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Posted: 9/23/2001 3:39:58 PM EDT
[b]BUSH CONTEMPLATES NATIONAL ID CARD FOR ALL CITIZENS[/b] Source: [url]www.drudgereport.com[/url] Developing... My Comments: ID Card required to travel and/or buy & sell? I'm thinking a lot of Americans will out-right refuse this. _ FS
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:22:11 PM EDT
I will!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:24:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M15A2: I will!
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... me too
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:26:44 PM EDT
... The [b]Book of Revelations[/b] coming to past!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:29:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:29:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M15A2: I will!
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Hang a big f*%cking roger on that one. I was waiting for this to start: the only way to tell the good guys from the bad guys is with a card, right? If this card becomes reality, it will have everything right down to your dick size on it in mag code. The siege mentality begins. shooter out
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:32:13 PM EDT
The morphisis to socialism is near completion.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:35:47 PM EDT
In the year of their prime They sensed it was time And the future they started to plan. They were quite elated at what they created And so it all began................
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:49:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2001 4:57:18 PM EDT by EricTheHun]
Sorry, but I not only have constitutional problems with a National Identity Card, I have religious beliefs that would prohibit my use of any sort of identity card under these circumstances. Even more so if no one was permitted to buy or sell [b]without[/b] the National Identity Card. Eric The(IfYouGetMyDrift!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:50:13 PM EDT
[b]"For man was neither able to buy or to sell without the mark in either their forehead or their hand"[/b]
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:50:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 4:56:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Sorry, but I not only have constitutional problems with a National Identity Card, I have religious beliefs that would prohibit my use of any sort of identity card under these circumstances. Even more so if no one was permitted to buy or sell with the National Identity Card. Eric The(IfYouGetMyDrift!)Hun[>]:)]
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Same here… would that make us patriots, criminals and/or lion chow? (first post, hope I did it right)
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:07:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shooterX308:
Originally Posted By M15A2: I will!
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Hang a big f*%cking roger on that one.
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Hang two big f*cking rogers on that one!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:16:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Greg3:
Originally Posted By shooterX308:
Originally Posted By M15A2: I will!
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Hang a big f*%cking roger on that one.
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Hang two big f*cking rogers on that one!
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should we go for three or is that taking it a bit too far? [B)]
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:19:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2001 5:20:49 PM EDT by VX]
Your ID-GPS micro chip is ready for implant. [size=1]Revelation 13:18[/size=1][url]http://www.digitalangel.net/da/tech.htm[/url] ^ [size=1]Allege handgun control master plan for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament.[/size=1][url]www.RKBA.org/antis/hci-master[/url] Never Again, Never Forget Seek the Truth Liberate Your Mind FIXED BAYONETS VX
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:25:57 PM EDT
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm with you guys, but how do you plan on living if this becomes an eventuality? It's great to say "I won't get one!" but how do you plan to feed your family? Do you have a social security card/# now? Do you use it every time you pay your taxes, buy/sell a car, get your driver's license, get medical care or get a job? If so, do you really think you've not accepted a national ID system already? Again, I do not intend to get a "smart card" as an ID system either. If not, though, I'm going to have to find a good farm and a good group of friends willing to barter for services. I don't expect the gov't to let this go on for long, either. What do you intend to do? I am with you if you've taken this seriously - know what it means, though. Black Fox
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:35:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2001 5:35:48 PM EDT by Greg3]
Well, I was given a SS# before I could speak out and say Noooooooo mamma. But now that I can speak for myself I will pass. God is in my life as much as he is in a lot of people here. And we know that it is pretty close to that time. Bush is talking to the EU about this card too. This is coming very close to the end it seems. I know that a card that you must have to live and buy here is that card. Mark of the Beast! I will NOT sign up for it PERIOD! My family will NOT sign up for it PERIOD! I will move to my land out in southeast Texas and live as free as I can or die free at least. I have many family members that can pull their own weight and we can work together to survive. But I hope I am wrong about this card. If not then it is the mark! Am I wrong?
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:45:33 PM EDT
We already have a national card, the social security card. Did you ever try to get a job without one? I also agree with most of you. No way. I think the feds can already keep track of us with the SS card right now.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:47:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CPL_Punishment: I am all for it.
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no details? no "here's why"? no justification? are you freakin' out of your mind? [;D]
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:47:51 PM EDT
Blackfox, I have given this a lot of thought over the past few years, more so lately. I don't know exactly how my family and I would live or for how long, on this earth, but I have a pretty good idea where we will spend eternity. Assuming that at the time I/we have the courage of our faith, if you know what I mean.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:51:41 PM EDT
If I didn't see all the flags waving everywhere, I'd swear this was some other country... What is happening to our USA ???
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:58:01 PM EDT
Agreed, GWF, agreed. I know EXACTLY what you mean. I just don't want us all to get caught up in the "feel good" atmosphere here and forget what this really means. A year ago you talked about a National ID and people would have suggested tin foil poisoning. This is just the beginning. If this has come out in the first few days, imagine what will happen after attack #14?? I'm afraid this is only beginning, and it will only get worse. I hope I am wrong. Let us not confuse ourselves what we're up against, though. Black Fox
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 6:03:51 PM EDT
Where does the chip go!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 6:06:28 PM EDT
So they skipped registering all guns in the US and are thinking about registering people instead! nice!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 6:08:04 PM EDT
If you read Revelation carefully though you will see that the "Mark of the Beast" does not come into play until approximately 3.5 years into the tribulation after "peace world-wide" has been made. Although this "ID Card" is rather prophetic and even though the stage is certainly being set it is not yet come to pass my friends. All has not been fulfilled...............yet!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 6:20:01 PM EDT
Well, regardless of whether or not this is "the mark", it is a step in a certain direction... I find it ironic, that in a time in which the media seems to be promoting prayer, and nationalism beyond anything we have seen in the past 10 years, the orchastrating that is taking place behind the scenes, is that of invoking hostility toward an enemy that is still rather undefined, and produce FEAR in the population at the same time. (guerilla units are hard to pinpoint and define, as the 'cell' structure is designed to operate independant of a command structure) I think there are more diabolical plans at hand then just "ridding the world of terrorism". This national ID card, is a step... a step in a direction. If we take this card, and learn to LIVE with it, then what will life be? I would rather be free, than be a slave to something that only exists in the hearts of men. I wonder if they will restrict, "straw purchases" of all goods, for folks that don't have a ID card. Many people will be labeled as "Anti Government". It could very well start a revolution. _ FS
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 6:45:29 PM EDT
As soon as people start losing or forging ID-Cards, they will phase in implant ID-GPS-Money micro-chip, probably starting with babies, for the Children. The government talks about Defending Liberty and Freedom, while planning to Take it away from the American People. God Help Us. ^ [size=1]Allege handgun control master plan for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament.[/size=1][url]www.RKBA.org/antis/hci-master[/url] [size=1]Revelation 13:18[/size=1][url]http://www.digitalangel.net/da/tech.htm[/url] Never Again, Never Forget Seek the Truth Liberate Your Mind FIXED BAYONETS VX
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 7:03:47 PM EDT
Ditto, ARDOC... We already have a "national ID card" called the Social Security card. What PISSES ME OFF is that only my employer and bank institutions are supposed to have this number. However, every FREAKING PERSON IN THE COUNTRY asks for it...the insurance company, the doctor, a realtor, anyone who wants to run a credit report, the car dealership, etc. etc. etc. It's BS!!!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 7:20:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tailgate: (snip) However, every FREAKING PERSON IN THE COUNTRY asks for it...the insurance company, the doctor, a realtor, anyone who wants to run a credit report, the car dealership, etc. etc. etc. It's BS!!!
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...tell 'em what I tell 'em: stick it. Ask where the law is that says you MUST give them your ID #. I don't even do it anymore with firearm purchases and the 4473s. If they require my #, then I require that my business go elsewhere. I can't WAIT to burn my internal passport on the Capitol Steps, just like the draft dodging hippies did in the 1960s. A Republican president and Dick Gephardt are agreeing on this fool measure, something which will create a booming market for counterfeiters and give the US KGB (whoops- Homeland Security types) even more work to do. And of course, they'll need more funding- which will come from you and me... "More tax money is needed for our more secure society, comrades- work harder with Stakhanovite zeal, pay more- security is freedom, war is peace, and- we're doing it for the chiiiiildren!" As Dostoevsky's Grand Inquisitor asked, "Do you want bread (meaning security) or freedom?" Guess we like being serfs, eh? Serf's up!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 7:23:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CPL_Punishment: If i'm issued a United States of America membership card i'll gladly place it in my wallet next to my NRA card.
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And soon enough, you'll have a "Citizen of the World" ID card to place next to your USA card, and NRA card. BTW- did we mention that in order to make things easier we're going to implant it under your skin? We can debit your account, easier this way, and track your buying and selling habits to better facilitate our advertising and marketing. We want you to be a happy consumer. Also if you want medical benifits, you'll have to have it. Sorry, it's for the betterment of mankind, and it prevents any "undesirables" from gaining access to the "privileges" of a enlightened society. Sleep tight. _ FS
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 7:43:15 PM EDT
from he article: The ID card plan was included in a classified briefing outlining steps the nation can take to limit exposure to terror attacks.
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Will the card shield me from a bullet, fallout, chemicals, biologicals or blast debris. Nope. Will it track my purchases, travel and activities. Yup. And as a result can it reference and use my data to put me in the 'company' of others at a bar, a store, a theater or gathering. Damn right. This is a bad idea.
Just as House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt [D-MO] says Congress should quickly move to open debate on security measures such as a national ID card. "We are in a new world," Gephardt said. "This event will change the balance between freedom and security."
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This is our greatest enemy. Zaz
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 7:49:43 PM EDT
CPL_Punishment, The Hijacker had [b]ALL the Proper ID's,[/b] even some forge ID's, they were still allowed on the plane. Just how will a National ID-card/chip going to stop someone from crashing a plane in the World Trade Center. It like Gun registration, It will NOT stop the Killing, and is just an EXCUSE for Confiscation and DIS-Armament. Are you just for FEEL Good Ideas, or For Liberty and Freedom. Sleep tight In Your [b]Ignorant BLISS.[/b] ^ [size=1]Allege handgun control master plan for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament.[/size=1][url]www.RKBA.org/antis/hci-master[/url] [size=1]Revelation 13:18[/size=1][url]http://www.digitalangel.net/da/tech.htm[/url] [b]Never Again, Never Forget Seek the Truth Liberate Your Mind FIXED BAYONETS[/b] VX
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 8:34:39 PM EDT
Back to the top on this one.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 9:42:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CPL_Punishment:
Originally Posted By Full_Spectrum: Sleep tight.
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I will.
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You seem happy and comfortable where you are at in life, willing to accept what will provide you with further comfort. You've been brainwashed. _ FS
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 10:17:10 PM EDT
If you don't accept a NIDC then the flag waiving sheeple will say you must have something criminal to hide and are no better than terrorists. Guess what is next after the card? A CASHLESS SOCIETY. All of the idiot trekkies would just love being able to use credits to buy crap. That is when the govt will be able to profile you by your purchases and prevent you from buying things you want. For example: Goatboy has been tracked as buying 5000 rounds of 5.56. His credit account is flagged and no more firearms related purchases can be made until he gets a visit from the ATF to make sure he isn't doing anything bad.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 10:23:58 PM EDT
This stuff is starting to get scarry! People I feel we are getting very close to the end!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 10:27:22 PM EDT
SO NOW YOU PEOPLE START TO FIGURE IT OUT????? The government is NOT AND WILL NEVER BE OUR FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! themao [chainsawkill]
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 11:25:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 12:51:54 AM EDT
I'm certain that 'free blacks' or slaves who had been freed or had purchased their freedom during the existence of America's 'peculiar institution' were very careful to keep their paperwork in order and with them at all times! Who knows when some sheriff might require the immediate presentation of those documents when traveling? Maybe an overnight stay in his facilities while these 'freedom documents' were verified by the appropriate authorities? Well, the peculiar institution was destroyed by a war and an amendment, but it appears that new moves are underway to reinstitute an even more peculiar institution in this country. [b]Except the Lord keepeth a City, the Watchman waketh but in vain[/b]. [i]Psalms[/i] 127:1 Eric The(Watchman)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 3:28:16 AM EDT
CPL_Punishment- We've danced around this issue of this being more than just a driver's license or ID. Gephardt specifically said we need to know where people are and that these ID's should be "smart cards." I wear a badge at work to access secure areas, I carry a driver's license which must be presented upon request, I carry a Social Security card with a number that identifies me. None of these track my whereabouts at all times. I think THAT'S the big difference. A Federal Driver's license? I agree - that in itself doesn't sound too invasive. I would have the same problem if they made my driver's license a "smart card," though. I would start carrying a photocopy.... Black Fox
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 3:52:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 3:58:22 AM EDT
If Revelation is in the works, right now, there's nothing you can do to stop it. No Libertarian protests will stop It. Destiny calls, gentlemen.
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 4:19:52 AM EDT
Post from Waldo -
(Remember when Ronnie Rayguns tried it)?
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No, I don't remember when President Reagan tried it. Please enlighten me. Eric The('Rayguns'?SuchImpertinence!)Hun
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 5:27:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2001 5:29:06 AM EDT by MG_ME]
The 666 is on eather the forehead or the right hand! eather way we are heading for the [b]SO CALLED NEW WORLD ORDER![/b] so watch out. this will not stop terrorism the guys envoled in terrorism were never criminals to begin with so they could get a ID card and still get what they set out to do.
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 5:32:32 AM EDT
That's a definite [b]"NEGATIVE"[/b]!!! I REFUSE to take the mark of the beast. Although I believe "The ID CARD" would not be the mark as spoken in the book of revelations, it is DEFINITELY a precursor to such. I believe the same is true of the Euro dollar. Eventually we'll have a one world denomination currency... IF you're a Christian, The Good News is... "Bring it on Baby"! I delight as the book of revelation and prophecy unfold right before my eyes! Know why? It means I'm gettin' out of here that much sooner when the Lord returns for the 2nd time to claim his flock in the rapture. Mark
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 5:35:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 5:36:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kramrd: That's a definite [b]"NEGATIVE"[/b]!!! I REFUSE to take the mark of the beast. Although I believe "The ID CARD" would not be the mark as spoken in the book of revelations, it is DEFINITELY a precursor to such. I believe the same is true of the Euro dollar. Eventually we'll have a one world denomination currency... IF you're a Christian, The Good News is... "Bring it on Baby"! I delight as the book of revelation and prophecy unfold right before my eyes! Know why? It means I'm gettin' out of here that much sooner when the Lord returns for the 2nd time to claim his flock in the rapture. Mark
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Amen to that. sooner the better!
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 5:42:20 AM EDT
I'll be carrying all 3 of my National ID Cards with me... [b]LEGP #0, #3 and #4[/b] Any questions..?
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 7:35:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Waldo: You know what really gets my ass twitching? It's always a Republican President that trys this. (Remember when Ronnie Rayguns tried it)?
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I remember when Reagan was contemplating the NIDC.
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 8:09:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2001 9:00:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2001 9:00:14 AM EDT by GodBlessTexas]
The only National ID I will ever carry is a Federal Concealed Carry License, and it sure as shit better not be a smart card. Sorry guys, but I've implemented systems similar to this for the Fortune 100 company I used to work for. They could get so granular as to tell you who went to what bathroom when you were in their buliding with an ID card. All the access control and surveilance equipment was tied together. One thing most people don't realize is that most of those ID badges are smart cards. Taking what they and other companies have implemented to a larger scale inside society and adding the ability to track purchases it would not be hard to track even the most benign of us. We already have cameras and face recognition software looking for "criminals" in Florida. We've already seen US prisons implementing a credit system where you remove cash money from the inmates and they only have credits off a debit card so as to remove the ability of the inmates to buy contraband from other inmates. Now all they need to do is remove the need for actual currency, which most of us city folks are used to with our ATM/Credit combo cards. Oracle has already said they'll provide the relational database software and expertise to store all the records. All the pieces of tracking each and every individual person are there. How long until these concepts are applied to te population? The technology and precendents already exist. It is only a matter of time before it's done for our own "safety." God Bless Texas
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