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Posted: 9/22/2001 7:40:23 PM EDT
FAA Plans to Disarm Flight Crews By Jeff Johnson CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief September 20, 2001 (Editor's note: Adds quotations from pilots) (CNSNews.com) - A new Federal Aviation Regulation would take away the right of pilots, co-pilots, and navigators to carry firearms and other weapons for self-defense. Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Paul Takemoto acknowledged Thursday that flight crews have been authorized to carry firearms for the past 20 years. "That will change on November 14," he said. "The new rule will not include authorization (to carry firearms) and crew members will no longer be allowed to carry arms." Federal Aviation Regulation 108.11 currently allows armed individuals on aircraft, "if the person having the weapon is authorized to have the weapon by the (airline) and the Administrator (of the FAA) and has successfully completed a course of training in the use of firearms acceptable to the Administrator." That federal aviation regulation also establishes the conditions under which law enforcement officers and other government officials may be armed on board aircraft. Takemoto indicated ther would be no changes to those regulations. Takemoto was not aware of whether or not the FAA had ever approved a firearms training course for flight crews, or whether such a request had ever been made. He indicated that the agency was too busy to research the issue in light of the on-going investigation into the hijacking of four passenger jets by terrorists armed with plastic knives and box cutters on September 11. In response to those attacks, the Front Sight Firearms Training Institute in Las Vegas, Nevada, offered weapons training specifically designed for cockpit crews free to any pilot, co-pilot, or navigator, if their employer requests the training. Dr. Ignatius Piazza, founder of Front Sight, was outraged by the FAA's decision. "The FAA, in changing the regulation, and preventing the airlines from arming and training their pilots effectively places the blood on their hands for every (future) terrorist act involving the take-over of a cockpit of an airplane," he said. Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, agreed. "This is simply going to insure, and reassure the terrorists, that they will be the only ones armed. They will break the law, because they're criminals, and they'll be able to repeat exactly what was done," Pratt said. "These people haven't learned a thing," he continued, "and they need to be fired, because anybody who thinks self defense is a bad idea doesn't belong in public service."
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 7:41:06 PM EDT
The FAA's new regulation is also directly at odds with legislation introduced by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) last Friday. House Resolution (HR) 2896 would provide that, "no department or agency of the Federal Government shall prohibit any pilot, copilot, or navigator of an aircraft, or any law enforcement personnel specifically detailed for the protection of that aircraft, from carrying a firearm." Takemoto said the FAA does not comment on pending legislation. Paul believes pilots should be able to defend themselves and their passengers. "My approach to this is to allow an airline to take care of their property just like we allow our chemical plants and our refineries to protect their property," he said. Paul compared the fences and armed guards around such plants to airliners with fortified cockpit doors and an armed crew flight crew Paul expressed astonishment that the terrorists were able to commandeer four airliners without firearms. "They did all that without a gun," he said. "If the pilots had had guns, they could have prevented this." In a letter to the editor of the Wall Street Journal (Friday, Sept. 21), an American Airlines captain agreed that "hardened cockpit doors and armed pilots could have prevented all four of those hijackings." Captain Brad Rohdenburg suggested making some of the pilots sky marshals. "How much more cost-effective could a security program be?" he asked. "At the very least, let us carry pocket knives again. As Benjamin Franklin said, 'If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you.'"
Link Posted: 9/22/2001 11:21:09 PM EDT
I have heard reports that some pilots are telling the passengers that the cockpit will remain inaccessible at all times. They are essentially telling the passengers that they are responsible for the safety of the aircraft. I just see this as a liability issue (not a safety issue) for the airlines. If something goes bad on the flight they airline will blame it on the actions of the passengers.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 1:41:53 AM EDT
Sometimes I think the only smart people in the country live in Texas. Good for Ron Paul!
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 2:43:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: Good for Ron Paul!
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Yep. Thank God we have ONE Libertarian in Congress. . . . Just imagine how much nicer it would be if he had other Libertarians in there to vote for his legislation too. (Ron Paul was the 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate.)
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 3:03:48 AM EDT
I would agree as long as he's not for the "free and open border" deal. Everything I've heard the man say I've agreed with, but I don't know his entire platform.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:23:37 AM EDT
Brilliant move [whacko] Totally disarm the crew and passengers, turning them into defenseless lambs being led to the slaughter. They should have attached an amendment to the 15 billion airline assistance bill signed yesterday REQUIRING crew to be trained and armed.
Link Posted: 9/23/2001 5:36:56 AM EDT
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Yep. Thank God we have ONE Libertarian in Congress. . . .
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Yes, but he's actually a libertarian Republican, same as me! He decided to become a Republican, 'cause he knew that this was the only way to win public office! I only hope that more Libertarian Party folks come on over to OUR Republican Party and make it [u]the[/u] Party for libertarians and constitutionalists to belong to nowadays! You can even call it the 'Libertarian-Republican' Party, for all I care! Eric The(GetRightOrBeLeft)Hun[>]:)]
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