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Posted: 1/21/2008 10:10:51 AM EDT
Here is the scoop:

My son was home Thursday evening doing his homework when his ink pen died. He asked if I had one he could have. I reached into the pen holder on my desk and grabbed a pen and gave it to him. He continued his homework as usual. The night passed normally, everyone goes to bed, and Friday rolls around.

So, my phone rings Friday afternoon. It's the vice principal from my son's school saying that he needs to discuss a serious situation about my son. When I asked him what was going on, he tells me that a pen bearing a Glock logo is forbidden by school policy and that I need to come and pick up my son because there is a manditory 3 day suspension because of the violation. Apparently, one of my son's teachers saw him writing with the pen during an assignment.

While I have the VP on the telephone, I retrieve my son's student handbook. Flipping though it, I see that weapons, replica weapons, pictures of weapons, and weapon images on keychains or other items are forbidden. The pen I had given him was one I picked up at a law enforcement firearms competition last year - which bore only the Glock logo, but not an image or rendition of a firearm. Nowhere does it say that a firearm company logo is restricted by school policy. I explain this to the VP.

So, the VP gets his handbook and looks through it. He was in agreement that the pen did not directly violate the policy, but that the Glock name was commonly known to be a firearm and therefore it technically was in violation. Then, the VP even makes a statement to the fact that I am a local LEO and I should know the proper application of the rules.

I found this to be the most hilarious interpetation of school law yet. I engaged in an argument for a short time about the suspension and how the pen did not violate the posted rules as understood by anyone reading it. The VP would not budge on his position and referred me to the school system's superintendant's office.

So, my son is at home and I have an appointment at the school superintendant's office tomorrow. I will try to be diplomatic, but this situation is clearly not covered by the rules by the VP's own admission. Maybe I am wrong here, but this just seems very unfair and exceptionally liberal.

How would you deal with this situation?

Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:11:48 AM EDT
Oh boy, I predict a long thread.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:13:27 AM EDT
You GOT to be jivin'!

Go to your meeting tomorrow in uniform with your pistol and all your other gear.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:13:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:13:42 AM EDT
Zero Tolerance = Zero Thought

Next case....
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:03 AM EDT
I would appear at the meeting with the superintendent with my son's lawyer.

No, I am not joking. I would demand a public apology, in writing. How dare they.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:10 AM EDT
your son needs to go to private school.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:15 AM EDT
Cyber school.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:19 AM EDT
If it would have said SigArms he would have been given a pat on the back and told he was a smart boy.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:15:56 AM EDT by RenegadeX]

Originally Posted By Odingaard:

How would you deal with this situation?



Private education.

People that stupid cannot be entrusted to provide an education to my children.

ETA:

Too funny, but what would they do if your actual name was Colt, Winchester, Glock, Barrett, Browning etc?
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:33 AM EDT
I'd discuss it with the local media
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:33 AM EDT
Shoot his dog!!!!

(seriously, that is screwed up. Definitely have a talk with the Super)
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:34 AM EDT
Are you freakin kidding me? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. WTF is he gonna do, shoot someone with his ink pen?
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:14:58 AM EDT
Take your kid out of public school.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:15:13 AM EDT
Go to the principal, and register a grievance.

Go their meeting and raising holly hell.

Courts and sue them.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:15:16 AM EDT
I will get my $.02 in early.

The principal was being a git and the school policy is moronic. This is so utterly stupid.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:15:39 AM EDT
sometimes lawyers are a good thing.

+$1,000,000

Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:16:17 AM EDT
Stand your ground, and go over the super's head if you have too.


Amazing how stupid some people are when it comes to these things. (the principal, not you)



Good luck.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:16:23 AM EDT



how would *I* deal with the situation? well, i'd file this away as a lesson learned on how authority figures can fuck someone's life up over the smallest little nothing, and keep it in the back of my mind in case i ever find myself in a situation where i could do the same...


Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:16:23 AM EDT
Go in there and turkey slap the principal.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:16:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:17:09 AM EDT by 30Caliber]

Originally Posted By Milquetoast:
I would appear at the meeting with the superintendent with my son's lawyer.

No, I am not joking. I would demand a public apology, in writing. How dare they.


+1.

Or don't bring a lawyer and you can get the same answer you got on the phone.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:16:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:18:06 AM EDT by Dragracer_Art]
How the FUCK we went from having hunter safety courses in school, which sometimes included bringing an unloaded rifle to class... to banning even somuch as a BALLPOINT PEN with a gun makers NAME on it... is just beyond my comprehension.

UNFUCKINGBELIVABLE how times have changed in just 20 years.

I can remember bringing automotive wheel weights to school so we could melt them down and cast them into bullets during class.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:16:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:17:33 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]
Send him to school in an "infidel" shirt
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Maxwell71:
Take your kid out of public school.


Easy to say, but I agree with the sentiment.

I think you should raise holy hell over it. An INK PEN? hinking.gif

Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:11 AM EDT
The VP was probably worried that the pen would Kaboom!
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:19:11 AM EDT by Strider47]
Now THIS is a taserable offense (the V..P)!!!

Reason #87 why my daughter will not attend public school.

I hope it gets sorted out. What a freaking shame.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:31 AM EDT
We live in a Bureaucracy, not a Democracy. I believe this more and more every day.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Odingaard:

How would you deal with this situation?



Private education.

People that stupid cannot be entrusted to provide an education to my children.

ETA:

Too funny, but what would they do if your actual name was Colt, Winchester, Glock, Barrett, Browning etc?


+1

Someone who cannot tell a pen from a pistol wants to teach my children?
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:45 AM EDT
Send him back with a Glock hat. Tell him that they are an apparel company.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:51 AM EDT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschooling
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:17:56 AM EDT
I wouldn't abide the smearing of my son.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:23:00 AM EDT by 762DM]
File suit, I hate lawsuits but sometimes they are the only way lessons are learned. I wonder how many kids are runnin' around with Weed t-shirts or teh Gangsta look. Do Not show in Uniform unless you are working, they will LOVE to call your agency and say you tried to intimidate/threaten them with your position. This isn't about him being a cop's kid but a gun owner's kid. BTW Glock is/was also a big name in industry and sewing machines.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:05 AM EDT
Definitely take it up with the Superintendant. Be firm, be polite, and don't let him pat you on your head and send you on your way. Even better, bring someone who looks like a lawyer, to take notes.


Do they not talk about horses (Colts), or US geography (Springfield..), or the US Military?
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:06 AM EDT
+1 on showing up in uniform with your weapon and all!

When we let this stuff slide we will get caught up in the entire landslide of liberal BS.

As a side note, my son snuck out my Infidel T-shirt and wore it to school with no incident. I love living on base!
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:08 AM EDT
school systems are run by liberal jackasses!! im so glad this is my sons senior year.take that VP to the mat!
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:19 AM EDT
take your lawyer with you. make sure the superintendant knows anything he says will be used as evidence in your lawsuit.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Send him back with a Glock hat. Tell him that they are an apparel company.


I thought they made shovels.

Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Odingaard:

<snip>

How would you deal with this situation?



Homeschool. They will not get any money from the government.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:52 AM EDT
Gas Gas Gas
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:18:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Chadnutz:
If it would have said SigArms he would have been given a pat on the back and told he was a smart boy.


+1 from a the proud owner of a SIG P220 and NO GLOCKS!!!
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:19:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:19:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
Go to the principal, and register a grievance.

Go their meeting and raising holly hell.

Courts and sue them.


+1
Don't give up.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:20:02 AM EDT
The more I think about it, since idiotic crap like this stays on people's records (and thanks to computers, FOREVER) you need to get a lawyer and get this reversed and taken off his record. The moron pushing the policy needs to be publicly shown for the incompetent stool sample that he is, and ideally run out of town.

Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:20:33 AM EDT
He (your son) and you are not accepting the gov't programming that "Guns are bad".


Now you must pay a price for your arrogance!


I hope you would get something out of a lawsuit. Unfortunately, they control the system top to bottom.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:20:44 AM EDT
I suggest going to the media. I know they are usually pretty liberal, but they still get stirred up about bullshit. Have an image of the pen?
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:20:55 AM EDT
This makes me sick. WTF!
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:21:14 AM EDT
That's bullshit!

I seriously hope there is some avenue you can take to force the school to give your son credit for the days they made him miss over a WORD. They effectively banned a WORD. It's not a curse or an obscenity, even. I'll bet if your kid showed up with a pen that had the word "fuck" on it, the punishment would have been less severe.

Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:21:16 AM EDT
I would contact and attorney and make an appointment with them following the appointment with the super.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:21:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/21/2008 10:22:26 AM EDT by Soybomb]
I am of the belief that usually people only learn their lesson when you hit them where it really hurts, their wallet. Even if it was a bluff I'd start talking about legal recourse for them wrongfully removing your son from school and would probably pay to have a couple scary lawyer letters sent their way. I would then be sure he had a case of block pens to use for the duration of his time at the school Follow up with the local media for removing a good student from class because of his pen.
Link Posted: 1/21/2008 10:21:34 AM EDT
Spend the 3 days of suspension target shooting with your son.

A big FUCK YOU to the school!!!
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