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Posted: 3/7/2017 6:10:59 PM EDT
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I'm all for EMS open carry like the police.......America is no longer safe
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Posted: 3/7/2017 7:54:52 PM EDT
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I don't think you are going to see many career or private services authorizing employees to carry either concealed or open. I would forsee a lot of issues open carrying in other Healthcare facilities.
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Posted: 3/8/2017 1:59:21 AM EDT
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No thank you. Maybe a tazer, but who knows how many partners would get zapped
I don't even carry a knife (on me) while on the truck. Easiest way to have an armed patient is to carry the knife for them. Be nice to the officers on scene and they will more than likely show up for the next one. They carry all the guns I need. Vests are personally purchased, although they company may pay for part of it. Just started working for my current agency and it hasn't been talked about in orientation, but it wasn't part of the uniform day either. I also work as an EMT for a security department, and half the staff all want to go armed, and I think that is an even worse idea. Can't even get them to follow a simple uniform policy. No way I would trust 90% of them with any sort of weapon. Bad enough we give them OC and an asp. |
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Posted: 3/8/2017 2:25:58 AM EDT
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I think the money would be better spent by municipalities to hire more officers for shifts and instituting a policy where an officer responds to ems calls that fit a criteria. I under stand the cost would be greater to hire another officer(s) per shift but the liability is too high for ems/fire to carry firearms. Police are police and fire/ems is fire/ems...I wouldn't mix the two and foresee favorable results.
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Posted: 3/8/2017 7:03:38 AM EDT
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Don't believe it is legal in some states. On the other end of the spectrum I know there are public safety departments in California, Sunnyvale is one I think where all the firefighters are also cops and vice versa. Hope that helps.
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Posted: 3/8/2017 7:49:04 AM EDT
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In PA are not allowed to have any type of weapons on the ambulance. That includes any pepper spray , tasers, or batons. They will also bust your balls about knives but we call them seat belt cutters so then they are rescue tools.
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Posted: 3/8/2017 9:33:52 AM EDT
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IN our dept. a Fire Marshall any deputy of the county, and any state trooper can. We have a few career guys that still part time with another agency as deputies and they can't carry. So, outside of the FMs we have 1 volunteer that can carry because he is a trooper. We have vests for active shooters, nothing else.
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Posted: 3/9/2017 2:20:15 PM EDT
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Only the Fire Inspectors who are sworn LEO's are allowed to carry a firearm on duty regardless of CCW status for us.
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Posted: 3/10/2017 5:08:04 AM EDT
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Private here. No state law stating we can't carry. Company policy says we can't. Some do anyway. Concealed is concealed, just don't be surprised if you're fired should things go tits up.
Vests, if any, are personal, none issued. We've had ambulances shot at driving down the street, bullet holes into patient compartments. Police do well handling all the other contact situations. YMMV. |
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Posted: 3/10/2017 6:51:43 AM EDT
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As I understand it, in Kansas if you work for a County or City government, you can't be prohibited from carrying concealed while you're working. (Unless there are metal detectors and guards) The only requirement my county makes regarding firearms is that employees driving county vehicles (ie EMS) must have a gun safe that they provide in their vehicles so they can secure their firearms if they need to go into a marked building.
I'm not EMS, but I work for another county department. If they have departmental policies regarding this, I'm not aware of them. |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 10:56:44 AM EDT
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It's not officially allowed by any service in this region that I'm aware of. Some have looser rules than others about it, letting some medics carry concealed without having to worry about getting fired, but none that I'm aware of actually allow medics to carry a gun concealed. Open carry is out of the question AFAIK. The only medics I've ever known to carry guns on the job with department were those on SWAT, and we weren't even allowed to bring them into the station to secure them during our regular shifts.
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Posted: 3/11/2017 4:50:38 PM EDT
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At a past job we had mace, training provided by the county Sheriff.
Currently I have a pocketknife and clipboard. |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 6:54:45 PM EDT
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Kansas passed a law last year that allows for all public workers to carry concealed. As long as all of the applicable concealed carry laws are followed, your good. No police stations, court houses, etc. We follow the "don't ask, don't tell" policy on carrying. You are not covered by the County if you shoot. You're on your own.
Our vest policy right now is , if you want to wear one, fine. You have to buy it, and it must be under your duty shirt, in a white carrier. You just need a letter from the Dept, because the local Galls won't sell one if your not LE without the letter. We have some folks that carry all the time, and some that won't go near a weapon. The choice is yours. I won't lie, there have been several times that I would have liked to have been armed, but for the most part, we have good LE response to calls. Respectfully- DR. |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 10:32:26 PM EDT
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Wear a few different hats. I volley fire/EMS in my hometown and am a Leo. The fd says no weapons. Secure them in your vehicle. I told them i would be carrying when off duty from law enforcement.
So, officially the policy is no but I seem to be the exception. I'm told if there's an incident I will not receive representation from the FD. No body armor other than what I supply. |
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Posted: 3/11/2017 10:41:03 PM EDT
[#15]
The needs for self defense doesn't go away with a particular job.
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Posted: 3/11/2017 10:46:26 PM EDT
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A CCDWing EMS member recognized a murder suspect(convicted now) return to the scene of a crime here locally . He successfully stopped him.
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Posted: 3/12/2017 6:36:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
At a past job we had mace, training provided by the county Sheriff. Currently I have a pocketknife and clipboard. 
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Posted: 3/26/2017 2:01:35 PM EDT
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This thread shows there's as much confusion about CCW for EMS on gun boards as there is in the general public.
CCW =/= LEO. This had been reinforced by every entity that ever controlled or regulated CCW at the state, county or local level around the country. The problem is the bogeyman of "liability". Even though CCW is intended for immediate defense against a threat of death or great bodily harm*, many administrators feel that allowing personnel to CCW at their discretion is the same as issuing them sidearms and powers of arrest, and carries the same liability. A well-written policy that reinforces the existing laws of the state as well as the codified Use of Force justifications and clearly identifies that the employee has no LE powers should suffice... but that takes actually looking at the issue instead of asking the Mayor what he or she thinks. There is also the idea that because the CCW'er is in uniform, they have become an "agent of the state" because they are armed... again, a falsehood that is perpetuated most likely due to a perceived fear of liability. I'll admit that I don't have hours to spend perusing PACER or the various state resources to search for a case where the employer of a non-LE government employee was successfully sued for a 4A violation for use of a personally owned non issued firearm in defense of self or others. It may exist, but my gut instinct is that the situation they fear is the same fiction that allows HR wonks to *generic language that should address 99% of statutory language regardless of state |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 2:02:35 PM EDT
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The needs for self defense doesn't go away with a particular job. 
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:07:36 AM EDT
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West Virginia just passed a law regarding this.
West Virginia "The West Virginia House of Representatives passed a bill Monday that would authorize non-police first responders to carry guns while on duty. The Herald-Dispatch reported that House Bill 2916, sponsored by Rep. Lovejoy Hanshaw, was approved on a 96-2 vote and will now head to the West Virginia Senate for consideration. The legislation would allow first responders, namely EMTs and firefighters, to carry guns once they have completed firearms training equivalent to the training required for West Virginia State Police." |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 9:38:15 AM EDT
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Retention should be a something everyone considers when thinking about ccw during EMS work. Maybe we are different in Florida but there's a lot of wrangling patients and physical stuff in our work.
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Posted: 4/4/2017 4:29:54 PM EDT
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Retention should be a something everyone considers when thinking about ccw during EMS work. Maybe we are different in Florida but there's a lot of wrangling patients and physical stuff in our work.
Just joking
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Posted: 4/6/2017 10:08:36 AM EDT
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Retention should be a something everyone considers when thinking about ccw during EMS work. Maybe we are different in Florida but there's a lot of wrangling patients and physical stuff in our work. CCW was a no go....even for us SWAT Medics...despite the training. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 11:12:43 AM EDT
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I can't remember if Hillsborough county SERT medics had access to weapons or not. I want to say they did not. But not sure.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:12:41 PM EDT
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So my wife completed her paper, she got an A minus. We were both surprised.
With her permission I'll post the text. Thanks for the input everyone |
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Posted: 4/23/2017 8:57:34 PM EDT
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Does your municipality or agency allow for concealed carry? No
Or already have a firearm on the vehicle? No What's your agency policy on vests/armor? Can wear, but must be under uniform shirt Issues or personal purchase? Personal purchase |
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