This Ezekiel guy is part of the White House's health care reform team and he said that doctors ought to look more into the "social justice" aspect of health cafe.  So if your 80 year old mother has an illness and she has had a good life, according to Ezekiel Emmanuel, doctors should not treat her.  Instead, the money ought to be spent toward younger people with many more years ahead of them.  He opined that health care should not be spent towards people who are not "active member of the society" - disabled people should not be the beneficiary of health care.  I am not making this up.  I heard it on Michael Savage show on my way home - he (Savage) was quoting Ezekiel's remarks.

Is this what we can look forward to once the government takes control of the health care system?  Isn't he (Ezekiel Emmanuel) basically espousing what Adolf Hitler did in the 30s?  How ironic can this be?

EDIT - Hippocratic Oath - not hypocritical oath.  LOL!

would love some citations.

I heard it on the radio - but I'll look around.

EDIT:

Found an article:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm?&page=1

By BETSY MCCAUGHEY
Emanuel: Believes in withholding care from elderly for greater good.

THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the de cisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They'd decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

The bills being rushed through Congress will be paid for largely by a $500 billion-plus cut in Medicare over 10 years. Knowing how unpopular the cuts will be, the president's budget director, Peter Orszag, urged Congress this week to delegate its own authority over Medicare to a new, presidentially-appointed bureaucracy that wouldn't be accountable to the public.

Since Medicare was founded in 1965, seniors' lives have been transformed by new medical treatments such as angioplasty, bypass surgery and hip and knee replacements. These innovations allow the elderly to lead active lives. But Emanuel criticizes Americans for being too "enamored with technology" and is determined to reduce access to it.

Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. He recommends slowing medical innovation to control health spending.

Blumenthal has long advocated government health-spending controls, though he concedes they're "associated with longer waits" and "reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices" (New England Journal of Medicine, March 8, 2001). But he calls it "debatable" whether the timely care Americans get is worth the cost. (Ask a cancer patient, and you'll get a different answer. Delay lowers your chances of survival.)

Obama appointed Blumenthal as national coordinator of health-information technology, a job that involves making sure doctors obey electronically deivered guidelines about what care the government deems appropriate and cost effective.

In the April 9 New England Journal of Medicine, Blumenthal predicted that many doctors would resist "embedded clinical decision support" –– a euphemism for computers telling doctors what to do.

Americans need to know what the president's health advisers have in mind for them. Emanuel sees even basic amenities as luxuries and says Americans expect too much: "Hospital rooms in the United States offer more privacy . . . physicians' offices are typically more conveniently located and have parking nearby and more attractive waiting rooms" (JAMA, June 18, 2008).

No one has leveled with the public about these dangerous views. Nor have most people heard about the arm-twisting, Chicago-style tactics being used to force support. In a Nov. 16, 2008, Health Care Watch column, Emanuel explained how business should be done: "Every favor to a constituency should be linked to support for the health-care reform agenda. If the automakers want a bailout, then they and their suppliers have to agree to support and lobby for the administration's health-reform effort."

Do we want a "reform" that empowers people like this to decide for us?

Betsy McCaughey is founder of the Committee to Reduce Infec tion Deaths and a former New York lieutenant governor.

What else would you expect from these people?

i'll be damned if I let them tell my parents they can't get healthcare.

If this fucking piece of shit Emmanuel isn't forced to step down from any and all positions he holds in our government I will have finally lost every last bit of faith in my country.

Prepare to evacuate faith then






 
 

Well. A very cost effective health care system would be one that only treated those who aren't sick.





It would be like tech support for sysadmins, they never call, as they usually know what they're doing.



 

Stuff like this, if it comes to pass, will push someone who just lost a family member over the edge.

ETA:

After reading that, I am almost physically ill. Those people are monsters who should be *COC Violation* right the F now.

yep.  been saying it for months.  shits going to start happening when you kill peoples families.

Nice...

Do a little reading on the rest of the Emanuel clan.

Folks would be well advised to understand the background of these individuals.

Eugenics is back; thought we learned this lesson.

I hear you, bro!  The ironic part is Ezekiel Emanuel is telling us that we should adopt the exact same policy that Adolf Hitler had in 1930s Nazi Germany.  Really sick, in my opinion.

That fucker is cum drunk!

oh yeah, i heard this last week also.

the msm will not report it.

SARCASM

I think sick Jews like the Emmanuels, who spread profligacy, should be sent to gas chambers labor camps.  

I'll fit right in with our new Nazi inspired overlords, no?  
/SARCASM

I was watching the video earlier today of the guy with the handicap son, yelling at John Dingell, and I was just thinking "this is one guy who is very vocal, but there are many many more who are just sitting back and holding it in."  People can't hold that in forever.  And reading something like this just makes me wonder, not if, but when, someone will snap.

Actually, the problem is they are doing too much.  They need to be sent to a place where they can concentrate on what they want to do...sort of a concentration camp?  That sounds much better.



 

Exactly.  What people need to realize is socialized health care is great if you have little ailments and only need pills once in a while.  But when serious illness comes and you require major surgeries, extensive treatments involving expensive medications, you are SOL!  Where are you going to go?  Canada?  Mexico?  Europe?  Asia?  Those people come HERE now for treatment.

One case in point:
One gentleman in UK, who had been paying medicare (whatever they call it over there) all of his life now needs a hip replacement.  Not only could he NOT get the operation done, he could not even get an "INTERVIEW" with one of his beureaucratic masters to determine whether or not he deserves the operation.  Now that gentleman is forced to spend his life saving of 85,000 Pound Note to pay for the surgery!

Another case:
One gentleman who needs a stent for his heart was FORCED to use the cheaper non-medicated stent instead of the more expensive medicated one.  Some beureaucrat somewhere decided that this gentleman's life is not worth the extra 600 Pound Note for the medicated stent.

Lovely, isn't it?

THE Emmanuel's are the two most dangerous people in DC,
both are elitists
both are eugenicists
both are on power trips and have huge egos and will walk any of you into the showers..
they are the Mangele and Goebles of the fourth Reich currently taking control of the country with Obama and his 42 (so far) Czars, soon to be followed by 50 State Czars, and the deletion of the Congress. suspension of the constitution under some made up  National Security emergency


when I heard Rahm was to be in the white house once more, hair on the back of my head stood up.....
folks, look at these people, look at his science czar look at his health and human services  czar..

there are people in the adminstration that think a child under 2 should still be aborted if needed as theyhavnt been socialized yet and are comparable to a dog or an ape.
people that think 13 yr olds should have abortions on demand.
people that think the population of the planet should be reduced to a few million people and controled from there to save the planet.
it goes on and on, we have FACISTS and Totalitarinists IN CHARGE and CHANGING AMERICA...

And the left keeps telling us that Republicans are Nazis and Fascists!  

We know who the real Nazis and Fascists are.

If only Comrade Obama knew about his Chief of Staff's brother's views!  He would shunt him out of nationalizing health care immediately!

I don't know how true it is, but I heard that during a victory party when Obama got elected, Rahm Emanuel stood and yelled out the names of people who was against Obama.  At the end of each name, he shouted, "Death!"

"Joe Lieberman - Death"
"Rush Limbaugh - Death"
Etc, etc, etc.

IF true, that is some scary stuff that we have such psycho in the White House.

Deny healthcare to "non-productive members of soceity?" Does that include people on welfare, don't pay taxes, and have no jobs?

PROJECTION:
Psychiatry: A defense mechanism, operating unconsciously, in that which is emotionally unacceptable in the self is unconsciously rejected and attributed–projected–to others



McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.



These folks are truly ill.

W
T
F

"Communitarianism"?  Wow, he barely bothered to disguise that.

CoC Violation is tempting

These scumbags need to go, I cant wait for 2010!  

We may not have that long....unfortunately.  

Someone is going to end up in camps within the next decade or two, we just need to make sure it's them and not us.

Those people will also suffer.  Now they THINK that the dems really care for them - they are sorely mistaken.  All the Dems want is power and complete control.  Once they (Dems) achieve that, those who tought that the Dems really cared for them will have a very rude awakening.

The Dems don't care about anybody else.  Have they lowered people's property taxes because of the severe economical down turn?  No?  And they claimed that they care about the "middle class working folks" - well, they sure have a funny way of doing it!