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Posted: 12/20/2006 1:50:59 AM EDT
Watched it last night. WOW, What a wild thing to do. There are something like 200 bodies up there and nobody can get them down. They showed frozen bodies lying there that climbers have to walk past. The altitude really amazed me. I hadn't remembered how high Mt Everest was. 29,035 Ft.
 That is wild to think that looking up at airliners and they are just a little higher than Mt. Everest. There was a guy dieing lying there where people were walking by and there is absolutely nothing they can do to save him.  That was really creepy. It really upset one guy and another sherpa tried to help him but they all had to just leave him to die. He died that night. They where saying it would take something like 60 people to try to rescue the guy. On a positve note, How great would that be to stand at the top of the highest place on earth. Go easy flamers, I know the Mt. Hood climbers are fresh in the news. Let's leave them to the other thread.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 2:56:04 AM EDT
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totally amazing show!!@
i found it this weekend and i'm playing catch up, i've got 5 episodes d/l'd and it sounds like you described the sixth ... i'll watch the whole series this weekend ... but its a sick and twisted idea ... and this show just makes me want to climb it. 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:17:17 AM EDT
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been watching it here and there, last night was the last episode. I wouldn't risk losing my fingers, toes, or feet to climbing Everest, I'm attached to them, or they're attached to me. Even Stumpy lost another 1" of his stumps.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:26:37 AM EDT
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+1 fuck frost bite.... didn't seem to bother those hard core fuckers... |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:33:06 AM EDT
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I watched all of the episodes back-to-back last Sunday and was hooked...I couldn't wait for the final episode last night.
Unfortunately, I was zonked from a day of caving and went to bed early. But I did Tivo it so I can watch it tonight. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 4:42:05 AM EDT
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It was an awsome show, the views were amazing. The hell I would ever do that though.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:01:26 AM EDT
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Travel hundreds maybe thousands of miles to climb a mountain and on the way up it look at all the dead that failed in their attempt. Sounds like loads of fun.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:19:20 AM EDT
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Yeah..it's frikking expensive to climb it, too. It's not like you wake up one day and say "I wanna climb a mountain". The process is wicked involved. I had a client that was going to climb it, and the closest airport is Kathmandu. Minimum cost to climb is 25,000 dollars, with 10,000 of that in visas and permits alone, and that's not including tavel costs.
It's crazy, MAN! I'll stick with the mountains here. In the SUMMER! |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:24:24 AM EDT
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They've turned Mt Everst into a tourist attraction.
Those sherpas are some tough guys. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:25:59 AM EDT
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Holy poop on a stick! I have never seen so many damn commercials in a one hour show before.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:26:39 AM EDT
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As a kid I always enjoyed the adventures of mountain climbers. I always thought I wanted to climb Everest.
But there aren't too many hills to practice on growing up in Nebr.  So I never got into it. Just as well. I would love to have seen the shows your talking about. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:32:51 AM EDT
[#11]
outside.away.com/outside/destinations/199609/199609_into_thin_air_1.html
Read this account. It's an amazing and horrifiying account of that same incident. A lot of people died on the mountain that year. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:49:43 AM EDT
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Anyone who reads "Into thin air" by Krackhour need to also read the true story of the disaster. David Breshears was ahead of the party that included Krackhour and was filming for Imax. He chose to back off the mountain, and was able to rescue a dentist from Texas that Krackhour had given up for dead.
Breshears book is in the library, along with the story written by the Russian guide who was so deliberatly maligned by Krackhour. They will give you a true perspective of what transpired there. I wish I had the review written by Galen Rowell in the Wall Street Journal which deals with the discrepancies between the stories. Hard to believe that Krqachour can even show his face in public. I hear he's writing expose's on polygamist cult-leaders now. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:52:17 AM EDT
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Ya know there's too many people on the planet when there's traffic jams on Mt. Everest.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:58:18 AM EDT
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man that series was good, no way would I risk death, loss of body parts for it. I am happy to sit at home and watch someone else risk life and limb.
oh and the sherpas are men of steel. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:59:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2006 6:00:23 AM EDT
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I haven't seen the series but I read "Into Thin Air" by Jon Krakauer. I literally couldn't put it down.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 6:03:24 AM EDT
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Walking past dying people is just plain WRONG.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 6:07:47 AM EDT
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Do yourself a favor now and get David Breshear's book. It's not fiction. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 6:17:24 AM EDT
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They made a comment how a South Korean team went to retrieve a body. It took them something like 9 hours to move the body a 100 yards. They ended up leaving the body there. You take the risk you have to accept the consequences. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:07:24 AM EDT
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I got to meet Sir Edmund Hillary when I was a kid and was always fascinated with what it took to climb Everest.
Unfortunately, seeing hordes of people on the summit has turned me off to the adventure aspect of it. 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:15:02 AM EDT
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Please forgive my ignorance, for I am not a mountain climber. But how come it took so long just to move a body? Can't they just hoist the body down using rope or something? Again, please don't yell at me. I know nothing about mountain climbing. Hell, I can't even climb on top of a stool without getting dizzy. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:29:15 AM EDT
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Maybe on a moral level, but morals and self survival often don't see eye to eye in llife and death situations. You forget the fact that at 28,000+ feet, you are literally dying from the lack of oxygen and sub-zero freezing temps. It took most of the climbers that reached the summit more than 10 hours of hard climbing to go 1,000 vertical feet up from the last "camp" at 28K feet, somtimes walking foot over foot on an 8" wide, 45 degree angle rock face. It's not an option to stop, spend time tying ropes and making a sled to drag a dead climber's body down the mountain (wich is all subjective BTW: "down the mountain" is a series of stopping points called "camps" and you'd need to climb down 8 THOUSAND vertical feet to make it back to Advanced Base Camp at 21,000 feet, and even then, choppers can't reach that high). Those two hundred dead folks (and the dying gentlemen in the show) might as well have been littering the deepest part of deepest ocean. They are that far from rescue, and just as unlikely to be rescued. They have to be left where they died due to danger and cost for body retrieval. Sending 20 men to drag ONE dead body off the mountain is crazy. What would it take to police up all 200? Trying to do body recovery when you are fighting to stay alive yourself more than 5 vertical miles in the air is suicide. I think it serves as an important visual reminder to climbers who get "summit fever" like that dolt Tim. You f-up on Everest at those heights, and in minutes you can be dead or dying on the side of the trail and there's not a damn thing anyone (climbers and sherpas) can do for you... Are you prepared to DIE for your ultimate thrill? |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:40:59 AM EDT
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It's only a matter of time before the peak of Mt Everest will be unreachable without a pressure suit. The Himalayas are growing at a rate of about 2.4" per year.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 7:42:01 AM EDT
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That's right keep adding to the "I am not responsible for my own actions" mentality. He new what he was getting into when he stepped foot one on the mountain, and he alone should pay the price for his mistakes. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:10:07 AM EDT
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since I missed a couple episodes, what happened to the dude with asthma that was on the team that was going to climb it without oxygen?
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:14:46 AM EDT
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I've done about that altitude without oxygen before (in an altitude chamber). I was goofy in less than a minute. And that was just sitting there. I can't fathom actually haveing to work up there. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:15:36 AM EDT
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I'm beginning to regret having missed it.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:18:04 AM EDT
[#28]
People featured in the series paid $40,000 apiece. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:18:24 AM EDT
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Mogens didnt make it up. He turned around at like 28,000 feet. Then he tried after everybody left and had to turn around at 26,000 ft
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Posted: 12/20/2006 9:23:03 AM EDT
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I believe they are showing them all Sunday.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:28:22 AM EDT
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You have to understand there is a reason it's called the "death zone". You and you alone are responsible for your survival, rescue is just not physically possible in most cases. Once you grasp the concept of "its a monumental struggle to stand and walk" then maybe you can understand why you have to leave someone - if you tried to rescue them, you'd die too. It's a personal race for survival to (try) to get to the top and then back down to a survivable altitude. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:30:28 AM EDT
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It is still morally wrong. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:34:32 AM EDT
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Watch the show if you can. They have to hook and unhook to the ropes every few feet. The path is about 12" wide, one wrong step you slide down 10,000 feet. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:40:15 AM EDT
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And is all a function of wealth. It cost $60,000 to $100,000 just to climb Everest. So as people become more wealthy the more that will climb, as there are those who make a living at escorting the wealthy to places most average people can't afford to go. My luck would be standing behind some millionare who never climbed a latter in his life, waiting to get up.... |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 10:53:08 AM EDT
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as we all know wealth does not equal brains 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:01:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:02:15 AM EDT
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Don't go, then. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:20:22 AM EDT
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Well get your butt up there and save them. How many died up there, what did you do to help? Do you even try to save the dieing around you. There are people dieing everywhere, what do you do to save them?
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:31:13 AM EDT
[#39]
What a great series. The sherpas are inhuman! The only way this mammal will ever see the top of Everest is from the window seat of a 727 though
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:31:33 AM EDT
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at skydive dallas there is a large mirror in the hangar, which is used for last-minute gear checks before boarding the airplane. on that mirror, there is a sticker that reads: "you are looking at the person responsible for your safety" it's a shame that more people can't grasp this simple concept. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:35:44 AM EDT
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That's my life goal.
Someday, I might just get lucky enough to try. 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:40:14 AM EDT
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If you watched the show, Mr. Morality, a couple guys did try and help. They tried turning his oxygen on, and one guy even provided some of his own oxygen. What were they supposed to do? Kill themselves to try and save him? |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:46:28 AM EDT
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How is it morally wrong if it is inhumanly possible to rescue them. Its so friggin high in the air a helicopter can't reach them. Except for 2 weeks out of the year, the wind gusts at 100 plus miles per hour and the temperature is -20 (not the windchill). Until we get robots up there, there's not much choice.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:49:17 AM EDT
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You really have no concept of what 28,000 feet means. An airplane that depressurizes at that altitude requires an emergency decent to below 15,000 within 4 minutes. Run around a little at 14,000 feet and you will begin to understand. Read "Into thin air" in the link I posted. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:58:43 AM EDT
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It is still morally wrong 
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Posted: 12/20/2006 12:12:31 PM EDT
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www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/everest/exposure/epilogue.html Here is another good read. If anyone can find the entire book, High Exposure, please post it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2006 12:13:30 PM EDT
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Apparently some here fail to grasp there is a difference between me 12,000 miles away(and separated by months in time) and the people RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THEN making no attempt to save them. I have yet to walk right past someone who was dying. This whole "they knew it was dangersous, therefore I have no obligation to help them" is simply a moral cop out. Deep inside, you know it too. The reason the climbers did not help was not because they feared the attempt MIGHT kill them, but because they knew a rescue attempt WOULD mean an end to their chance at the summit.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 12:24:20 PM EDT
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If one has the ability at the time to make a worthwhile life-saving effort that has a reasonable chance of good outcome with minimal risk to the rescuer, that's one situation.
If you are in danger of dying yourself and the rescue is obviously beyond your means to accomplish successfully and/or safely, the situation is dramatically different. I've watched people die because there was clearly no way I could save them at the time. This is in an operating room with staff and equipment at my beck and call. These resources aren't available while summiting a mountain, and the level of injury I could treat would be much less. Ethically, at least in medical terms, you are not required to undertake heroic measures if it is clear that they will not be successful. This isn't a small mountain in the Rockies that can have helicopter pickups. At that altitude, temperature, and technical rock, rescue becomes almost always impossible. I'm a doctor, and still couldn't save someone beyond saving at that point. Clear and present danger to rescuers must be weighed in the risk/benefit decision. To suggest that I should sacrifice myself in a futile attempt to save someone who is clearly dying is morally dishonest. To undertake such a task would prevent me from being able to save others in the future. For some interesting reading about some of this stuff, check out Hamish MacInnes' book "The Mammoth Book of Mountain Disasters." ...and mrs sleepdr thinks I'm way too interested in the show. She thinks I'm tempted to try Everest, just because I keep fiddling with climbing gear while watching.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 12:27:41 PM EDT
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So, they had enough energy too attempt the summit, but a rescue attempt would have killed them. Gotcha.I was not aware that when one climed Everest one suddenly entered the Hobbesian world.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 12:29:55 PM EDT
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You simply have no clue what you're talking about. It takes just as much energy to come down as it does to go up. They have absolutely no way of saving the guy. None. End of story. |
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