir and confusion. My friend and I dyed a bunch of mags 2-3 months ago when the Sand first came out. These, along with the special edition mags have been gathering dust since and I'm trying to get rid of unused stuff. Pretty nice calling out people and talking shit about them in the corners of the website without letting them explain |
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been here that long should know better! Ah, didn't realized that it had been changed. That changes my opinion. ... My friend just emailed me about this thread.... <snip> Pretty nice calling out people and talking shit about them in the corners of the website without letting them explain For the record, since you quoted my post, I defended you twice in this thread, once before the line you quoted and once after it. I only stated that I changed my opinion when it was pointed out that the current version - the only one that I had seen - was after you had edited it, suggesting that it was more misleading before (I did not realize that you could look at the edit history.) Perhaps, I should have said, "I can no longer form and opinion," since I didn't have (as far as I knew) the original to look at. |
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For the record, since you quoted my post, I defended you twice in this thread, once before the line you quoted and once after it. I only stated that I changed my opinion when it was pointed out that the current version - the only one that I had seen - was after you had edited it, suggesting that it was more misleading before (I did not realize that you could look at the edit history.) Perhaps, I should have said, "I can no longer form and opinion," since I didn't have (as far as I knew) the original to look at. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been here that long should know better! Ah, didn't realized that it had been changed. That changes my opinion. ... My friend just emailed me about this thread.... <snip> Pretty nice calling out people and talking shit about them in the corners of the website without letting them explain For the record, since you quoted my post, I defended you twice in this thread, once before the line you quoted and once after it. I only stated that I changed my opinion when it was pointed out that the current version - the only one that I had seen - was after you had edited it, suggesting that it was more misleading before (I did not realize that you could look at the edit history.) Perhaps, I should have said, "I can no longer form and opinion," since I didn't have (as far as I knew) the original to look at. I realize I quoted you, sorry I was just replying to the thread. Nothing directed at you... but again the edit history was quoted and I only changed the prices and a spelling mistake. I'd like to know why uniquesnd was trying to make it look like I'm trying to scam people... This thread became a witch hunt. |
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Oh neat! There's no smiley or Crusader cross there, though. We need more dots in each matrix.
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I realize I quoted you, sorry I was just replying to the thread. Nothing directed at you... but again the edit history was quoted and I only changed the prices and a spelling mistake. I'd like to know why uniquesnd was trying to make it look like I'm trying to scam people... This thread became a witch hunt. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Before the listing was edited it was way more misleading pretty much saying they were factory Gen 3 orange Pmags. Also someone who has been here that long should know better! Ah, didn't realized that it had been changed. That changes my opinion. ... My friend just emailed me about this thread.... <snip> Pretty nice calling out people and talking shit about them in the corners of the website without letting them explain For the record, since you quoted my post, I defended you twice in this thread, once before the line you quoted and once after it. I only stated that I changed my opinion when it was pointed out that the current version - the only one that I had seen - was after you had edited it, suggesting that it was more misleading before (I did not realize that you could look at the edit history.) Perhaps, I should have said, "I can no longer form and opinion," since I didn't have (as far as I knew) the original to look at. I realize I quoted you, sorry I was just replying to the thread. Nothing directed at you... but again the edit history was quoted and I only changed the prices and a spelling mistake. I'd like to know why uniquesnd was trying to make it look like I'm trying to scam people... This thread became a witch hunt. Honestly I would be super pissed if I bought these mags with the listing worded the way it is and I like others did not know you could look at the edit history. sorry I remembered it being more deceitful sounding than it is but even if it was not changed the current heading is very misleading. You were selling a 10$ mag for 60$ (I think this was the price before the edit) come on man you know you were taking advantage of people who were oblivious to the fact there are sand P-mags and you can dye up a bunch for 60$ or even 40$ with 2.75$ worth of RIT dye. Since this is ok to do guess I will just buy a bunch of 35$ airsoft Magpul M93b's and sell them in the EE. I can see the title now " Get your 2015 version of the limited edition Magpul M93b that at one point sold for $300+ "I would be baned from the site |
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Quoted: Honestly I would be super pissed if I bought these mags with the listing worded the way it is and I like others did not know you could look at the edit history. sorry I remembered it being more deceitful sounding than it is but even if it was not changed the current heading is very misleading. You were selling a 10$ mag for 60$ (I think this was the price before the edit) come on man you know you were taking advantage of people who were oblivious to the fact there are sand P-mags and you can dye up a bunch for 60$ or even 40$ with 2.75$ worth of RIT dye. Since this is ok to do guess I will just buy a bunch of 35$ airsoft Magpul M93b's and sell them in the EE. I can see the title now " Get your 2015 version of the limited edition Magpul M93b that at one point sold for $300+ "I would be baned from the site View Quote Also... Capitalism. |
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Don't you think if it was really a factory limited edition color, there would be a lot more chatter about it on here? It's not taking advantage of anyone who knows better. 10 minutes of research before purchase wouldn't hurt. Also... Capitalism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly I would be super pissed if I bought these mags with the listing worded the way it is and I like others did not know you could look at the edit history. sorry I remembered it being more deceitful sounding than it is but even if it was not changed the current heading is very misleading. You were selling a 10$ mag for 60$ (I think this was the price before the edit) come on man you know you were taking advantage of people who were oblivious to the fact there are sand P-mags and you can dye up a bunch for 60$ or even 40$ with 2.75$ worth of RIT dye. Since this is ok to do guess I will just buy a bunch of 35$ airsoft Magpul M93b's and sell them in the EE. I can see the title now " Get your 2015 version of the limited edition Magpul M93b that at one point sold for $300+ "I would be baned from the site Also... Capitalism. I knew better when I saw them but I have knee deep into guns for a very long time and sorry this is far from capitalism it's straight up fraud. |
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You are correct. The matrix is for paint pen marking that will not rub off through use. Here is the suggested alphabet... http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36785 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh man, is what what the paint dot matrix is for? I was wondering if you played tic tac toe or what down there. It was touted as a plus for my AK mags - had no idea what to do with it. I knew it was to mark them but wasnt sure exactly how... Guess its just a bunch of squares to be able to write on that will not rub off or look tacky. Originally thought it was to put a color for what types of rounds you have stored in them, them realized it was WAY over 30 dots. You are correct. The matrix is for paint pen marking that will not rub off through use. Here is the suggested alphabet... http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36785 I had never even noticed that on my mags till now. Science bitches! |
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Honestly I would be super pissed if I bought these mags with the listing worded the way it is and I like others did not know you could look at the edit history. sorry I remembered it being more deceitful sounding than it is but even if it was not changed the current heading is very misleading. You were selling a 10$ mag for 60$ (I think this was the price before the edit) come on man you know you were taking advantage of people who were oblivious to the fact there are sand P-mags and you can dye up a bunch for 60$ or even 40$ with 2.75$ worth of RIT dye. Since this is ok to do guess I will just buy a bunch of 35$ airsoft Magpul M93b's and sell them in the EE. I can see the title now " Get your 2015 version of the limited edition Magpul M93b that at one point sold for $300+ "I would be baned from the site View Quote Two things on this: 1) Your analogy doesn't hold water, since the airsoft version would not be functionally equivalent. Regardless of who made them orange, these are legitimate PMag G3 magazines inside. 2) In terms of the value, it could also depend on the exact color, too. If he took the time and effort to make sure that the color matched the orange ones actually produced by PMag, including finding the right mix of dyes, then that would be worth more than if, say, he just used orange RIT, straight up, even if it weren't quite the right orange. Don't know whether he did or not, but color-matching would be value-adding for any purchaser. Edit: from the other thread, he owns one of the original and dyed these to match. If that took some work to get right, then they would be worth more than just sand mag + dye to anyone who wants that orange color. |
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There's a dude on the m4c.net EE selling "factory orange" gen 3 mags.
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RIT Pearl Grey, I used about a 1/4 of the bottle. I used a 22 qt stainless stock pot filled about a 1/3rd of the way bring the water up to 175 degrees let parts soak for about 15 minutes to start then check for darkness, at 15 minutes they were still a little light. mine ended up being about 20-25 minutes in the dye I dyed the parts one mag at a time They look good in sunlight and in LED room lights View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nice grey mags. Mind sharing the rit formula? This what I came to post. RIT Pearl Grey, I used about a 1/4 of the bottle. I used a 22 qt stainless stock pot filled about a 1/3rd of the way bring the water up to 175 degrees let parts soak for about 15 minutes to start then check for darkness, at 15 minutes they were still a little light. mine ended up being about 20-25 minutes in the dye I dyed the parts one mag at a time They look good in sunlight and in LED room lights Do you get the Rit Dye off amazon in the 8oz bottles or is there a place you get larger bottles from? I really wanna make some stupid color mags to use for competition. Primarily bright flaming pink, red, Yellow, and maybe turquoise. ha. That is if they have all those colors in rit dye |
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If they made sand AK mags and I could find a plum dye formula, I would totally try this mag dying thing.
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