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Posted: 6/23/2014 1:34:40 PM EDT
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Well, I'm no lawyer but..... Unless it is copyrighted, anything you find on the internet is fair game.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 1:50:37 PM EDT
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Well, I'm no lawyer but..... Unless it is copyrighted, anything you find on the internet is fair game. You should have stopped at the "but". No. |
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Posted: 6/23/2014 1:54:58 PM EDT
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website.
For the sake of argument, lets say that the Terms of Service don't give the Blue Press permission to use your article. You can't copyright "facts". You can only copyright the actual expression you used. |
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Posted: 6/23/2014 3:00:38 PM EDT
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Yup, this is precisely why I am not a lawyer! And why I preceded my "but" with the disclaimer.
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Posted: 6/23/2014 5:33:23 PM EDT
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The 9mm v. 22lr comparison you did is hardly difficult to make, complex, or novel. There's nothing special about it so what's your problem?
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Posted: 6/23/2014 5:42:52 PM EDT
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website. Yeah it is a lot more complicated than that. |
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Posted: 6/23/2014 5:51:26 PM EDT
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website. Yeah it is a lot more complicated than that. What makes it more complicated? |
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Posted: 6/23/2014 7:13:20 PM EDT
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website. Yeah it is a lot more complicated than that. What makes it more complicated? $$$ |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 7:12:02 AM EDT
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website. Yeah it is a lot more complicated than that. Well, the terms of service of this site are a mess, but that is the start of the analysis. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 7:17:49 AM EDT
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website. Yeah it is a lot more complicated than that. Well, the terms of service of this site are a mess, but that is the start of the analysis. Does not look like this site claims copyright, but when that guy published his book on this site (Lights Out), it could have gotten ugly when he went to re-publish it. Even uglier if he got a movie deal. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 7:30:13 AM EDT
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Does not look like this site claims copyright, but when that guy published his book on this site (Lights Out), it could have gotten ugly when he went to re-publish it. Even uglier if he got a movie deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your postings start off as your property but when you submit them here, they are then governed by the Terms of Service of the website. Yeah it is a lot more complicated than that. Well, the terms of service of this site are a mess, but that is the start of the analysis. Does not look like this site claims copyright, but when that guy published his book on this site (Lights Out), it could have gotten ugly when he went to re-publish it. Even uglier if he got a movie deal. In real basic terms, anything you write is copyrighted from the moment of creation. As was pointed out the TOS might be an issue, but more of an issue is "What are you going to do about it?" A copyright suit might be possible, but no lawyer would take anything so penny-ante (no offense.) Since money probably isn't likely happening you may want to contact Dillon and let them know about the situation. If they sourced it from a freelancer, they may not know it's infringing. You might be able to convince them to change the attribution if it's on their website, and add a "Correction" notice in their next print issue. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:15:30 AM EDT
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The 9mm v. 22lr comparison you did is hardly difficult to make, complex, or novel. There's nothing special about it so what's your problem? 1) I was simply asking for information. 2) I doubt you came up with the idea or information you deem so trivial... So what seems to be your problem?
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:31:27 PM EDT
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1) I was simply asking for information. 2) I doubt you came up with the idea or information you deem so trivial... So what seems to be your problem? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 9mm v. 22lr comparison you did is hardly difficult to make, complex, or novel. There's nothing special about it so what's your problem? 1) I was simply asking for information. 2) I doubt you came up with the idea or information you deem so trivial... So what seems to be your problem? Well, he was a bit brusque. But the factual portions of your post are not copyrightable. Only the expression as I mentioned earlier. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 8:23:47 AM EDT
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Well, he was a bit brusque. But the factual portions of your post are not copyrightable. Only the expression as I mentioned earlier. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 9mm v. 22lr comparison you did is hardly difficult to make, complex, or novel. There's nothing special about it so what's your problem? 1) I was simply asking for information. 2) I doubt you came up with the idea or information you deem so trivial... So what seems to be your problem? Well, he was a bit brusque. But the factual portions of your post are not copyrightable. Only the expression as I mentioned earlier. That is a very simplistic view. It's more appropriate to say that data is not subject to copyright, but ANY expression of that data can be subject to copyright. The best examples are phone books. The data points inside - Jane Doe's phone number is 202-555-2222, or John's address is 12345 Lane Road - are are not subject to copyright. The phone company cannot sue if I write in a blog post "Jane's Phone number is 202-555-2222." But they CAN sue - and have - if I copy a page from the phone book and post it. Or if I create my own directory by directly copying theirs. So in the original case, the data that 9mm goes so fast and penetrates so far isn't copyrightable. But if it is presented the same way it's infringement. EVEN if the way it's presented is relatively mundane, as long as the original presentation was the OP's original work. ETA: Oh, and "difficult, complex, or novel" has NOTHING to do with copyright. You are confusing it with patents. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:32:37 PM EDT
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Yes, it is a bit simplistic. But that's because explaining in detail the holding of Feist vs. Rural Telephone here will put most to sleep.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/499_US_340.htm And not necessarily any expression would be protected, but to explain would get into my favorite doctrine - merger. I think my summation was accurate enough. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I'm no lawyer but..... Unless it is copyrighted, anything you find on the internet is fair game. Everything after the word "but" in this post is incorrect.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a very simplistic view. It's more appropriate to say that data is not subject to copyright, but ANY expression of that data can be subject to copyright. The best examples are phone books. The data points inside - Jane Doe's phone number is 202-555-2222, or John's address is 12345 Lane Road - are are not subject to copyright. The phone company cannot sue if I write in a blog post "Jane's Phone number is 202-555-2222." But they CAN sue - and have - if I copy a page from the phone book and post it. Or if I create my own directory by directly copying theirs. So in the original case, the data that 9mm goes so fast and penetrates so far isn't copyrightable. But if it is presented the same way it's infringement. EVEN if the way it's presented is relatively mundane, as long as the original presentation was the OP's original work. ETA: Oh, and "difficult, complex, or novel" has NOTHING to do with copyright. You are confusing it with patents. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 9mm v. 22lr comparison you did is hardly difficult to make, complex, or novel. There's nothing special about it so what's your problem? 1) I was simply asking for information. 2) I doubt you came up with the idea or information you deem so trivial... So what seems to be your problem? Well, he was a bit brusque. But the factual portions of your post are not copyrightable. Only the expression as I mentioned earlier. That is a very simplistic view. It's more appropriate to say that data is not subject to copyright, but ANY expression of that data can be subject to copyright. The best examples are phone books. The data points inside - Jane Doe's phone number is 202-555-2222, or John's address is 12345 Lane Road - are are not subject to copyright. The phone company cannot sue if I write in a blog post "Jane's Phone number is 202-555-2222." But they CAN sue - and have - if I copy a page from the phone book and post it. Or if I create my own directory by directly copying theirs. So in the original case, the data that 9mm goes so fast and penetrates so far isn't copyrightable. But if it is presented the same way it's infringement. EVEN if the way it's presented is relatively mundane, as long as the original presentation was the OP's original work. ETA: Oh, and "difficult, complex, or novel" has NOTHING to do with copyright. You are confusing it with patents. Correct, although I'd say that recipes are a better example. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 7:31:51 PM EDT
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... ETA: Oh, and "difficult, complex, or novel" has NOTHING to do with copyright. You are confusing it with patents. I wasn't really making a legal argument, I was just saying he is wasting his time. However, something that is extremely simple is harder to have a copyright in. You see this come up a lot in logos. But really, how many different ways are there to make a .22lr v reloaded 9mm price comparison?
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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:50:44 AM EDT
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OK, let me put it another way. I feel it was a copy infringement of my "expression."
Truthfully, how many times have you had that "original" thought concerning 9mm vs. 22lr? I'm not looking to collect anything here. I don't believe in suing people even though I could have for very major events in my life. I'm just examining the issue. |
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