I really like the double RBC's.  I just wish I could do it every couple months.

At least you aren't travelling places that get you put on the exclusion list for 12 months at a time.  Up until recently I was traveling at least every year to places that would get me the ban hammer at the local blood bank.

The checkout form is asking to fax a prescription. Did I put the wrong HCG in my cart or is it a form of deterrent you are supposed to ignore?

Edit: clicked past it but you have to pay by e-check and give your bank account # and routing #??? I understand them not using CC but I'm assuming you've used them and they are GTG?
Sorry for all the questions...

Edit #2 Fuck it I Fo'd. Google told me e-checks are safe

As far back as I have BW on file, it's been high. I had really, really bad sleep apnea which is probably a lot like living at high elevation. I think. I've really never read anything that correlates the two, but it seems to me like it might affect hct...

Anyone ever think of picking up the phone and going thru the 'secure' CC process with an alive and competent individual???

I have it from reliable...

Sources...

It works!

And is fast and they walk you thru it.

Donating double red blood cells took my HCT from 53% to 42%.
And taking 440 mg of Test a month put me at 900 total T in the troph.
That's 2.5 days after injection.  Luckily my Dr was cool about it and didn't change my script just asked me to increase my interval. The lab range that test used went to 850. Which I think is bs.  I've come back at 900 before but the range went to 900 then so it was still the TOP of the scale.

Fortunately haven't had that issue yet.  But then I guess it's time to roll your own home brew phlebotomy.  Already told the gf to start getting used to the idea of jabbing me if it comes to that.

Dr called in two 10ml vials to Walgreens.  They used my goodrx bin code on file which they think is insurance.  When I went to pick it up and asked why it was just one in the bag the girl said it would only allow me to do one at a time because of insurance.  Which I suspect is bs.  She offered to sell me both for full price of $120 a vial.  Which I declined since one was only $44.  When I run out they will then supposedly fill the second vial from the Rx.  

"Donating double red blood cells took my HCT from 53% to 42%."


LOL- That's rather -dubious...

Still taking clomid (generic) and I can't say there has been some dramatic difference.  I might be noticing slight increases in energy, but that could very well all be in my head.  

The blood work will tell the story.  Doctor says when I go in on the 30th to draw blood I could very well have the results back the 31st and we will be able to tell if clomid is doing anything for me.

Curious, since there are a lot of people here with experience...  How much was having T well below 300 affecting my ability to gain muscle mass?  Lets say I start testing in the ~800 area will body fat be easier to lose and muscle easier to gain?  Will it change where I carry fat on my body?  Curious what you guys have experienced.

Is that 440mg per month or 440ml per month?  440mg per month (~0.5ml per week of 200mg/ml Test-C) is a pretty low dose for those T numbers.

Huge amount. I couldn't put on muscle without adding fat too. Now I can burn off the fat and keep my strength and if I start eating a bunch my strength jumps massively.

I went from 174 to almost 800 and started stacking the gainz nicely. My dead and squat are up 60lbs in 4 months and no idea how much muscle mass I have put on but although my weight is almost to the pound the same, my composition has changed dramatically.

Probably regret posting pics.

4 months difference.

Few weeks before T @225lbs (Shot up to 230 the week after injections started)

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This week. @230lbs

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[gymbro] Bro, you need to work on your lats. [/gymbro]

Farmers walk with the hex bar will destroy your shoulders.

TRAPS ARE THE NEW ABS

I saw my doc the other day and she had no qualms letting me try TRT.  I showed her my test results from 11/15 (484) and said, "That level was at 7am."

Even though my test was over a year old she said I was just above the bottom end of "normal" and it doesn't get better w/ age

Picked up two 200mg vials today with instructions to inject half a vial each week.  With GoodRX it was 16.55

Wife did the injection, first time for her and me.  Had some trouble drawing from the vial using a 22 needle.  Turns out we were pulling the plunger back way too fast.  Slowed down and just let it do its thing.

I left a small amount of air in the syringe to try and push all of the med but I failed.  Next time I will leave more air.  

I'm using a 1.5" needle, doc said to just stick it half way in, brother (paramedic) said to go all the way in to make sure it's deep into the muscle.  My brother is also on TRT and said 100mg/week isn't anything.

People have different results on different doses. I'm had to get to 233 mg a week to feel right.

And get a larger gage needle like a 25 or 26. Your muscles will thank you.

Could just do a 28 and then your muscles will really thank you.

Sooooo small.

I typically use a 27.

Well it's coming from the machine at the blood bank for the before reading and then the lab tests taken a day after.  If one or more is wrong idk who to blame.

It's 440 mg per month approximately.  Yes it is a Low dose for those numbers.  I was shocked.

During my personal experience I really didn't feel much different initially.  I think my follow up visit was about 2 months after I started.  I really didn't feel much different but as seen below my T was 758.  At 4 months my T was 1113 and I still didn't feel much different but was breaking down emotionally due to the high E.  Around the six month mark I noticed I was sleeping better, could think clearer, and my shoulders were no longer rounded but muscular.  I had changed nothing with my diet and was not going to the gym.  If you start working out and eating high protein then you will build muscle easier.

Back on the other page I mentioned something like that, your body gets used to it and it doesn't wake you up but still happens.

well i went to the local to me which is 50 miles away Men's clinic. I am 46 and 280 lbs and just feel like shit for the last two years. going to the gym to exercise did nothing for me. was tested yesterday and my level was 306 at 10 am, was tested today at 10 am was at 156, so needless to say i got my first testosterone injection today. Doc said i need to attend the clinic for 90 days with a blood test every 30 days then he would send me home with a script an let me shoot myself, does this all sound right and i was not told how much I received today in the injection. But a few hours have passed and my mood feels better an I do believe i am starting to feel better already.

At that dose, you were given just enough to shut your balls down and not enough to really do anything, so no wonder it's that low.

My doc keeps my total T at around 1100, which oddly might be too high.

How many times have you heard that in your lifetime?

Sounds like just right to me.

Never!  

He's good with it, I was good with it, but started having dick problems.  Have played with E from 17 to 42, nothing has helped but getting on daily Cialis 7mg.  He asked me recently to drop my T dosage a bit to see if that helps.

That sucks.

Got my second round of labs back.  The big shocker on that one was I have LOW hematocrit.  40.5%  labcorp shows normal range of 42-52.

I had given blood 2 weeks prior but figured it should have been back to normal by then.  

Anyone else ever see this on trt?  Everyone else usually seems to be talking about it being too high.

That is weird.  Also weird range. I thought range was 35-51

I posted in this thread awhile back about my problem.


Went to my regular dr, 2 rounds of bloodwork done. First one was low at 214, second one was normal at 600. 35 year old male that feels like shit all the time. Dr won't help me, the local anti aging clinic is out of my insurance network so it's crazy expensive. Not really sure on what to do now. Look for a new dr?

Given the out of network thing for the anti aging clinic (a lot of them won't take insurance period).  You best bet might be talking to local pharmacy that does compounding and ask them who they get a ton of scripts for test from.  Then you can compare with your in network providers.

You could try another doc or try another type of doc, like an endocrinologist or possibly a urologist. My observation has been most docs are largely clueless about how to determine if there is a problem or how to fix it if they do. Even if your 214 was at 10pm, that's still abnormal. You should check your levels against the median for your age: here

But, a single number doesn't say much. In your case, you seem to have wildly different numbers. How far apart were the labs done? Seems like the doc should have seen the 214 and done some other labs (TSH, LH, FSH, SHBG, Estradiol, Total and Free T, and maybe Vit D). What some docs (and some folks on their own) do is order some Clomiphene Citrate and try that for a while to see if that helps the T situation. For some, it gets rid of the lethargy, mental fog, and other symptoms of low T. If your body doesn't respond to it, then you likely have primary hypogonadism and will need to find the cause(s) (like a lesion on your pituitary, for example). If you do respond to it, then you'll have a script from the doc and likely your insurance will cover it. I had to try 2 docs before I found one that did the Clomid thing. Like every other drug on the planet, Clomid doesn't work the same for everybody and for some it does nothing or causes unpleasant side effects. Also, a lot of times folks that do Clomid don't get the "I'm a teenage stud again" thing that T shots can. But, either way you go, you have to try a dosage, get labs done, adjust dosage, wash, rinse repeat. Once you have it dialed in, then labs every 6months or so to monitor the situation in case anything changes, which you may already know if you start to feel symptoms coming on again.

Also keep in mind that it's not just your T you need to monitor. You need to check estradiol (estrogen), and hematocrit.  If your E is too high, you may need something like Anazastrole/Arimidex to lower your E. There again, you have to try a dose level for a while, then get labs done. If you crash your E, bad things will happen. (I get joint pain like a mofo.) If you let your E get too high, you can become a basket case emotionally and it can cause other health problems. Too high or too low can also cause ED.

This stuff isn't rocket surgery but does require clue. Trouble is, most docs follow the book because they fail to have clue.

So Ive been donating plasma for the past 3 weeks and today they said my iron was to high.(56) Carters wont take blood above 54 so basically it looks like i have to "donate" myself.

I eat my body weight in grams of protein per day. She says i know you workout and are very healthy but you have to get your iron down.

Guys my DR will not help me PERIOD . I told him if he did not help By God I would get it from the internet F him
58 y/o male great shape
Testosterone 385 , Free testosterone 45.6
I have absolutely no Libido . My wife is Hot and sexy as they come . Yet I have Zero interest . No I am not gay !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suggestions . Buy online ????? and from whom

I wouldn't think the plasma gets rid of too many RBCs? This could be why your iron remained high. Did you try the citrus bioflavonoids ? I am curious to see if they do anything to reduce HCT.

I got a nice kick in the nuts today.  My doc decided 2 weeks ago to suddenly retire/quit.  Fortunately I have enough supplies to last for a couple more months should it take that long to find what I'm looking for.  His nurses liked me so I've been asking them who his biggest competition in town is.  I've got a few leads to explore at least.

Up above a few posts is a link to what the median T level is by age. Yours is way below average. The Clomid thing, Clomiphene Citrate, that you can get from a reliable pharmacy (hint) may help get your T back in gear. It may or may not help with libido depending on how well it works overall for you. The other option is to find another doc or do the telemedicine thing and go for the T shot protocol (T, HCG, Arimidex if required).

I haven't tried anything other than donating to Carter. If I donate blood then I can't donate plasma for 2 months which defeats the purpose of what I'm trying to accomplish.

What are you trying to accomplish?

See if there is a provider certified by this organization in your area.  If so they should be willing to help.  http://worldlinkmedical.com/directory/

If you can't find anyone then I would not advise anything illegal; however, someone that is more trust worthy than others mentioned the US stock on this site to me at one point http://www.muscle-depot.ws/cart/ .  I have no idea about the company and never done any business with them but I know someone who claims they have.  

Paying cash for a very expensive 10yr anniversary.

Eta
Or thermal if she pisses me off.

How I envy you.

Have you tried what they don't know won't hurt them?  Some places share your data so they might catch on what you're up to and give you a time out though.  But plasma donation does jack for high HCT levels.

Looks like all of the nearby doctors listed on 1st linked site are weightloss clinics - these tend to want to give pellets or only give the injections themselves for which they charge.

Second site url wants to be paid by western union with a $200 minimum.  That's not a minor risk.

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