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Posted: 11/21/2001 4:09:22 AM EST
Hielo actually gave me an idea. (I know - I'm as Shocked as anyone [:D] ) I think we need to start a new religion. it will be called "DoWhatchaWanna." The basic rule is "Do Whatcha Wanna." But as with any of the other religions, it quickly becomes more complicated than that. So I need your help - we need to make up the rest of the rules for our new religion.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:15:57 AM EST
Rules could be very simple, merely do what you want, harm unto none.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:18:12 AM EST
What about... tithes church attendance the existence of a "deity" a holy text etc etc etc??????
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:19:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2001 4:14:19 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:29:15 AM EST
Does no harm, what you take from it is up to you. If you are a woman and feel harmed by a man opening a door for you, make sure not to do that to someone else. If you feel harmed because other people don't follow your flavor of religion, make sure not to do that to someone else. Rememeber, it is *your* personal beleif, not what someone else takes from it that matters in this religion. As to tithes, don't need them. Church attendance? Ever second of your life you are attending this church. A holy text? "Do no harm to others" doesn't fill up many pages, but feel free to go for it if you feel the need. A deity? He lives inside of you, Do no harm to others, whats so hard to figure out about that? I understand the need to make it complex and mysterious, after all how else could/can we control the masses with the rest of the club other organized religions wield. It is quite simple, Do no harm to others. Of course if someone does harm you, god insists that you remove the sinner quickly and with a minimum of fuss.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:31:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2001 4:24:35 AM EST by hielo]
Wow, Garandman, I just realized the *HUGE* sin you just committed by starting your own religion, damn, boy, that is one whopper of a badie. I bet that god really gives you a bit of fire 'n brimstone for that sacrilegous pap... {edited because I was laughing so hard...)
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:40:47 AM EST
Time was, when that would have been a major sin. Nothing that could be laughed off. But I guess the Bible is a "living document" that changes with the times.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:49:46 AM EST
You would need to add "Be intolerant of, and ridicule anyone who doesn't believe in your religion at every single opportunity you can think of."
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:52:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By hielo: Wow, Garandman, I just realized the *HUGE* sin you just committed by starting your own religion, damn, boy, that is one whopper of a badie.
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But if the religion is called "DoWhatchaWanna" how is it even POSSIBLE to sin, unless you aren't "doing whatcha wanna??" [BD]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 4:54:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By a3kid: You would need to add "Be intolerant of, and ridicule anyone who doesn't believe in your religion at every single opportunity you can think of."
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That's a given for any freedom lover [:D] C'mon, if you're not in favor of letting people do what they want you deserve to be ridiculed. Right? [;D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:00:13 AM EST
[:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:16:45 AM EST
You guys kill me sometimes. Do what you wanna is a new idea? Kidding, right? You want your church to be something like this" "The church has two tenets: the absolute right of freedom of religion and to do that which is right. Anything else within the law is allowed." [url]http://www.ulc.org/ulchq/index.htm[/url] Yes, I am an ordained minister of ULC, thank you for asking. TheRedGoat/Baphomet
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:16:49 AM EST
Forgive my ignorance but....where are you going with this.....????
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:18:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By hielo: Wow, Garandman, I just realized the *HUGE* sin you just committed by starting your own religion, damn, boy, that is one whopper of a badie.
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But if the religion is called "DoWhatchaWanna" how is it even POSSIBLE to sin, unless you aren't "doing whatcha wanna??" [BD]
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Yes, but we true beleivers know you are an agent provacteur, your religion frowns on this sort of thing, doesn't it?
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:19:27 AM EST
Call it egocentric humanism.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:24:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By hielo: Yes, but we true beleivers know you are an agent provacteur, your religion frowns on this sort of thing, doesn't it?
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Well, I keep hearing on this forum how I am supposed to "have respect for all other religions." And that MY "religion is so intolerant." So, I'm broadening my mind here. Work WITH me, hielo. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:28:24 AM EST
I am working with you, I just am wondering what your church officials are going to do with you. (Just worried for that soul of yours my friend, thats all). Now in my church, poking fun at your/our god is perfectly acceptable and highly prized, starting your own versions of a religion is to be accepted (After all, yourt god is not the same as mine, as I am not the same as you). If you can't laugh at your god, what kind of sense of humor can she really have?
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:40:34 AM EST
How can I "DoWhatchaWanna" if I can do no harm to others?[>:/] Oh! The humanity![}:D] If everybody does what they want then will someone get hurt? Would "DoWhatchaWant" be almost the same as "DoNuthinAllTheTime"? Can we say "Amen" in this religion?[^] I guess so since we can "DoWhatWeWant"! What day do we have services on? Maybe Monday night so we can watch the football game? BigDozer66
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:40:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: What about... tithes church attendance the existence of a "deity" a holy text etc etc etc??????
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Tithes: Buy more firearms. Church attendance: Get to the range at least once a month Our "deity": Sam Colt? Holy text: An AR15 user's manual (or maybe the "Shooter's Bible")
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 5:41:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: I think we need to start a new religion.
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Sorry, garandman, but L. Ron Hubbard already beat you to it. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 6:02:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By Steel_Rat:
Originally Posted By garandman: I think we need to start a new religion.
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Sorry, garandman, but L. Ron Hubbard already beat you to it. [:D]
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Good point.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 6:16:53 AM EST
L. Ron Hubabrd - I know the name, but I can't place it. Actually, I would have thought more people round here were disciples of Ron Jeremy (I think that's his name) [}:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 6:29:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: L. Ron Hubabrd - I know the name, but I can't place it.
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Scientology, Battlefield Earth and all that happy horse leavings.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 6:49:53 AM EST
Yeah. Garand man can be our leader. We'll all move to little commune in South America,We'll call it "Garandmantown". Then one day he'll tell us all to drink the purple kool-aid.....wait a minute,that sounds familiar.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 6:51:08 AM EST
The very nature of the religiion indicates a total disregard of others..."me first' is the rule. Holy writings? A volume of that uses bits and pieces of Ayn Rand's work, all taken out of context. We can then have clergymen to further misintepret them for us, as other religions do. The nature of the religion is such that adherents would be too greedy to pay tithes and so forth, w/o tangible rewards in return. Any day the stock market posts a gain should be a holy day, likewise the birthdays of the major porn stars. May I suggest having a sect that concentrates on the sexual aspect of life. You can call it "Tantric DoWhatchaWanna." BTW, as the founder of this religion and its Earthly focus, are you going to claim infallibility in matters of church doctrine? it's worked for others and seems a natural way to increase your bottom line.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 7:01:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By Golgo-13: The very nature of the religiion indicates a total disregard of others..."me first' is the rule. Holy writings? A volume of that uses bits and pieces of Ayn Rand's work, all taken out of context. We can then have clergymen to further misintepret them for us, as other religions do. The nature of the religion is such that adherents would be too greedy to pay tithes and so forth, w/o tangible rewards in return. Any day the stock market posts a gain should be a holy day, likewise the birthdays of the major porn stars. May I suggest having a sect that concentrates on the sexual aspect of life. You can call it "Tantric DoWhatchaWanna."
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Sounds an AWFUL lot like someone REALLY HAS already beat me to creating this religion.
BTW, as the founder of this religion and its Earthly focus, are you going to claim infallibility in matters of church doctrine? it's worked for others and seems a natural way to increase your bottom line.
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I am but your humble servant. I seek no position of authoity other than keeper of the arms closet. Every good religion has a military component, no??? [:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:22:05 AM EST
Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:25:33 AM EST
what would jebus do?
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:46:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
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Why yes it is. [:D] 'bout time someone picked up on that. And also 'What you do will come back to you three times' or something like that...
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:48:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By Shazbat: Rules could be very simple, merely do what you want, harm unto none.
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Very much like the Church Of Satan, in fact. I don't worship Satan, but I have read the Satanic Bible, along with various other books of that nature. (Yes, I have also read the "real" Bible as well.) I have studied several religions to try to be open-minded and find for myself what many religions preach, instead of hearing it from others, who have already developed their own opinion on these matters. What does this have to do with "DoWhatchaWanna"? I do not know. Although I suspect this is a GREAT amount of sarcasm on the part of garandman, I do believe he is finally headed in the right direction. [;)] Tyler
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:48:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
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With a STRICT rule like that, how do you figger they justify human sacrifices???? [}:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:48:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: Hielo actually gave me an idea. (I know - I'm as Shocked as anyone [:D] ) I think we need to start a new religion. it will be called "DoWhatchaWanna." The basic rule is "Do Whatcha Wanna." But as with any of the other religions, it quickly becomes more complicated than that. So I need your help - we need to make up the rest of the rules for our new religion.
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Too late. It's called Scientology.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:51:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fighting-Illini: what would jebus do?
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Probably brush up on His keyboarding skills...
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:52:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By shooterX308: Too late. It's called Scientology.
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But Scientology requires that the followers be stupid, and rich followers must donate large sums of cash so L. Ron Hoover can afford the new yacht based 'temple'
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:52:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By shooterX308:
Originally Posted By Fighting-Illini: what would jebus do?
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Probably brush up on His keyboarding skills...
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arghh...some dumbass doesn't watch enough simpsons.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:55:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2001 8:48:25 AM EST by garandman]
Originally Posted By Fighting-Illini: arghh...some dumbass doesn't watch enough simpsons.
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BUAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA ROTFLOL IF ever, there was a statement, that could be considered a paradox, that, my friend, was it!!!!!!!! "Dumbass" is their target audience!!!!
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 8:58:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By Fighting-Illini: arghh...some dumbass doesn't watch enough simpsons.
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BUAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA ROTFLOL IF ever, there was a statement, that could be considered a paradox, that, my friend, was it!!!!!!!! "Dumbass" is their target audience!!!!
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Hey pontiff, go check out the members forum and look for my latest post, I made you a present.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 9:26:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
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With a STRICT rule like that, how do you figger they justify human sacrifices???? [}:D]
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They don't do human sacrifices. That's like me asking you with all your morals and self-righteousness, how do you justify the crusades or burning women at the stake because you deemed them to be witches? Wiccans don't do human sacrifices. They practice an earth based religion where they channel positive energies to help heal and support life. There are wacko's who claim to be Satanists or align themselves with some dark craft, but these are the MINORITY and not the majority like you keep implying. That's like saying Koresh represents your religion and we should judge all Christians by his actions. Do you always preach such hatred and is this the Christian way? Or are you really this ignorant about Wicca and other Pagan religions?
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 9:38:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By wgunn:
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
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With a STRICT rule like that, how do you figger they justify human sacrifices???? [}:D]
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Wiccans don't do human sacrifices. Do you always preach such hatred ....
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Wiccangunn - You are wired tighter than Shylock's guitar.[}:D] Re-fricken-lax. It was a JOKE. Comedy. Humor. Irony. I am not aware of ANYONE that does human sacrifice. But I must say- You defend Wicca as well as I defend Christianity. And to call the notion of the existence of God "pure lunacy" ain't exactly preachin' love, brother.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 9:50:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
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With a STRICT rule like that, how do you figger they justify human sacrifices???? [}:D]
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The same way other religions practice ritualistic cannibalism, no?
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 9:54:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By RikWriter: Isn't "an' it harm none, do as thou wilt," the main tenet of Wicca?
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With a STRICT rule like that, how do you figger they justify human sacrifices???? [}:D]
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The same way other religions practice ritualistic cannibalism, no?
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You must be thinking of the doctrine of Transubstantiation, which is NOT Biblical. And I do NOT beleive in. (And i won't mention the "sect" that teaches it.) Besides, you guys have already established MY religion to be a "harm EVERYONE" religion, simply by having the AUDACITY to share my faith and vocalize my opinion. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 9:58:18 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:05:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By raf: I can only imagine the outraged howls had a similar jab been taken at, say, Christianity.
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Ohhhh, gimme a break. Jabs at Christianity happen routinely round here. Just today we've had... [b]God is a "SHE" The concept of God is lunacy. I've been asked to justify the Crusades or burning women at the stake LIKE I HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.[/b] Y'all need to apply for federal aid as disabled people - specifically, humor-impaired. Lighten up. Drink decaf.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:05:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: You defend Wicca as well as I defend Christianity. And to call the notion of the existence of God "pure lunacy" ain't exactly preachin' love, brother.
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Hey, someone has to. And I'm not about preaching love, I could care less about that. Christianity is based on Pagan traditions (take Christmas as an example) and was custom tailored in the early days to appeal to Pagans... so as to steal them away. For you to attack the Pagan religions is kind of funny in that you're attacking the basis for your own religion. I've found that the vast majority of religions are nothing more than businesses. You give them money and support and in return you get "salvation". It's a great gimmick. No one comes back from the dead bitching that they got ripped off and you sleep easier at night believing you're going to live in heaven once you kick the bucket. I think the Wiccan religions are screwed up too. If I had to choose a new religion, I guess I would be a Jew. They probably are closer to being right than any of the European flavors of Christianity.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:09:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:13:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By garandman: Just today we've had... [b]God is a "SHE" The concept of God is lunacy. I've been asked to justify the Crusades or burning women at the stake LIKE I HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.[/b]
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I never said you had anything to do with burning people at the stake. I said your claims that Wiccans do human sacrifices is like me saying Christians want to do similar things. Yes, both religions have done horrible things to their fellow man in the past, but you're (as usual) missing the point. I also asked if we should judge all Christians by Koresh's actions. The answer is obviously no, and that was my point. You've made similar statements about Wiccans in the past... about them being Satanic and you've brought up the whole human sacrifice thing before too. Hey, early Christians did animal sacrifices and I wouldn't be surprised to find out they did a few human ones too. For you to dismiss your constant assailment of anything non-Christian as levity I believe would be misleading, if not an out right lie. I don't hate you or even dislike you. I just find entertainment in poking holes in your religion. You're the one that makes it a constant topic on these forums, so I feel justified in taking a few shots. Nothing personal. And yes, I do find a belief in an invisible deity to be lunacy. Just as you probably find a belief in fairies, dragons, leprechauns, aliens, or big foot to be nutty. In such a case we have another glowing example of the pot calling the kettle black.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:27:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: Wiccangunn -
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How would you like for me to refer to you as Ass Clown-arandman? Is it really necessary to call me names? Just because it's my opinion that believing in fairies or Gods constitutes a mental condition or lunacy isn't the same as me butchering your alias in a sophomoric attempt at an insult. Is this Christian of you? Would God support such actions? Just curious. I can return the favor though, if you wish to persist. I have a whole repertoire of tasteless metaphors I can use in reference to you and your religion, assuming you wish to continue on this course. I'm sure it was an oversight on your part though, no apology is necessary.
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:29:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By wgunn:
Originally Posted By garandman: Wiccangunn -
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How would you like for me to refer to you as Ass Clown-arandman? .
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yes, please. I've always found that phrase both interesting and amusing. Traits I'd like associated with myself. Yikes - sounds like SOME people didn't get their sugared cereals this morning. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:33:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By wgunn: Just because it's my opinion that believing in fairies or Gods constitutes a mental condition or lunacy isn't the same as me butchering your alias in a sophomoric attempt at an insult. .
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There's an intersting statement. Alleging someone is mentally deficient is LESS egregious than a sophomoric ATTEMPT at an insult. HAHA...I am LOL [:D]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:33:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By garandman: Ohhhh, gimme a break. Jabs at Christianity happen routinely round here. Just today we've had... [b]God is a "SHE"[/b]
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No way - if God was female then men would've been made with their dicks on their chins!! [:P]
Link Posted: 11/21/2001 10:33:39 AM EST
Darn... I thought this thread was gonna be fun - not another religious debate. [pissed] Tyler
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