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Posted: 4/2/2016 10:54:48 PM EDT
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No. Urban myth. Paper targets aren't a threat nor do they induce the physiological stressors that are usually present in an OIS.
I'm sure Jerry Miculek's accuracy would be slightly affected if all his targets were shooting back at him. Although that would be a pretty bad ass Liveleak video to watch. 
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Posted: 4/3/2016 6:52:21 AM EDT
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Total BS
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Posted: 4/3/2016 9:38:27 AM EDT
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Nope, I don't buy that old excuse
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Posted: 4/3/2016 10:09:12 AM EDT
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Total BS started by guys who cant shoot worth a damn.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 11:06:08 AM EDT
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No. Urban myth. Paper targets aren't a threat nor do they induce the physiological stressors that are usually present in an OIS. I'm sure Jerry Miculek's accuracy would be slightly affected if all his targets were shooting back at him. Although that would be a pretty bad ass Liveleak video to watch. Are you suggesting at the notion of parachuting Jerry Miculek into the worst crime infested neighborhoods of Brazil with a couple of .45's and wearing more gold than Mr. T for the sake of a Liveleak video? That is just like hunting over bait.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 11:42:19 AM EDT
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We only record a pass/fail.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:46:21 PM EDT
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We only record a pass/fail. This |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 4:47:06 PM EDT
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Heard that for twenty plus years.
I used to throw one like how homies pour a little out... Lol Now, I shoot the best I can. My best is affected by the current situation. We ever get attacked by an alien army of b28's... Don't fear- I got this! 
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Posted: 4/3/2016 6:57:51 PM EDT
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Are you suggesting at the notion of parachuting Jerry Miculek into the worst crime infested neighborhoods of Brazil with a couple of .45's and wearing more gold than Mr. T for the sake of a Liveleak video? That is just like hunting over bait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Urban myth. Paper targets aren't a threat nor do they induce the physiological stressors that are usually present in an OIS. I'm sure Jerry Miculek's accuracy would be slightly affected if all his targets were shooting back at him. Although that would be a pretty bad ass Liveleak video to watch. Are you suggesting at the notion of parachuting Jerry Miculek into the worst crime infested neighborhoods of Brazil with a couple of .45's and wearing more gold than Mr. T for the sake of a Liveleak video? That is just like hunting over bait. I'll contribute to that cause.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 10:49:29 PM EDT
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A lot of agencies are moving to a 100% qualification score standard. Shooting a perfect score will never cause a legal issue for you.
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:09:44 AM EDT
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I always shoot between 99-100%
But everyone is either pass or fail. |
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:24:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We only record a pass/fail. This I get annoyed with "you should spread your shots out more.." |
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Posted: 4/4/2016 3:11:32 PM EDT
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No. Take qualification seriously and shoot to the max of your ability. It is "qualification" not "training".
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Posted: 4/4/2016 3:14:29 PM EDT
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Lol no
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:03:57 PM EDT
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Would love to hear what y'all think. Would an opposing attorney attack me on the stand? nope its pure urban myth horse shit. Ours is a pass/fail (non-number score) but you fail if you throw one round, so u have to shoot "perfect" to pass. Never had anyone with any issues on the stand. J- |
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:07:51 PM EDT
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Same I get annoyed with "you should spread your shots out more.." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We only record a pass/fail. This I get annoyed with "you should spread your shots out more.." After about 15 or 20 rounds I'm just shooting through a fist size hole at center mass. We start at the 3 yard line and move out. At 25 yards, my 40 year old eyes see that big hole a lot better than the 10 ring. |
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:10:54 PM EDT
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No. Urban myth. Paper targets aren't a threat nor do they induce the physiological stressors that are usually present in an OIS. I'm sure Jerry Miculek's accuracy would be slightly affected if all his targets were shooting back at him. Although that would be a pretty bad ass Liveleak video to watch. How could anyone shoot at Jerry, he's such a lovable guy. |
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:11:46 PM EDT
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nope its pure urban myth horse shit. Ours is a pass/fail (non-number score) but you fail if you throw one round, so u have to shoot "perfect" to pass. Never had anyone with any issues on the stand. J- Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love to hear what y'all think. Would an opposing attorney attack me on the stand? nope its pure urban myth horse shit. Ours is a pass/fail (non-number score) but you fail if you throw one round, so u have to shoot "perfect" to pass. Never had anyone with any issues on the stand. J- What does your course of fire look like? Target size? |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 12:42:23 AM EDT
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What does your course of fire look like? Target size? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would love to hear what y'all think. Would an opposing attorney attack me on the stand? nope its pure urban myth horse shit. Ours is a pass/fail (non-number score) but you fail if you throw one round, so u have to shoot "perfect" to pass. Never had anyone with any issues on the stand. J- What does your course of fire look like? Target size? https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mcoles/Firearms_Standard_249947_7.pdf Its alittle different now, like we no longer shoot 12 rounds from 25yards, i think its 4 now. As long as you hit the mandated minimum in your dept qual, the dept qual can be tougher, as is ours. Our rifle qual is much harder than the state mandated minimum. here is the target that we use. The center mass ring is self explanitory and the combat ring is the one that goes up into the head and down to the pelvis. You are aloud i think 2 rounds outside of center mass but still in the combat ring and NONE outside of the combat ring. more than two out of the center mass is considered a fail. http://www.letargets.com/content/tcq-95-a-mcoles-mi-approved-qualification-target-version-a.asp Like I said our dept qaul is harder than the mandatory minimum (more rounds etc) that the state requires. J- |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 5:35:26 AM EDT
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Would love to hear what y'all think. Would an opposing attorney attack me on the stand? nope its pure urban myth horse shit. Ours is a pass/fail (non-number score) but you fail if you throw one round, so u have to shoot "perfect" to pass. Never had anyone with any issues on the stand. J- What does your course of fire look like? Target size? Standard state qualification targets. If post if I wasn't on a smartphone. |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 5:43:45 AM EDT
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We only record a pass/fail. |
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Posted: 4/6/2016 12:22:48 AM EDT
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Total BS started by guys who cant shoot worth a damn. Lol, yeah this. Its apparently nationwide too. |
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Posted: 4/7/2016 10:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After about 15 or 20 rounds I'm just shooting through a fist size hole at center mass. We start at the 3 yard line and move out. At 25 yards, my 40 year old eyes see that big hole a lot better than the 10 ring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We only record a pass/fail. This I get annoyed with "you should spread your shots out more.." After about 15 or 20 rounds I'm just shooting through a fist size hole at center mass. We start at the 3 yard line and move out. At 25 yards, my 40 year old eyes see that big hole a lot better than the 10 ring. Last quals were with my glock 41 with an RMR so it was a little easier for me. I had two big holes to choose from. |
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Posted: 4/9/2016 3:57:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2016 4:40:13 AM EDT
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Didn't catch what thread this was in. Not a cop, but have heard this about cops for years. Nobody has ever managed to cite a court case where this was an issue. In this day and age of Internet and readily available info on such things, it makes me more than skeptical.
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Posted: 4/16/2016 11:56:13 PM EDT
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I almost always shoot a perfect, unless I'm frigging around.
During a simunitions exercise - I missed the shooter a ton of times. Range does not take into account being shot at - or the adrenaline dump associated with a stressful situation. Just remember - in court you're judged by the standard of a "reasonable officer" - not of a 20/20 vision Monday morning quarterback. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 2:46:59 PM EDT
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I used to work where qualification required 100%, but that was simply 100% of the 25 rounds anywhere on a target the size of an IPSC target from 10 yards away. It pissed off the Captain when we called it the Ray Charles qualification course.
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