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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:40:45 AM EDT
Found this over at Gunboards.com. Apparently a WWII Sherman tank was found in the Iraqi desert. Any one
else have any info on this? 
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:42:09 AM EDT
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ost
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:43:08 AM EDT
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is that the weapon of mass destruction?? seriously that's cool, is it left over from the british during WW2?
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:43:42 AM EDT
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Cool, get that thing back on US soil, and put her back to the way she was supposed to look.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:44:22 AM EDT
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I actually have some much better pics of it, it took a good hit on the other side.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:44:27 AM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:44:51 AM EDT
[#6]
no thats just one of the new tanks the Iraqi military is using......
 
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:44:54 AM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:46:06 AM EDT
[#8]
What's up? Post them pics already!
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:47:06 AM EDT
[#9]
+2 And yeah it looks like it took a hit of some sorts. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:47:46 AM EDT
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man, some lucky unit is gonna have that puppy sitting on their lawn at home.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:48:05 AM EDT
[#11]
You can see the spalling marks from a hit. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:50:01 AM EDT
[#12]
OST in a big way.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:51:56 AM EDT
[#13]
Gun tube looks big enough for it to be a 105mm howiter.
M4A3E8 dibbs 
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:52:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:52:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:56:39 AM EDT
[#16]
That's NOT an Iraqi tank.
It was an Iranian tank captured by Iraq during the scuffle in the 80's. It was really scratched up by heavy MG fire which raked the sides pretty good. I have more pictures I'll post momentarily. FYI, Iran still uses m4 shermans to this day. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:58:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Looks like a good "fixer-upper", but we haven't seen the other side yet.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 9:58:29 AM EDT
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OST! |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:01:09 AM EDT
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snip
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:02:22 AM EDT
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snip
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:02:37 AM EDT
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So tagged.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:02:49 AM EDT
[#22]
waiting for more pics
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:04:12 AM EDT
[#23]
All pics are located here
here I won't kill you guys with more monitor screen and a half size pictures |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:04:34 AM EDT
[#24]
Faded sun, can you possibly make your pics any bigger?
 ETA thanks for the link to the other pics! 
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:06:34 AM EDT
[#25]
I wonder what a Hellfire would do to a M4. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:09:04 AM EDT
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m4 shermans (as were nearly all US vehicles up until the 60s) were gas. Gas burns much more readily than Diesel. The British called them "zippos" for a reason. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:10:51 AM EDT
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Holy super-size Batman! Here's a sized image of the Sherman tank
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:10:53 AM EDT
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nevermind the gasoline, a Hellfire would blow a Sherman into zippo-sized pieces, thats a huge missile! edit verbage for |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:13:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:14:16 AM EDT
[#30]
Thats pretty cool.
I can see when we go to war with Iran them coming at us with Shermans  Its probably their secret weapon 
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:16:16 AM EDT
[#31]
it took some hits, but wow...
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:16:24 AM EDT
[#32]
The Sherman on the flatbed truck is different than the pic i hosted. Check out the suspension
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:18:41 AM EDT
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I realized that after looking at the scars on the side. They're probably both Iranian, either way. I did have a picture of a US soldier guarding an m4 that was in Saddam's palace though, it was immaculate...a museum peice. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:19:22 AM EDT
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We should send our military collectors over to buy those Shermans from Iran. $5,000 a piece is a fair price and it's not enough for them to buy a better tank with either.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:19:58 AM EDT
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The M4 that took multiple hits is not the same tank as the OP's post. Look at the suspension, they are different.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:21:02 AM EDT
[#36]
That's right. The first one has the E8 roller system and a welded hull. The other has the M4 cast hull with the older suspension system.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:21:05 AM EDT
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By jove, I do believe you are right.  The original pic at the start of this thread has the later "easy 8" convoluted coil spring suspension. 
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:21:33 AM EDT
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Good grief!!1 Somebody must have used it for target practice.
Would a Hellfire even know it hit anything or would it just zip right on through without slowing down? j/k of course. But I'll bet you wouldn't find too many large pieces, especially if the thing was had a full tank of gas. Now a serious question. What would be the smallest round currently available to penatrate an M4's armor? Would some of the more exotic .50 BMG stuff work? How about the current 20mm's? |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Now that's what I call "Patina"
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:24:22 AM EDT
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Probably 20mm or higher. a .50 didn't cause those pock marks on the side. Probably a small cannon, 37 or 45mm are probably common over there. Of course, .50 raufoss would leave a mark. ETA: here are several M4 sherman/firefly wrecks. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:25:49 AM EDT
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Only if it is full of ammo otherwise it will leave a nice little hole in the side where the HEAT "Jet" entered. I have a M60 pic that shows dozens of entry holes by HEAT charges from TOW's, AT-4's, RPG's, etc. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:26:26 AM EDT
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I'll bet a Bradley could kill it.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:29:56 AM EDT
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The first tank looks like a Sherman with a 105mm howitzer.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:33:29 AM EDT
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That was exactly what I was wondering. I figured the pock marks on the second tank were probably vintage 37mm or something but I'm really so far behind what current technology offers I just didn't know if some, or any, of the exotic "small caliber" stuff would penatrate the old style armor. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:34:53 AM EDT
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Gas was not the reason Shermans burned, dry ammo storage was. Shermans with wet ammo storage where far less likely to burn when hit. |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:36:20 AM EDT
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School me on ammo storage. I'm not familiar with that.... |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:36:36 AM EDT
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M4sherman's versus M1A2 Abrams,...Man, that's like talking about dropping a frog in a blender! It'll be a blast to watch,...Literally!
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:38:31 AM EDT
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VVSS vs HVSS suspension 105mm vs 75mm gun M4 composite hull with appliqué vs M4A3 with welded rolled armor M4 was powered by a detuned 9 cyclinder aircraft radial engine and the M4A3 was powered by Ford's more powerful GAA 60deg V-8 |
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:41:12 AM EDT
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Wet stowage was a system of ammo racks with each ammo sleeve welded in place. The container that held the sleeves were filled with water which allowed for heat to dissipate and prevent the ammo from cooking off.
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Posted: 6/10/2007 10:48:15 AM EDT
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Basically the rounds are stored in ammunition storage racks surrounded by liquid in the Shermans case water. If the ammo rack was hit the water was released and would help prevent a fire and cook off. Shermans with wet storage were much less susceptible to burning when hit. It was the ammo storage that caused Shermans to burn not the gas engine as most think. ETA: The first Sherman pictured in the thread appears to be a Sherman with a 105mm howitzer and it probably had wet storage. |
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