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Posted: 12/6/2001 9:08:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2001 9:15:13 AM EDT by antiUSSA]
Is there any particular reason that certain members here feel they need to resort to obscenities during our "time of crisis"..? It seems that many of the SteyrAug groupies have crawled out from under the woodwork and are breaking just about each and every one of the personal attack and obscenity rules, but feel that since there seems to be a split between the STAFF and MEMBERS, they can get away with it. Suddenly, the "CPMB" ([i]Coalition for the Prevention of Member Banishment[/i]) has taken to rather abusive verbal protests in a less than feeble attempt to resurrect their almighty and noble superhero! Why is it that these guys should suddenly be above reproach..? Is it because they have already put the STAFF on the defensive edge, and are hoping to martyr themselves in the process, or is it that they know that no STAFF member would dare take action now, with everything else going on..? Personally, I can safely say it's the later, because I played that "Cat & Mouse" game for over 2 years! Since the members of "CPMB" feel so strongly that the rules shall be equally enforced, I say banish all of them as well. Remember, when the "Pied Piper" left town, the rats followed!
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 9:14:31 AM EDT
Anti, Are we not to curse? I'm f____kin sorry
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 9:59:28 AM EDT
There is no need for anyone to curse. The only thing needed at this point is no more "preemptive strikes" also known as making the rules up as you go along.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:06:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:07:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:10:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Maynard:
Originally Posted By antiUSSA: Remember, when the "Pied Piper" left town, the rats followed!
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That appears to be a personal attack to me. Can you handle your own medicine and take a banishment? I strongly doubt it. That said, I'm glad AUG is gone and hope he doesn't return but I doubt that will happen either.
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Actually, I was referring to the childrens fable... but it applies equally well in certain situations! [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:19:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:38:10 AM EDT
Maynard, although I haven't seen the declines you mentioned, but if you are indeed correct, could it also possibility be the result of people who visit here to learn about, and discuss firearms being driven off by topics like BOTD, or how a womans privates smell? No flame, just an honest question.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:42:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: Maynard, although I haven't seen the declines you mentioned, but if you are indeed correct, could it also possibility be the result of people who visit here to learn about, and discuss firearms being driven off by topics like BOTD, or how a womans privates smell? No flame, just an honest question.
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If someone wants to discuss firearms I would imagine they would do it the General Firearms discussion forum, not the "non-firearms" forum ya think? I mean isn't this forum specifically for NON-FIREARMS discussion, hence the name?
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:45:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: ...could it also possibility be the result of people who visit here to learn about, and discuss firearms being driven off by topics like BOTD, or how a womans privates smell?
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I can tell you from detailed, extensive personal knowledge that that is a FACT. Of course, being the good Joe that I am, i have attempted to make up for this decline in traffic ALL BY MYSELF with extensive postings on this site. [BD]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:46:59 AM EDT
"Get a grip people..." The subject should have read: "Get a [i]gripe[/i] people..." Or at least that's the way it seems sometimes. About personal attacks, in my opinion, you guys are taking this much too seriously. antiUSSA called me a (excuse the language) dumbass several times last week. Did I call for his account to be revoked? Did I hurl obscenities back at him? Did I start other threads on the topic? Did I try to make a martyr of myself? The answer is [b]no[/b] to all of those questions. Heck, I even like the guy and greatly appreciate his contribution here. We just disagreed on a topic that he felt strongly about. I wish some of the posters here could be more rational and think twice before hitting submit.z
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:49:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: Maynard, although I haven't seen the declines you mentioned, but if you are indeed correct, could it also possibility be the result of people who visit here to learn about, and discuss firearms being driven off by topics like BOTD, or how a womans privates smell? No flame, just an honest question.
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Yep.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 10:56:14 AM EDT
But, it is NOT a porno site! If you want porno go to that type of site not a "firearms" in general site where you get upset when "firearms" enthusiasts protest the smut. jackpot
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:01:39 AM EDT
I for one do not tune into this site for porn or scorn. If people want to delft into these things then take them to where they belong, sites that cater to these things. Last I checked I come to this site for the sole purpose of getting and giving info as it relates our beloved AR15 and its sidekicks. I really don't know or even care what people do behind closed doors, that's why they made them. Now you open that door and expose these things, what do you expect to happen? My vote, PORN FREE SITE.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:05:39 AM EDT
Hellraiser, just because it's called General Discussion, does that mean that decency, curtesy, and respect still shouldn't apply? Does that mean that rules set by the owner are to be ignored?
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:10:54 AM EDT
It`s spelled.....M A T U R I T Y..........................OR...just one of the high/low points this site goes through on a regular basis........[:)]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:14:54 AM EDT
[b]**SIGH**[/b] Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:15:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2001 11:07:52 AM EDT by AR15fan]
Originally Posted By DonR: Does that mean that rules set by the owner are to be ignored?
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No, those rules are to be enforced. But new rules are not to be made up by rookie GD moderators. The staff still doesnt get it. Nobody cares about BATD, its the arbitrary decision to close a thread that had not violated the TOS that caused this rift.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:15:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:24:03 AM EDT
AR15fan, maybe the early locking of that thread was a bit early, but every one of those threads had gotten out of hand before. While some folks posted pics that were ok, there were always some who just had to push things past the limit. Maybe BigPig was anticipating what was sure to come.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:34:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:37:52 AM EDT
Can we please get back our enjoyment of this site now?
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:39:11 AM EDT
Guys, I was kidding around. If we are not to use the "f" word or G__Damn, so be it, and I totally agree that BOTD should not be porn, that's what the stile project is for, not this. I like the attitudes here and still don't have my own AR or FAL, but enjoy the banter and discussion of everything. I do like stirring the S__T and rail on people now and then, but the main thing I like is that it's not like The Firing Line that the mods jump on a thread as soon as someone gets a little personal. [soapbox] IMHO Cheers and let's bring back Steyr
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:50:02 AM EDT
What the hell is going on around here? Traffic is obviously down, but the content has hardly changed since I started posting (granted that hasn't been a trmendously long time). One of the reasons I liked this site initialy was the controversial topics incited by posters like McUzi... I hardly ever agreed with people like that, but the responses to those posts were usually intelligent and thought provoking, and showed the overall decency of the members of the board. I saw what SteyrAUG wrote, and he most definately could've come up with something more sublime than calling the MOD a "scumbag asshole"... but I can't say I think he should've been banned for it. The guy was a prolific poster and usually had good advice to give, and contributed more to this board than most of the people here. All I'm getting at is that maybe, in light of what he'd contributed in the past, you'd forgive an indiscretion and only suspend him for a while. I mean shit, the guy could'a just had a bad day... came here to relax and felt he was getting ripped on by a MOD, and lashed out. It happens. If he was doing it consistantly, that'd be another story.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 11:56:25 AM EDT
I don't have a dog in this fight. But from a business stand point I don't think the management has handled it very well. It seems to have gotten personal. While that makes for interesting reading for me it is bad business. I would bet that the banner advertisers pay on the number of hits. I will also bet that when the general discussion forum started the hits went way up. From the attitude that I see from the moderators on this situation is the customers can basically pound dirt. This will eventually drive them away. Thus less hits/less advertising money. I have heard mentioned that if you are not a paying customer that you shouldn't be able to comment. I would submit that even non paying customers are considered hits by the banner advertisers, thus a valuable commodity. I really like this site and would hate to see it disappear.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:09:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:17:16 PM EDT
Granted Maynard, you bring up some interesting points, but once again, could the actions of the admins and mods be the result of some members who choose to act like rioting prisoners? As with all things, any action causes an equal reaction. You are right on the mark about cooler heads. They need to come from both sides.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:39:23 PM EDT
Funny thing that Maynard mentioned "prison guards", because next to Ed-sr, the fairest and most neutral staff member here is Striker... and he's a prison guard! [:D]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:44:46 PM EDT
Since I know that a very large number of the older, senior most members ([i]and I don't mean post counts[/i]) are lurking in the shadows and filtering through this mess, I would like to make a special request of them... [b]Guys, please step forward and begin participating again...[/b] It was YOUR knowledge that built this site into what it originally was. You guys are also the ones that can help to clean it up and get it back in it's original path! I would greatly appreciate it if you guys would respond to this thread and let us hear YOUR thoughts and opinions.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:44:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:45:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:45:52 PM EDT
People, just remember that we had a similar furor when moderators were created and given authority in the first place. More than a few members didn't like it and chose to leave. I didn't really care for it at the time, either, but chose to stick around and I'm glad I did. In retrospect, moderators were and still are needed because of a minority of members who are unable to control or police themselves. Not only did AR15.com and the General Discussion forum survive, but it has thrived. AR15.com combines being the best and most informative firearm website in existence with a relatively wholesome atmosphere, and will continue to be and do so with or without SA and his band of merry men. If SA had been asked to limit BOTD to only one thread and chose not to abide by that request, BigPig was entirely appropriate in locking down subsequent threads on the issue.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:48:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr: Striker was neutered? My, oh my! The things you learn about members in AR15.com
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Naw, but we have taken a collection and raised the funds to see that Juan is... We were hoping that you would be willing to save us some money and clip him yourself, if we supplied the tin snips!
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:51:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boomer: More than a few members didn't like it and chose to leave. I didn't really care for it at the time, either, but chose to stick around and I'm glad I did. In retrospect, moderators were and still are needed because of a minority of members who are unable to control or police themselves.
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As many will recall, this site was originally UNMODERATED for several months, until the need arose...
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:54:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By antiUSSA: As many will recall, this site was originally UNMODERATED for several months, until the need arose...
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Months? I thought it was a couple of YEARS. Maybe my memory is just getting foggy with age, though.
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 12:54:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: Anti i could not agree with you more on that fact. That is the exact reason i have made a real effort not to flame and needlessly rant about this. I felt there was a real problem and tried to address it as such. Those that came on witht the flames are just stirring up sh*t and are doing more harm than good.
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Beer Slayer, I haven't necessary agreed with you during this latest round of membership conflicts. But the above post shows a great deal of maturity and for this I commend you. It is nice to see a member approach this issue in a rational manor. Sgtar15 PS. Of course my opinion of you can change at a moments notices[;)]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 1:04:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 1:08:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: Oh my god!! i have been called , reasonable , rational and mature within the last 24 hrs. My Rep is shot!!
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Whacko Redneck Gunnut! There. You feel better now? [:D]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 1:10:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 2:34:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2001 2:44:30 PM EDT by Maynard]
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 2:44:30 PM EDT
do i have to turn over my dillon reloading press calander?
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 2:45:37 PM EDT
NATAS
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 2:52:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2001 2:48:53 PM EDT by antiUSSA]
Originally Posted By Maynard: This sight provides a service, [blue]you are the service provider and we are the customer base.[/blue]
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Customers pay, you don't!
[blue]Ok now if you were to recieve this kind of treatment or see this kind of behaviour from a place you were doing business with would you likely be a repeat customer.[/blue]
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Agreed... You should take your own advice and "do business" elsewhere!
[blue]I would like to see a more proffesional attitude from the Staff rather than what seems to be the current surliness.[/blue]
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The STAFF feels the same way about the members!
I realize not eveyone posses EricTheHun wisdom or patience [blue]but fiascos like Libertyof76 and Anti-USSA as Staff members seem to be lessons unlearned.[/blue]
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Likewise, I'm the same dumbass that allowed you back in... what a stupid thing for me to have done!
[blue]Curteous proffesional[/blue] consistent moderation regardless of content [blue]will be the remedy most of us desire.[/blue]
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Ever heard of a "Two way Street"..? Then please go back and re-read your own posts!
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:01:20 PM EDT
I only stop by occasionally, but as far I can tell, anti-USSA as no business being a moderator. I was all ready to buy a LEGP rifle, but after observing his behavior in the LEGP forum, I decided that I couldn't trust a petty egomaniac with a thousand bucks.... since he was at the heart of the LEGP, that meant no AR for me. I've talked to 3 people who decided not to buy one for exactly the same reason... Anti's continuing position of power is solid proof that the "good 'ol boy system" is alive and well at AR15.com
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:04:44 PM EDT
Customers pay, you don't!
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That would be true if there were no banners. You don't display those banners for free do you?
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:05:50 PM EDT
Anti's continuing position of power is solid proof that the "good 'ol boy system" is alive and well at AR15.com
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[red]*** NEWS FLASH ***[/red] I turned in my keys months ago! If someoone is so stupid as to NOT purchase a awesome firearm at an even better price because they don't like a person involved in the project, then they are just that... STUPID!
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:06:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:12:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Griz:
Customers pay, you don't!
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[blue]That would be true if there were no banners. You don't display those banners for free do you?[/blue]
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Those would be called A D V E R T I S E R S! The advertisers help to defray the costs associated with this site in exchange for... advertising. On the otherhand, YOU as a member, are not an actual "customer" as defined by Maynard!
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:18:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/6/2001 3:14:39 PM EDT by Griz]
*** NEWS FLASH *** I turned in my keys months ago!
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Oops, sorry, I told you I wasn't hanging around much. Maybe I'll have to spend some more time around here now.
If someoone is so stupid as to NOT purchase a awesome firearm at an even better price because they don't like a person involved in the project, then they are just that... STUPID!
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No, Stupid would be letting greed force you into a deal with someone you don't trust. Not to mention that, while not a bad deal, the LEGP was not an unbeatable deal...
Link Posted: 12/6/2001 3:19:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Griz: I only stop by occasionally, but as far I can tell, anti-USSA as no business being a moderator. I was all ready to buy a LEGP rifle, but after observing his behavior in the LEGP forum, I decided that I couldn't trust a petty egomaniac with a thousand bucks.... since he was at the heart of the LEGP, that meant no AR for me. I've talked to 3 people who decided not to buy one for exactly the same reason... Anti's continuing position of power is solid proof that the "good 'ol boy system" is alive and well at AR15.com
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Ditto!!!
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