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Posted: 1/21/2010 6:49:08 AM
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I just changed over to a single point sling and was wondering about the proper way to "wear" it. I have previously only used leather shooting slings and the two point ones that allow patrol carry. Putting it on over my head and under my right shoulder like a guitar strap looks like the right way, but it's a little aggravating around the neck area. Maybe it just takes getting used to, and I need to adjust it. Any advice on that would be helpful as well. Any links to pics would be great. It's a Blackhawk if that helps. Thanks.
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I go the other way around, on top of the right shoulder and under the left arm.
I shoot right handed as well.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 7:19:36 AM
Put your shooting arm through it and then over your head
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Posted: 1/21/2010 8:23:18 AM
That's what I do. I guess it just takes getting used to. How should I adjust it as far as length , and what is the proper and safest way to carry it ? It's on a 16" barreled M4 type 6.8, and attached to a Magpul end plate. I have seen some people with the weapon on the strong side at their side, and I've seen some people let it hang centered in front of them.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 8:27:10 AM
ive only used the single points that attach to your LBV or armor, but im gonna keep an eye out on this thread.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 8:29:12 AM
while single point s have their uses (for swat team members on entry) the whole single point craze is hopefully dying out among the wanna-be's.

you question was answered above.

have it fall on your non-side arm side or support leg.

falling between your legs or hitting a knee cap is a real game stopper, and forget about running with it hanging or even moving around a lot (which helps you "not get shot")

but for range cool guy factor they do get you laid. (or not)
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Originally Posted By 1LTfptg:
while single point s have their uses (for swat team members on entry) the whole single point craze is hopefully dying out among the wanna-be's.

you question was answered above.

have it fall on your non-side arm side or support leg.

falling between your legs or hitting a knee cap is a real game stopper, and forget about running with it hanging or even moving around a lot (which helps you "not get shot")

but for range cool guy factor they do get you laid. (or not)

I prefer a single point while riding four wheelers on the ranch, which allows me to quickly mount the rifle to shoot coyotes, porcupines, and other vermin.

Admittedly, I was not a door kicker in the Army during my enlistment, but I have been seeking an alternate mounting system for my said use, seeking your approval.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 8:46:41 AM
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Slings are personal preference if not mission dependent.

I tried single-point but it never really worked for me. Too much weapon flopping around going on and I didn't like how low it hung because the full length of the gun was at the end of the sling.

So I switched to an adjustable two-point - the Vickers sling from Blue Force Gear.

This setup works absolutely because of the adjustment tab - the green web part on the pic below. Pulling or pushing on the tab tightens or loosens the length of the sling.

I'm a rightie shooter and put the sling over my head and under my left arm so the butt of the weapon is towards my right shoulder. There are times the gun hangs almost vertical but it's vertical in front of me and I can sweep it to my left side quickly to get it out of the way.


And here's an action shot how it lies in front with this sling:

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Posted: 1/21/2010 10:32:58 AM
I thought I'd try the single point. I bought one of the Blackhawk models yesterday. I have had the Blackhawk swift 3 point sling on one rifle, and my son still has it on his AR, and I love the way it carries, but what I don't like is that the sling seems to get in the way of the bolt release, and sometimes the safety selector. I have primarily used Turner leather shooting slings in the past as most of what I shot were battle rifles, mostly the M1a/M14 and I replaced the 3 point with one on my LR308, but I wanted to try something a little different. I was just wondering if anyone had any idea of proper technique when using one.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 10:36:46 AM
Glad to see some love for the VCAS. I have one en-route right now.

I got the AA version - from what I could tell, the buckles were pretty much as strong as the metal. Of course, the main reason was the price difference. As a poor student, I'll even be attaching the thing to my front sight post until I can find a reasonably priced front sight swivel.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 12:24:43 PM

Originally Posted By 1LTfptg:
while single point s have their uses (for swat team members on entry) the whole single point craze is hopefully dying out among the wanna-be's.

you question was answered above.

have it fall on your non-side arm side or support leg.

falling between your legs or hitting a knee cap or hitting you in the balls is a real game stopper, and forget about running with it hanging or even moving around a lot (which helps you "not get shot")

but for range cool guy factor they do get you laid. (or not)


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Posted: 1/21/2010 12:31:34 PM
Originally Posted By Bogie:
Put your shooting arm through it and then over your head


I do the opposite, like this guy:

Originally Posted By optimus:
I go the other way around, on top of the right shoulder and under the left arm.
I shoot right handed as well.


but my sling has a taper on it for where it comes over the shoulder.

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Posted: 1/21/2010 2:59:58 PM
Which way is most common? Is the sling on the shoulder of the off hand and under the arm on the dominant side, or is it opposite of that.
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sling around left arm (or non dominant) is what I have seen most people do.
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Posted: 1/21/2010 3:09:31 PM
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
I just changed over to a single point sling and was wondering about the proper way to "wear" it.


There's your problem. You read about a piece of gear, and 'switched' to it before you understood it.

Personally, I think the best place for a single-point sling is on a loaner weapon, so the guy who wants to borrow a rifle can get beat up by its bouncing and thereby learn to procure his own gear next time.

I prefer a setup similar to this one:







Originally Posted By HBAR16:
Slings are personal preference if not mission dependent.

I tried single-point but it never really worked for me. Too much weapon flopping around going on and I didn't like how low it hung because the full length of the gun was at the end of the sling.

So I switched to an adjustable two-point - the Vickers sling from Blue Force Gear.

This setup works absolutely because of the adjustment tab - the green web part on the pic below. Pulling or pushing on the tab tightens or loosens the length of the sling.

I'm a rightie shooter and put the sling over my head and under my left arm so the butt of the weapon is towards my right shoulder. There are times the gun hangs almost vertical but it's vertical in front of me and I can sweep it to my left side quickly to get it out of the way.


And here's an action shot how it lies in front with this sling:



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Posted: 1/21/2010 3:28:32 PM

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
I just changed over to a single point sling and was wondering about the proper way to "wear" it.


There's your problem. You read about a piece of gear, and 'switched' to it before you understood it.

Personally, I think the best place for a single-point sling is on a loaner weapon, so the guy who wants to borrow a rifle can get beat up by its bouncing and thereby learn to procure his own gear next time.

I prefer a setup similar to this one:







Originally Posted By HBAR16:
Slings are personal preference if not mission dependent.

I tried single-point but it never really worked for me. Too much weapon flopping around going on and I didn't like how low it hung because the full length of the gun was at the end of the sling.

So I switched to an adjustable two-point - the Vickers sling from Blue Force Gear.

This setup works absolutely because of the adjustment tab - the green web part on the pic below. Pulling or pushing on the tab tightens or loosens the length of the sling.

I'm a rightie shooter and put the sling over my head and under my left arm so the butt of the weapon is towards my right shoulder. There are times the gun hangs almost vertical but it's vertical in front of me and I can sweep it to my left side quickly to get it out of the way.


And here's an action shot how it lies in front with this sling:



Single point works fine if you are mainly going to be shooting, not going for a hike-ie you need to be able to let the carbine go to open a door, grab a pistol etc but aren't going to be hiking cross country with it and it is mainly going to be in your hands. I have a single point on my carbine since if I use it I am only slinging up because something is going on in my house and I feel I have time to get the sling on.

A single point allows you to shoot bilateraly, an adjustable two point does that poorly, either you are basically choking yourself or slipping your arm out and using it as a single point.

I would not want to take a single point hunting or on some long hike. Magpul (I think) has a sling that works both as a single point or two point, however I have not used that sling myself.

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Single point works fine if you are mainly going to be shooting, not going for a hike-ie you need to be able to let the carbine go to open a door, grab a pistol etc but aren't going to be hiking cross country with it and it is mainly going to be in your hands. I have a single point on my carbine since if I use it I am only slinging up because something is going on in my house and I feel I have time to get the sling on.

A single point allows you to shoot bilateraly, an adjustable two point does that poorly, either you are basically choking yourself or slipping your arm out and using it as a single point.

I would not want to take a single point hunting or on some long hike. Magpul (I think) has a sling that works both as a single point or two point, however I have not used that sling myself.




I do see your point; I can see how one could be useful in self-defense scenarios.

However, my go-to guns have two-points; the sling will be ignored until AFTER whatever situation I'm addressing is resolved, anyway.

I just really think that for most use, even with the limitations of 2-point slings, the single-point is a design that looked better on paper than in reality.

YMMV, of course.


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Posted: 1/21/2010 3:49:02 PM
I dont much care for the single point slings although its whats on my gun. never been annoyed to the point of changing. As above, I dont like how low the gun ends up being and I dont like the rifle flopping all over.

But, it does work.
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I dig single points. I've run 2-points as well but the single works well enough for me. With carbine slings, you want to run it over your head and under your non-dominant arm so that when you transition to your sidearm, the carbine drops to the side AWAY from your sidearm and ensures a smooth drawstroke (like others above have described). Personally I dig the OSOE single-point bungie-sling as the bungie allows a lot of flexibility when switching shoulders, for muzzle strikes, etc.

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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Single point works fine if you are mainly going to be shooting, not going for a hike-ie you need to be able to let the carbine go to open a door, grab a pistol etc but aren't going to be hiking cross country with it and it is mainly going to be in your hands. I have a single point on my carbine since if I use it I am only slinging up because something is going on in my house and I feel I have time to get the sling on.

A single point allows you to shoot bilateraly, an adjustable two point does that poorly, either you are basically choking yourself or slipping your arm out and using it as a single point.

I would not want to take a single point hunting or on some long hike. Magpul (I think) has a sling that works both as a single point or two point, however I have not used that sling myself.




I do see your point; I can see how one could be useful in self-defense scenarios.

However, my go-to guns have two-points; the sling will be ignored until AFTER whatever situation I'm addressing is resolved, anyway.

I just really think that for most use, even with the limitations of 2-point slings, the single-point is a design that looked better on paper than in reality.

YMMV, of course.


Well it's kind of a Betty v. Veronica argument. I can think of a lot of situations where I'd rather have a two point. I have one of those adjustable two points on one of my carbines, but I haven't really warmed up to it.

I wouldn't want to have to run a long distance, climb a tree, vault over a fence etc with a single point.

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Originally Posted By xmikex:
I dig single points. I've run 2-points as well but the single works well enough for me. With carbine slings, you want to run it over your head and under your non-dominant arm so that when you transition to your sidearm, the carbine drops to the side AWAY from your sidearm and ensures a smooth drawstroke (like others above have described). Personally I dig the OSOE single-point bungie-sling as the bungie allows a lot of flexibility when switching shoulders, for muzzle strikes, etc.

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http://img.youtube.com/vi/gesXIMa0vFU/0.jpg 2 point
http://www.spectergear.com/cqb_sling_pos_right.jpg 3 point


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http://www.specialforceskit.co.uk/store/images/single%20point%20sling%20web.jpgone point moran




I only see one pic of a single point there, and it is probably the most retarded pic you could find
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
I just changed over to a single point sling and was wondering about the proper way to "wear" it.


There's your problem. You read about a piece of gear, and 'switched' to it before you understood it.

Personally, I think the best place for a single-point sling is on a loaner weapon, so the guy who wants to borrow a rifle can get beat up by its bouncing and thereby learn to procure his own gear next time.

I prefer a setup similar to this one:







Originally Posted By HBAR16:
Slings are personal preference if not mission dependent.

I tried single-point but it never really worked for me. Too much weapon flopping around going on and I didn't like how low it hung because the full length of the gun was at the end of the sling.

So I switched to an adjustable two-point - the Vickers sling from Blue Force Gear.

This setup works absolutely because of the adjustment tab - the green web part on the pic below. Pulling or pushing on the tab tightens or loosens the length of the sling.

I'm a rightie shooter and put the sling over my head and under my left arm so the butt of the weapon is towards my right shoulder. There are times the gun hangs almost vertical but it's vertical in front of me and I can sweep it to my left side quickly to get it out of the way.


And here's an action shot how it lies in front with this sling:



Single point works fine if you are mainly going to be shooting, not going for a hike-ie you need to be able to let the carbine go to open a door, grab a pistol etc but aren't going to be hiking cross country with it and it is mainly going to be in your hands. I have a single point on my carbine since if I use it I am only slinging up because something is going on in my house and I feel I have time to get the sling on.

A single point allows you to shoot bilateraly, an adjustable two point does that poorly, either you are basically choking yourself or slipping your arm out and using it as a single point.

I would not want to take a single point hunting or on some long hike. Magpul (I think) has a sling that works both as a single point or two point, however I have not used that sling myself.


I really enjoy the koolaid w/regards to the magpul sling and ASAP plate. The best parts of a single and twopoint sling.
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I am very interested in trying a Vicker's adjustable sling with a ASAP sling plate.
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Magpul ms2 sling, you can buy one sling and change it real quick from one to two point configuration, and with the attachment hook you can buy one and use it on several rifles
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Magpul ms2 sling, you can buy one sling and change it real quick from one to two point configuration, and with the attachment hook you can buy one and use it on several rifles

My friend has the MS2. I did not like the clip used to change it to 2-point.

The MS3 uses a different clip, I will be interested to see how that works out.
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I used a one point for my second deployment. It went over my non-shooting shoulder. The rifle, when I let go of it, came to rest between my side plate and firing arm. This was so from a rest, I could quickly grab my grip and bring the rifle up.

I did not worry about a side arm at the time as I did not have one. Now that Im a civiy an I do have a side arm, I keep the same sling set up. If I need to transition, My firing hand lets go of the rifle and grabs my pistol. At the same time, my non-firing hand brings the rifle to a rest in front of me both clearing my sidearm and not wacking me in the balls. As the pistol comes out of the holster, I let go of the rifle and bring it up to support.

There are many ways to use a one point sling. Experement and find out what works best for you.


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I only see one pic of a single point there, and it is probably the most retarded pic you could find



The arm you sling under is the same - single-dual or 3-point because the concept is the same - the carbine rests AWAY from the side you keep your sidearm on.

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Thanks for the great responses. I bought this to try it out. It is the bungee type and seems really well made, and has the mash hook. No Magpul koolaide here, the sling is Blackhawk, the end plate is Magpul. I'll try it on the opposite draw side and see if it helps, and I can always buy another sling if I don't like it. Like I said earlier, I've had the 3 point type, and there is a Blackhawk swift on my son's AR. I like the way it carries, but it seems to get in the way of the bolt release, and that's not that bad of a problem. I can use it as a standard sling, a single point type by releasing one of the buckles, or as a patrol type. I may go that route. I guess I'll have to buy my old one back from InfidelJoeBob, I don't think he's put it on his Bushy yet. He liked the single point but his was hooked to his molle gear like I've seen a lot of guys using. He said most guys in his unit went that route, but his first few deployments he just used the standard issue 2 point. He told me I might mot be comfortable with the single point, but I wanted to try it out.
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Put it over your strong side shoulder, with the strap going from your strong side shoulder, towards the bottom of your weak side ribcage or hip. That way the gun falls away from your pistol when you transition.